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A story about vaccine damage in Malaysia.

McCarth Vader wrote:

A story about vaccine damage in Malaysia.

The word vaccine doesn't appear any where in that entire article. Silly little sock puppet needs to learn to read.

How is Winnipeg this time of year, lovely I'm sure?

Shell wrote:

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The word vaccine doesn't appear any where in that entire article. Silly little sock puppet needs to learn to read.
How is Winnipeg this time of year, lovely I'm sure?

Its automatic. You can't separate autism spectrum from their cause. Its called reading between the lines, which I do well. Its called filling in the blanks. Its called not falling for the B.S. Its called truth, and reality. Thanks for the visit E.T., time to go home.

McCarth Vader wrote:

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Its automatic. You can't separate autism spectrum from their cause. Its called reading between the lines, which I do well. Its called filling in the blanks. Its called not falling for the B.S. Its called truth, and reality. Thanks for the visit E.T., time to go home.

It's called making stuff up.

It's called telling lies.

It's called living in a fantasy world.

It's called spewing BS.

It's called paranoid raging.

It's called making an arse of yourself.

McCarth Vader wrote:

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Its automatic. You can't separate autism spectrum from their cause. Its called reading between the lines, which I do well. Its called filling in the blanks. Its called not falling for the B.S. Its called truth, and reality. Thanks for the visit E.T., time to go home.

Are you saying that autism did not exist before vaccines???

Shell wrote:

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It's called making stuff up.
It's called telling lies.
It's called living in a fantasy world.
It's called spewing BS.
It's called paranoid raging.
It's called making an arse of yourself.

Its called contributing nothing. Its called being a bitch, its called being a Troll. Its called get a life.

McCarth Vader wrote:

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Its automatic. You can't separate autism spectrum from their cause. Its called reading between the lines, which I do well. Its called filling in the blanks. Its called not falling for the B.S. Its called truth, and reality. Thanks for the visit E.T., time to go home.

Its called pulling crap out your ar*e.

Association does not prove causation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does...

"Correlation does not imply causation" (related to "ignoring a common cause" and questionable cause) is a phrase used in science and statistics to emphasize that correlation between two variables does not automatically imply that one causes the other (though correlation is necessary for linear causation in the absence of any third and countervailing causative variable, and can indicate possible causes or areas for further investigation; in other words, correlation can be a hint).

The opposite belief, correlation proves causation, is a logical fallacy by which two events that occur together are claimed to have a cause-and-effect relationship. The fallacy is also known as cum hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin for "with this, therefore because of this") and false cause. By contrast, the fallacy post hoc ergo propter hoc requires that one event occur before the other and so may be considered a type of cum hoc fallacy.

Mark, like others on here, you try to jam too much information into your head, and you're overwhelming your brain cell. People who say correlation does not prove causation are lawyers who work for Pharma. I'm not interested in your latin or your fallacy argument. I also did not say autism didn't exist before vaccines. If you expand your mind a little and think about human history and heavy metal damage, many comparisons can be made. We have removed lead and mercury from gasoline. We removed lead from paint. We have begun to understand that these metals are dangerous and damaging. Then geniuses put mercury and aluminum in injectables, real smart. I guess you'd call the result a correlation, possibly a coincidence. Denialism isn't scientific proof either, either. But Pharma gets away with statements like that all the time.
Classic autism and regressive autism are different. Regressive being associated with vaccines. Classical wasn't. But we at one time cooked in crude metal and clay pots, or stored water or wine in clay jars, all leaching metals into food. Likewise classical autism has to be connected to something we were doing, but don't ask me why, its an unknown. But we have since switched from one small cause, to a larger one. Irnoring vaccines as a cause is ridiculous, especially given the lack of alternatives that are world wide in nature.

Petrol didn't have mercury in it, lead was in it as a lubricant and to control octane ratings.

Mercury was used in cosmetics and hat making in the 1700s & 1800s (where the saying "mad as hatters" comes from). Lead was used as a colouring agent in foods, especially candy, in the 1800s.

I am not talking about the microscopic amounts found in vaccines but very high levels. Why wasn't there also high levels of autism???

Also if you theory were correct we should have already seen a decline in autism numbers since the removal of thimerosal - we haven't.

You are talking out your as*e.

Mark wrote:

Petrol didn't have mercury in it, lead was in it as a lubricant and to control octane ratings.
Mercury was used in cosmetics and hat making in the 1700s & 1800s (where the saying "mad as hatters" comes from). Lead was used as a colouring agent in foods, especially candy, in the 1800s.
I am not talking about the microscopic amounts found in vaccines but very high levels. Why wasn't there also high levels of autism???
Also if you theory were correct we should have already seen a decline in autism numbers since the removal of thimerosal - we haven't.
You are talking out your as*e.

