Mucus-Clear for Phlegm, Mucus & Throat Congestion

Here are a couple of examples of testing proving that a homeopathic remedy does contain a substance and what that substance actually is.

In 1948 Wormser and Loch tested several substances from 24X to 30X. They used a photo-electric cell to measure the intensity and wave length of these potencies and found measurable changes of both intensity and wave length in these substances.

In the years 1951-3 Gay and Boiron tested both distilled water and Natrum muriaticum in the 27C potency for their dielectric constant (far beyond Avogardo). They were able to show that the potency of Nat. mur. could be easily selected from among 99 control bottles.

"What I can say now is that the high dilutions are right. High dilutions of something are not nothing. They are water structures which mimic the original molecules."

Luc Montagnier
Co-founder of HIV
2008 Nobel Prize Winner
Founder and President, World Foundation for AIDS Research and Prevention

www.thehomeopath.org.uk/...

Mark wrote:

There have been recorded cases of spontaneous regression of nasal polyps:
http://docs.google.com/viewer...

Don't get what an advertisement for Google Docs has to do with polyps or homeopathy.

C Redd wrote:

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Don't get what an advertisement for Google Docs has to do with polyps or homeopathy.

CRedd-ulous I know you have problems posting working links. This one takes you to the cited document.

Have you ever studied mathematics? When you take a test you are expected to show all the steps when answering questions. If you just write down the answer you fail.

So it is with homeopathy. Even if they found a single molecule what are the steps to it becoming a usable medicine??? The tests you cite have been debunked by the fact that they have not been independently verified. This is a basic foundation of science - that a test can be repeated by independent labs. If it cannot be repeated then the original test was wrong.

Luc Montagnier got his nobel prize for credible research - not homeopathy. Unfortunately he know thinks his nutty ideas (which he most likely kept quite about) are also credible:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/11/luc...

"Now it looks as though there's another Nobel crank out there, and he's an autism crank now. This time around, the Nobel Laureate who's descending into pseudoscience is French virologist Luc Montagnier, who shared the Nobel Prize for his discovery of the human immunodeficiency with Harald zur Hausen, who discovered the link between the human papilloma virus and cervical cancer. First, earlier this summer, Montagnier appeared to endorse homeopathy:

French virologist Luc Montagnier stunned his colleagues at a prestigious international conference when he presented a new method for detecting viral infections that bore close parallels to the basic tenets of homeopathy.
Although fellow Nobel prize winners -- who view homeopathy as quackery -- were left openly shaking their heads, Montagnier's comments were rapidly embraced by homeopaths eager for greater credibility.

Montagnier told the conference last week that solutions containing the DNA of pathogenic bacteria and viruses, including HIV, "could emit low frequency radio waves" that induced surrounding water molecules to become arranged into "nanostructures". These water molecules, he said, could also emit radio waves

He suggested water could retain such properties even after the original solutions were massively diluted, to the point where the original DNA had effectively vanished. In this way, he suggested, water could retain the "memory" of substances with which it had been in contact -- and doctors could use the emissions to detect disease.

Montagnier may not beat Tinbergen's record for shortest time to descend into pseudoscience after winning the Nobel Prize, but he's definitely in contention. He only won the Nobel Prize in 2008, and it only took him two years to endorse homepathy-like concepts. He's also made a name for himself, such as it is, by appearing in the HIV/AIDS denialist film House of Numbers stating that HIV can be cleared naturally through nutrition and supplements.

Meanwhile, patented a device to detect these fantastical radiowaves allegedly emitted by bacterial and viral DNA in water. This he did after publishing a paper in a journal that for which himelf is the editor after a mere three days between submission and acceptance, which prompted Le Canard Noir to nominate him for an Ignobel Prize last year. From there it only took Montagnier a few months more to turn his eye to applying that "knowledge" to autism, as I discovered from Gimpy, Anthony Cox. Unfortunately, the pseudoscience that Montagnier appears to have embraced with respect to autism is combined with a highly unethical study in a manner that would put Andrew Wakefield to shame."

Well, Mark....

You claim there are spontaneous remissions of "nasal polyps" and that nailer62's success with homeopathy in getting rid of his nasal polyps actually results from remission. You post the google docs link as proof.

My third look at this link brought up a paper on rhinosporidiosis -- not nasal polyps!

nailer62 specifically stated that he suffered from nasal polyps treated conventionally with either steroids or surgery. Please note that nailer62 is from Vermont (a state in the top northeast section of the U.S. known as New England). Vermont is a very cold and snowy place for five months of the year, conditions conducive to sinus/nasal problems.

The vast majority of rhinosporidiosis cases occur in people living in Sri Lanka. It's caused by an acquatic parasite that lives in the water in Sri Lanka. The parasite attaches itself when people swim and causes an infection of the mucous membranes.

Nasal polyps result from chronic inflammation not a parasite.

nailer62 got rid of his polyps with HOMEOPATHY--a treatment which is successful in just this condition, among many others.

CRedd-ulous - I was responding to the statement:

"Nasal polyps will not receed on their own.
They will not mysterically disappear on their own."

Clearly there are cases where they have disappeared on their own. For any common non-genetic disease there will always be a few cases which disappear on their own. Actually they disappear because that individuals immune system has taken care of the problem.

