Strokes caused by neck manipulation

Nucca nut, please school student boy on subluxations.

Nucca, you call yourself a "doctor"? MY point, Now follow this...is you claim thast pathetic study proves, ha ha, that you cure high blodd pressure by lightly torquing the neck....yet you will treat any patient with any condition.....regardless of wether you have any other studies or not. Thats called quackery dummy.

Student boy...whats taught in chiro school is SOT, AK, HIO activator and a ton of other bizarre treatments practiced by chiropractors nationwide.

If you don't know this than you truly are an idiot.

But you are, because you defend subluxation trerating nuts like the chiros here.

Coward.

Wisdom, every one of those tequniques that you mentioned are only electives that are offered if a student wishes to take them if they would like to. None of them are part of the school curriculum. Get you shit together before you tell me what is taught in my school. Also, nobody needs to school me about subluxations. You need to be schooled on how to have an intelligent conversation. You can call me any name you want but I am not a coward. How many people have you ever done a thing for besides yourself? Beyond chiropractic I've dedicated 13 years to being a fireman in my community. What have you done?

Oh electives...Ha Ha I see.

I guess quackery is OK if its an elective.

You've made my point.

Now get back to preaching the subluxation nonsense to your friends.

PS I've prevented many people from attending chiro college. Thats what I've done. I've saved them from a lifetime of financial and emotional misery.

You'll have wished I had done the same for you.

You've never saved a damn person in your life, you don't have it in you to help anyone but yourself. You don't actually care about the person who wishes to go to chiro school,. You just try to keep them out because you don't want to watch us getting stronger!

Oh I rarely ever even discuss "subluxations" or use the term for that matter.Also I haven't made any of your points, they're non existent! Poor man, you should get help with this anger problem, it's not good to carry all that hate around with you. Get some soft tissue therapy, and an adjustment, you'll be glad you did.

Yeah, I should get an "adjustment" to rid myself of those fictitious subluxations. Have you started this baloney with your friends and family yet? You're making a fool of yourself.

Now get back to your "elective" quack techniques. Is it AK this week or nucca quackery?

PS...the chiro field is shrinking. But you've been braiwashed to believe otherwise by all those that a have a financial interest in keeping you in.

Get out now. Many have already left. Many are sufferring financial ruin. Get out now.

Or put your head back in the sand.

Quack!

from www.chirotalk.com ...

"Go to Sam Reader's web site and look under Associates Wanted. Read some of the job descriptions. They all talk about outgoing, marketing, sales, etc. One even says no chiro experience necessary but he wants a strong sales background. Can you say "Snake Oil"?'

The comments of this forum should be considered with scrutiny. Chiropractic is a natural apporach to health that addresses the physical body. Continue your research.

Dr Greg Thomas
Chiropractic Louisville
www.chiropracticlouisville.com

WOW!! For someone who uses the name Wisdom you sure do lack some. I work for a N.U.C.C.A Chiropractor in Canada and besides the countless (like probably a higher number than you can count) people that he has helped he is a highly educated and wonderful person. You should look into those characteristics because you lack both. I wonder if you even know what N.U.C.C.A stands for or what it actually is, and I am talking the bio-mechanics of it! Doubt you even know anything about chiropractic besides, and I am taking a wild guess here, what mommy and daddy taught you. Usually when someone is so bent on giving chiropractic a bad name it's usually because A- UNEDUCATED!!! or B: One person had a "bad" experience and now you feel compelled to spread the word like a disease. Any way maybe you should take your head out of your ass for 3 seconds and look at this website, you seem to be able to use the internet minor problems.
http://www.whattimetuesday.com/

I'll defend Wisdom here. He does, at least, know quite a bit about chiropractic.
Beyond this point here and now, he is on his own.
I need to read this thread.

Well I read some of this and had to jump in.

The number of patients seen in the schools by aspiring chiro's is too low.

I and a few others have felt the best thing a student chiro could do is and internship in a real clinic with a real chiropractor who is in real practice and not in a school out patient clinic.

In fact, it would probably be a good idea for them to serve in a real clinic during their first tri-mester.

I think it would be more educational and more realistic. They could learn the whole business and see for them selves all the things they will encounter in practice. It might even steer them clear of a big mistake.

But I doubt the schools will be willing to give up that revenue.

nwtk2007 Chiropractic externship,internship, and PEAK programs have been in place at almost every Chiro College for quite some time now. So have no fear. Todays Chiropractic students are seeing hundreds of patients with an array of chief complaints, performing hundreds of adjustments,physicals,report of findings, and X-rays before graduation. These programs have been in effect since the 90's and last much longer than just one trimester. The profession is maturing and growing. Only the dinosaurs like wizdum fail to except this reality.