Mark as you said " correlation does bot imply causetion"
Well I have to ask you why then haven't the CDC and big pharma listen to the million or so parents of late on set autism, It seems to me if almost all of these parents tell the doctor almost the same story, Like my son who was happy , playing with other kids running around talking ,yelling and having fun, then we take him for a "well baby shot" and about two hours after that he has a temp of a 102 and is sick crying, and on and on and with in two days we can watch him regress back into himself.
And if this has all happened to over a million kids then something has to be a connection, and right now all we see is the " well baby shots'
My son got autism back in the early 1980s and there wasn't anybody to talk to about it, there weren't that many people with it and the health dept and CDC wanted to keep track of him and I think they tracked his schooling and what we gave him.
as for autism and the 1800s and early 1900s they were using mercury so heavely back then so many people were getting mercury poisoning and going crazy they were just calling it something and putting them in a hospital and forgetting about them.
As for the Thimerosal, it hasn't been totally removed from all vaccines and there are other heavy metals they have put in the vaccines to try and take its plaace and make them work better,
The study people talk about saying that the rate of autism hasn't gone down so the Thimerosal couldn't have had anything to do with it is being looked at because there may be fraud in that study too, like everybody says about the wakefield study.
We will have to see what happens in the poul Thorsen trial.
Isn't it funny how the mainstream media took the wakefield thing and had it all over the front pages, But a trial that may come out and show that a study is flawed and that it may show that the rate of autism had gone down not up after taking Thimerosal out of vaccines.
As I said we will have to wait and see.
Have a nice night

tbird19482 some diseases occur a particular stages in life. Alzhimers usually starts 50 to 60 years of age. Autism also occurs in a particular age range. It is possible to correlate autism to a variety of things - kids TV programs, diet, pre-school, etc. In most cases the signs of autism are already there but parents don't notice until it becomes full blown.

McCarth Vader wrote:

Mark, like others on here, you try to jam too much information into your head, and you're overwhelming your brain cell. People who say correlation does not prove causation are lawyers who work for Pharma. I'm not interested in your latin or your fallacy argument. I also did not say autism didn't exist before vaccines. If you expand your mind a little and think about human history and heavy metal damage, many comparisons can be made. We have removed lead and mercury from gasoline. We removed lead from paint. We have begun to understand that these metals are dangerous and damaging. Then geniuses put mercury and aluminum in injectables, real smart. I guess you'd call the result a correlation, possibly a coincidence. Denialism isn't scientific proof either, either. But Pharma gets away with statements like that all the time.
Classic autism and regressive autism are different. Regressive being associated with vaccines. Classical wasn't. But we at one time cooked in crude metal and clay pots, or stored water or wine in clay jars, all leaching metals into food. Likewise classical autism has to be connected to something we were doing, but don't ask me why, its an unknown. But we have since switched from one small cause, to a larger one. Irnoring vaccines as a cause is ridiculous, especially given the lack of alternatives that are world wide in nature.

Interesting reading:
http://www.jpands.org/vol9no3/goldman.pdf

Mark wrote:

tbird19482 some diseases occur a particular stages in life. Alzhimers usually starts 50 to 60 years of age. Autism also occurs in a particular age range. It is possible to correlate autism to a variety of things - kids TV programs, diet, pre-school, etc. In most cases the signs of autism are already there but parents don't notice until it becomes full blown.

Check evidence:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00b1z47

Mark wrote:

tbird19482 some diseases occur a particular stages in life. Alzhimers usually starts 50 to 60 years of age. Autism also occurs in a particular age range. It is possible to correlate autism to a variety of things - kids TV programs, diet, pre-school, etc. In most cases the signs of autism are already there but parents don't notice until it becomes full blown.

I think I heard just about the same thing from the uneducated doctors, doctors that admitted they really didn't know much about autism.
" It is just a coincidence"

Well like I said before is it " Just a coincidence" that it has happened to over a million people who came down with autism all just about in the same way , at about the same age and not long after they all got their " well baby shots".
" Just a coincidence" a million times over.
Have a nice day

Mark wrote:

tbird19482 some diseases occur a particular stages in life. Alzhimers usually starts 50 to 60 years of age. Autism also occurs in a particular age range. It is possible to correlate autism to a variety of things - kids TV programs, diet, pre-school, etc. In most cases the signs of autism are already there but parents don't notice until it becomes full blown.

Talk about talking out of your ass. Verbal projectile diarrhea from down under.

Iqbal wrote:

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Interesting reading:
http://www.jpands.org/vol9no3/goldman.pdf

Loved the study. A must read.

tbird19482 wrote:

<quoted text> I think I heard just about the same thing from the uneducated doctors, doctors that admitted they really didn't know much about autism.
" It is just a coincidence"
Well like I said before is it " Just a coincidence" that it has happened to over a million people who came down with autism all just about in the same way , at about the same age and not long after they all got their " well baby shots".
" Just a coincidence" a million times over.
Have a nice day

I'm waiting for some genius to explain why autism is world wide. Talk about genetics, and environment make little sense when its happening in every part of the world to all populations. Certainly we are no more genetically identical than any of the environments are identical. Therefore a common denominator has to be at work. Since there seems to be none other than vaccines, I'm leaning far over that way.

FBOMBER wrote:

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I'm waiting for some genius to explain why autism is world wide. Talk about genetics, and environment make little sense when its happening in every part of the world to all populations. Certainly we are no more genetically identical than any of the environments are identical. Therefore a common denominator has to be at work. Since there seems to be none other than vaccines, I'm leaning far over that way.

If something is genetic it makes perfect sense it would be worldwide as its distribution would be linked to when the mutation occurred in our evolutionary past. The further back it occurred the more widespread it would be.

It does make perfect sense, since world-wide, vaccine use is not the same. For instance that horrible Danish study. Even though they stopped the use of thimerosal years before the USA did, their autism rates didn't drop just as in the USA, the rates never dropped after they stopped it's use. Vaccines also does not explain why more boys than girls. Vaccines would not be gender particular. It would effect all equally if it was solely vaccines.

Mark wrote:

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If something is genetic it makes perfect sense it would be worldwide as its distribution would be linked to when the mutation occurred in our evolutionary past. The further back it occurred the more widespread it would be.

So perfect sense is this crap about evolutionary mutation. Give it up.