Mark wrote:

CRedd-ulous - I was responding to the statement:
"Nasal polyps will not receed on their own.
They will not mysterically disappear on their own."
Clearly there are cases where they have disappeared on their own. For any common non-genetic disease there will always be a few cases which disappear on their own. Actually they disappear because that individuals immune system has taken care of the problem.

YOU STATE:

"Actually they disappear because that individuals immune system has taken care of the problem."

Thank you very much !!!

Homeopathy cures BY STIMULATING THE IMMUNE SYSTEM TO HEAL THE BODY NATURALLY !!!

Can't post a reference that states nasal polyps caused by inflammation (NOT rhinospidorosis)are subject to spontaneous remission or that they are self-limiting?

It would be quite a coincidence if nailer62's polyps regressed spontaneously at exactly the same time he took the homeopathic, wouldn't it? If they did, we could certainly say that homeopathy causes spontaneous remission of disease. Can conventional medicine achieve that?

We all feel for you, Mark. It must be terribly deflating to be shown up, disproven and confounded by everyone(*) who posts here (with the exception, of course, of fellow "skeptics" shell and Nuggin).(*)A few I can name off hand are Dr. Kestner, Dr. Malik, IKZ, Iqbal, nailer62 and CRedd.

But not to worry, as is true for almost every other ill of man or beast, homeopathy has a remedy for this ill.......wounded ego.

C Redd wrote:

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Homeopathy cures BY STIMULATING THE IMMUNE SYSTEM TO HEAL THE BODY NATURALLY !!!

If you had the slightest idea what you are talking about you would realise that the statement above is crap.

The immune system responds to pathogens by creating antibodies. You have made a testable statement - test peoples blood for the antibodies for a disease, give them homeopathic vaccines for that disease and test their blood again for new antibodies. No new antibodies will be found with a homeopathic vaccine as the body would only create antibodies to the active ingredient, not the disease (if it contain any active ingredients which it doesn't).

CRedd-ulous, in Australia we have a saying for people like you - You suffer from verbal diarrhea.

Here is a short but comprehensive explanation of the immune system: http://moremark.squarespace.com/quackcast-lis...

C Redd wrote:

We all feel for you, Mark. It must be terribly deflating to be shown up, disproven and confounded by everyone(*) who posts here (with the exception, of course, of fellow "skeptics" shell and Nuggin).(*)A few I can name off hand are Dr. Kestner, Dr. Malik, IKZ, Iqbal, nailer62 and CRedd.
But not to worry, as is true for almost every other ill of man or beast, homeopathy has a remedy for this ill.......wounded ego.

The only deflating thing is the number of stupid people like you who post here. I have shown every single one of your "homeopathic trials" to have negative results or be fraudulent. I have shown that neither you, Malik and Iqbal have the slightest idea about physics or medicine. And you have proven to all that you are in the pocket of Dana Ullman or some other homeopathy quack.

The only positive is that if there is ever another global pandemic that you and all your fellow homeopaths will most likely die thus improving overall herd immunity.

[quote]It would be quite a coincidence if nailer62's polyps regressed spontaneously at exactly the same time he took the homeopathic,[/quote]

I try to keep an open mind that anything is possible.
I have heard of spontaneous human combustion as well,(supposedly there are documented cases),but the skeptic in me believes that doesn't/can't happen.
But who knows for sure?

By no means at all,this is not the first time I have had polyps.
Sure,I have had polyps before,and I have used steroids for them,(oral prednisone,nasal spray prednisone),and granted these steroids do work quickly.
Although the relief the steroids provide are always VERY temporary.

Each time,I would let it drag on for quite some time,sometimes several monthes, before I went to a ENT to get the steroids presciption.
I really don't want to keep using these steroids.
I would always wait until the polyps became embarrasing because people could now see it pretruding from my nose before I went to the ENT.
Never have the polyps just receeded on their own,I sure wish they would have.

This time I tried the homeopathic method instead of steroids and it also worked.
A coincidence?
I think not.
If the polyps did coincidentely receed on their own,this time was the first time they ever did.
But like I said,anything is possible and I try to keep an open mind.
I am just glad the polyp went away and at this point I don't care why.

When or if they come back again,I will certainly try the homeopathic method again.

you are all literally retarded

Debby Bruck wrote:

I wonder how one distinguishes what is "impressive" or not impressive. This is totally a judgment call of a simple name.
Homeopaths use the designated Latin terms as common names, just as we call calendula the remedy for skin healing, which derives from the marigold plant.[European marigold was calendula which derives from the Latin word calendae]
Using a particular nomenclature is not "impressive" unless someone personally feels easily 'impressed". So, that's pretty cool that you are impressed by the homeopathic names of remedies. I will keep that in mind.

The terms "kali Mur" and others are NOT Latin names and are not "simple names." These terms would appear to be invented to conceal their very ordinary ingredients, such as table salt.

That is why one reader is not impressed by this attempt to fool the public.

nancy wrote:

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The terms "kali Mur" and others are NOT Latin names and are not "simple names." These terms would appear to be invented to conceal their very ordinary ingredients, such as table salt.
That is why one reader is not impressed by this attempt to fool the public.

The correct name is Kalium Muraticum. Common salt is Natrum Muraticum.