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Does Oscillococcinum Work for the Flu?

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C Redd

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Mark wrote:
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Do you know what 0.28 days is??? Around 6 hours. In other words due to a lack of a statisically significant positive result the authors attempted to spin a positive result. 6 hours - is that the best result they could come up with? Most probably because homeopathy is retarded BS.
CRedd-ulous I suggest you read this (although you probably won't because you are closed minded and prefer magical ignorance to actual evidence): http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...
As I've often told you, some time spent learning about the subject you're trying to comment on along with a good course of homeopathic treatment would do wonders for you.
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As I've often told you, some time spent learning about the subject you're trying to comment on along with a good course of homeopathic treatment would do wonders for you.
As is blatantly obvious in these forums you are unable to read medical trials so you keep claiming positive results for complete failures. It is also obvious that Nuggin & I know a lot more about homeopathy than you do.

The extent of your knowledge is cutting and pasting Dana Ullman's BS without any comprehension of what is being written.

Every trial you have posted I have shot down because homeopaths are idiots who cannot do basic science. They have to resort to fraud & lies to get vaguely positive results.

Oscillococcinum reducing flu by 6 hours is unlikely. A reduction of 6 days would have been a good result. What is more likely is a natural variation in illness duration. However the flu vaccination will in the majority of people stop you getting the flu.
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I am a believer in Homeopathic medicine. With that said, I also am NOT going to say something worked when it didn't. Last year, I took Vitamin D (also supposed to help prevent flu). I took about 2000IUs per day. Got H1N1 twice. I was MISERABLE. This year, I have taken 5000IUs per day of Vitamin D. Didn't know about Oscillo until recently. My wife and son both have had flu and been miserable. Bought this for my wife. We are planning a cruise NEXT WEEK and yesterday I woke up miserable. Fever, body aches, lethargic. I took Oscillo, Zinc losenger and also upped my Vitamin D. Took 3 doses of Oscillo. Woke up today and feel great. No fever, no bodyache, no chills or lethargy. I'm sold. Did not help my wife as much but she had flu for 4 days before I got it for her. Oscillo seems to be very similar to TamiFlu, which is VERY expensive. Oscillo is $11. Lots cheaper than the doctor and antibiotics after it developed into strep for my son. I will be armed with this every flu season.
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Feb 21, 2011
 
Mike PF wrote:
I am a believer in Homeopathic medicine. With that said, I also am NOT going to say something worked when it didn't. Last year, I took Vitamin D...(
Vitamin D is only useful in flu prevention if your body is deficient in it. If you have normal levels taking more vitamin D does nothing.
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In France, where Oscillo has been used for more than 65 years, it is the first flu medicine recommended by pharmacists.

I would like to see the evidence of this. Even if it’s true, pharmacists are not doctors. Pharmacies are retail outlets that make money selling stuff (anything). Colds are not otherwise treatable, so why not sell something that at least does no harm.

It has a remarkable record of safety & can be recommended to patients over age 2 & those who are following other treatments or suffering from chronic conditions. Oscillo will not cause drug interactions or side effects.

Of course. Air will also not cause drug interactions, & smiles have remarkable safety records too.

Four clinical studies, including two which have been published in peer-reviewed journals, show that Oscillo reduces the severity & duration of flu-like symptoms such as feeling run down, headache, body aches, chills & fever.

Is that so? Sounds compelling to the layperson, doesn’t it? Let’s take a look at these four “clinical studies”. They provide no information at all about two of them, so we have no idea what these might have consisted of, who performed them, or what the results were. The third (Papp R, Schuback G, Beck E, et al. Oscillococcinum in patients with influenza-like syndromes: a placebo-controlled, double-blind evaluation. Br Homeopath J. 1998;87:69-76) was published in the British Homeopathic Journal. This is a publication dedicated to the promotion of homeopathy; by no conceivable argument can it be considered a scientific journal. It’s essentially a place for the marketers of homeopathic products to send their press releases in order to be able to say that their research is “published”. The fourth study (Ferley JP, Zmirou D, D’Adhemar D, Balducci F. A controlled evaluation of a homeopathic preparation in the treatment of influenza-like syndromes. Br J Clin Pharmacol. 1989;27:329-335) is from the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, a legitimate journal. This study, which is 22 years old, is one of a minority of a few scattered studies that did find a small statistical improvement in symptoms among homeopathy users compared to a control group who took an identical placebo. It concluded “The result cannot be explained given our present state of knowledge, but it calls for further rigorously designed clinical studies.” Well, further rigorous studies of homeopathy have been performed in the intervening decades, dozens of them. Almost all (well-designed trials published in legitimate journals) show no value in homeopathy. There is always noise in the results of trials. You can’t just look at one; you have to look at many. Again, for Boiron to have cherrypicked this one study, & to have neglected to report the many others that contradict their desired result, which they would have had to dig past, shows conscious deception.

As with all Boiron homeopathic medicines, Oscillo complies with a well-established framework of guidelines, regulations, & quality standards enforced by the FDA through routine pharmaceutical manufacturing site inspections & surveillance on marketed products.

If this is true now, it certainly wasn’t as recently as 2009. Look at this warning letter Boiron received from the FDA for FAILING to comply with the law. The warning letter charges them with numerous violations, & shows that they attempted to capitalize on public fear of the H1N1 virus to sell their product, claiming it could treat it. It can’t.

If you’ve purchased Oscillococcum & feel that you were victimized by deceptive marketing, get your money back. This Boiron page will tell you how.
Mark

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The FDA warning letter mentioned in the previous post:

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/W...
Boiron is a FRAUD

Media, PA

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Complete joke of a medicine. Can't believe they are still in business and people buy this crap for so much money. Its sugar people with a little alcohol rubbed on it.Make it yourself
Mister Happy

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Y'know,the scientific explanations of why Oscillococcinum shouldn't work make good sense. Having said that, I have been lucky many times when using it: After taking 3 doses over a 12-hour period, I've staved off what felt like the onset of flu several times. I've also gotten rid of hiccups by dropping a lit match into a glass of water and drinking it without touching the match. Do these things work because I think they will? That's good enough for me....
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Mister Happy wrote:
Y'know,the scientific explanations of why Oscillococcinum shouldn't work make good sense. Having said that, I have been lucky many times when using it: After taking 3 doses over a 12-hour period, I've staved off what felt like the onset of flu several times. I've also gotten rid of hiccups by dropping a lit match into a glass of water and drinking it without touching the match. Do these things work because I think they will? That's good enough for me....
Have you ever thought the flu treatment "worked" because you were not getting the flu?

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