I can say "snake oil". I can also say "money grubbing quacks", "lieing cheating frauds", "circus side show con-men", "toady Sid butt lickers", "ionic foot bath toe jelly suckers", "pooping chicken wannabes". E, you Stupid Crack Pot, stop lieing about chiropractic school clinics. Everybody knows better than that. Which peanut gallery are you playing to now, Oh Wise Ass.

Daniella wrote:

WOW!! For someone who uses the name Wisdom you sure do lack some. I work for a N.U.C.C.A Chiropractor in Canada and besides the countless (like probably a higher number than you can count) people that he has helped he is a highly educated and wonderful person. You should look into those characteristics because you lack both. I wonder if you even know what N.U.C.C.A stands for or what it actually is, and I am talking the bio-mechanics of it! Doubt you even know anything about chiropractic besides, and I am taking a wild guess here, what mommy and daddy taught you. Usually when someone is so bent on giving chiropractic a bad name it's usually because A- UNEDUCATED!!! or B: One person had a "bad" experience and now you feel compelled to spread the word like a disease. Any way maybe you should take your head out of your ass for 3 seconds and look at this website, you seem to be able to use the internet minor problems.
http://www.whattimetuesday.com/

Daniella, it's good to hear that Tim is doing well. Tell him Ben says hi!!

I think the problem today is people are uneducated to what exactly Chiropractic is. I think people like Wisdom think that Chiropractors and saying they can cure things, but all the Chiropractor does is remove the interference that everyday life or a trauma has created. Once your body is free of this interference we have created with things such as cars and other traumas or other day to day mistakes, your body can work its wonderful built in healing power. I know that I myself suffered from migraines at least twice a month and headaches everyday. Now unless you have actually had a migraine you can not know how painful it is. One put me in the hospital because I collapsed in a mall. I started N.U.C.C.A when I got into 2 car accidents in the same week I had pain in my shoulders and neck on top of the migraines and headaches I already suffered. I started March of last year and still to this day have not had ONE Migraine since. I am off all medication!! So you can believe all you want, I know that it has made me migraine free and I am able to play with my son without feeling pain. Peace...

Hello Ben, Tim say's Hi back!!

I suffer from degenerative disc disease involving my cervical, lumbar and S1. I have had foraminotomies on C4,5,6,7, as well as micro surgery to remove a fragmented disc at L3-4 with a fragment lodged directly on the sciatic nerve. I am not significantly improved in my Lumbar area and the foraminotomies done in '89 have apparently degenerated further and I have constant neck pain with crepitis.

I have been considering and being urged to see a chiropractor for manipulation. After seeing the half page add in the Hartford Courant, I am now very nervous about following through with this. Is it recommended or contraindicated in cases as described above?

I probably would not do any manipulations on you.

Chances are that there would not be much if any movement anyway.

dre said..."Todays Chiropractic students are seeing hundreds of patients with an array of chief complaints."

That is an outright LIE.

How pathetic.

Daniella said, ".....but all the Chiropractor does is remove the interference that everyday life or a trauma has created."

That, Daniella, is called chiropractic doublespeak. A nice way to take avoid responsibility for anything.

I call it chirobabble.

Judith wrote:

I suffer from degenerative disc disease involving my cervical, lumbar and S1. I have had foraminotomies on C4,5,6,7, as well as micro surgery to remove a fragmented disc at L3-4 with a fragment lodged directly on the sciatic nerve. I am not significantly improved in my Lumbar area and the foraminotomies done in '89 have apparently degenerated further and I have constant neck pain with crepitis.
I have been considering and being urged to see a chiropractor for manipulation. After seeing the half page add in the Hartford Courant, I am now very nervous about following through with this. Is it recommended or contraindicated in cases as described above?

Judith,
Traditional chiropractic care may give you some relief by mobilizing the joints which are showing degeneration, but I would expect that it would be a maintenance situation where in order to continue to experience relief you would have to continue going on a regular basis.

*IF* the degeneration in your neck and low back are due to stress on your spine from altered posture, you could potentially get lasting relief from any vectored upper cervical technique and not require consistent maintenance care. However a lot of that depends on how much degeneration has occurred and how much they took out during your surgeries as well as how well you healed from them. It may be a long road to recovery or a short one, but you only know that once you start on it.

I'm not familiar with the ad you are referring to, but I am guessing it is one of the many put out by people like Wisdom who have a hate on for chiropractic. It likely warns that there are no benefits to getting adjusted and that you could suffer a stroke. Latest research provides compelling evidence that chiropractic is probably not the cause of the strokes attributed to it, and as for benefits, just ask around ... there are plenty of studies, case reports, and "anecdotal" claims from people whose lives have been changed for the better by chiropractic care.

I hope that you find something that works for you and helps you to lead a better life. If you have any questions or requests for me I would be happy to help further.