Should homeopathy be banned on the NHS? | Poll

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Jools wrote:

No Homeopathy should not be banned on the NHS!
Currently there is no scientific device in existence that is capable of measuring the healing energy contained within Homeopathic remedies. However 'quacked out' that may sound, the fact remains that millions of people worldwide have had positive and lasting results from using Homeopathic remedies.
Homeopathic remedies can be tailored to suit each and every individual person, and in reality no two people are ever completely and utterly identical, so it makes perfect sense that our method of healing treatments should be administered with our individuality in mind.
Modern Medicine does more harm and can cause massive side-effects and it also has big money behind it which means there is always a battle if something other than Modern Medicine is having results.
Homeopathy works! It really is that simple, and it needs more positive publicity, especially from people that have taken the time to understand the philosophy and methods that continue to make it work so well.
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Jools wrote:

No Homeopathy should not be banned on the NHS!
Currently there is no scientific device in existence that is capable of measuring the healing energy contained within Homeopathic remedies. However 'quacked out' that may sound, the fact remains that millions of people worldwide have had positive and lasting results from using Homeopathic remedies.
Homeopathic remedies can be tailored to suit each and every individual person, and in reality no two people are ever completely and utterly identical, so it makes perfect sense that our method of healing treatments should be administered with our individuality in mind.
Modern Medicine does more harm and can cause massive side-effects and it also has big money behind it which means there is always a battle if something other than Modern Medicine is having results.
Homeopathy works! It really is that simple, and it needs more positive publicity, especially from people that have taken the time to understand the philosophy and methods that continue to make it work so well.
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Pagan and Proud wrote:

<quoted text>Homeopathy is nothing more than placebo effect.

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Earth Child 1 wrote:

<quoted text>Exactly! I used to rent business space from a godaholic freak, unbeknownst to me at the time of signing the lease, who ran around chanting “Praise Jesus” with strands of pearls and a 6 inch crucifix hanging from her neck. She’s selling YL essential oils and telling people she has an oil blend that cures diabetes, colon cancer, spearmint essential oil that rebuilds and repairs tooth enamel, etc……… along with her reflexology sessions and faith healing. She told one of our clients, who had lower back surgery 5 weeks prior, that she doesn’t need a doctor and that she can cure her with Raindrop series essential oils, reflexology, faith healing and bringing Jesus into her life. Our client was upset and talked about contacting the FDA. I don’t know what happened after that because we got the hell out of there, since we were month to month renting. When people are sick, in pain and desperate, that is when snake oil freaks take advantage.

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Pagan and Proud wrote:

<quoted text>That's just it though, Some essential oil blends and uses are quite legitimate, that's not Homeopathy. Homeopathy uses known allergens and other such causes of ailments and then dilutes them down to the point of non-existence, and then sells them as a "cure" to "encourage the body's natural defenses" when there's not even enough of the substance in the "treatment" for the body to even register, much less form a defense against.
I'm all for alternative treatments that have a legitimate basis in Science, massage, essential oils and all the rest, it's just the fact that there is no Science to back up homeopathy at all.

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LMT wrote:

It's funny how, when folks get seasonal allergies this time of year, that the homeopathic gurus start touting their remedies to BOOST your immune system and "fight off" the allergy. Excuse me? Allergies are the immune system OVERREACTING to harmless allergens, and these quack homeopaths want to exacerbate that effect!

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Pagan and Proud wrote:

<quoted text>That's just it though, Some essential oil blends and uses are quite legitimate, that's not Homeopathy. Homeopathy uses known allergens and other such causes of ailments and then dilutes them down to the point of non-existence, and then sells them as a "cure" to "encourage the body's natural defenses" when there's not even enough of the substance in the "treatment" for the body to even register, much less form a defense against.
I'm all for alternative treatments that have a legitimate basis in Science, massage, essential oils and all the rest, it's just the fact that there is no Science to back up homeopathy at all.

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Mark wrote:

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It is actually worse than your explanation. The homeopathic theory is like cures like so caffine is used to "cure" insomnia as full strength caffine causes lack of sleep. Of course the caffine is then watered down until not a single molecule is left in the product (24C) and sold as a "cure".
Two of the silliest homeopathic "remedies" are T-Rex and Berlin Wall. Thats right, homeopaths claim to have something that no one else has found - actual T-Rex bones so in other words they are lying. Dino bones have been fossilized, the bone has been replaced with minerals. With Berlin Wall, homeopaths claim you don't even need actual wall - a photo will do!!!
If you think I am joking here are the links:
http://www.homeovision.org/en/for-homeopaths,...
http://www.interhomeopathy.org/berlin_wall

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Earth Child 1 wrote:

It’s unfortunate that there are scam artists who pervert homeopathic medicine for a quick buck.

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Nuggin wrote:

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That's a weird statement since ALL homeopathic medicine is a scam.
Set aside this silly argument about "energies" which can not be detected, let's talk PURE mechanics here for a second.
Homeopaths are claiming that if water is exposed to a substance, the water being "charged" by that substance in such a way that if it were to come into contact with OTHER water, then THAT water would also become "charged".
They further claim that with each generation down the line of "charged" water "charging" the other water, the resulting water is MORE "charged" than the original.
Thought experiment for you:
Take 60 shot glasses and line them up. Fill them each with pure H20.
Take an eye dropper and put one drop of blue food coloring into the first shot glass.
Then, using the eye dropper, take a drop from that first glass and put it in the next one.
Then take one from the next one and put it in the next one down the line.
Do that all the way down the line.
According to real world experience, you would expect that the original glass would be the darkest, which each subsequent glass being lighter and lighter. Somewhere about 1/3 of the way down, you wouldn't be able to see any blue at all, and all the remaining glasses would be clear.
According to homeopaths, the original glass would be the LIGHTEST in color with each subsequent dilution become darker and darker until, by the time you reach the 60th shot glass, the water is so dark that it is FAR FAR darker than the original food coloring used in the first place.
The problem is, that DOESN'T HAPPEN. EVER.
When you dilute something you get a LOWER concentration, not a higher one. It's pretty much the definition of "dilute"

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Earth Child 1 wrote:

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Some homeopathic medicines do work, but not all. If one goes to a licensed homeopathic physician, who graduated from a reputable school, they can help people. The key, as with ALL physicians, is to stay within your scope of practice and take the time to LISTEN to the patient. One of my friends went to a homeopath in desperation because her MD physician kept telling her that the lump in her neck was just a swollen lymph node. The homeopath found that she had thyroid cancer, which was CONFIRMED by further hospital ultrasound testing. She started the radiation therapy just in time.

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Earth Child 1 wrote:

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Some homeopathic medicines do work, but not all.

If one goes to a licensed homeopathic physician, who graduated from a reputable school, they can help people.

The key, as with ALL physicians,

One of my friends went to a homeopath in desperation because her MD physician kept telling her that the lump in her neck was just a swollen lymph node. The homeopath found that she had thyroid cancer, which was CONFIRMED by further hospital ultrasound testing. She started the radiation therapy just in time.

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Nuggin wrote:

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Some sugar pills work.
It's called the placebo effect. That doesn't make it real medicine.
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There is NO SUCH THING as a "reputable school" of homeopathy.
Again, the 60th shot glass will be clear, not DARK BLUE.
A photo of the Berlin Wall dipped in water doesn't make medicine that cures authoritarianism.
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Homeopaths are NOT physicians.
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First of all, "my friend..." statements are worthless. You are recounting something which MIGHT have happened, but you have no first hand experience with it.
Second, I'm no doctor, but my dog has lymphoma. "A swollen lymphnode" is a HUGE warning sign. TWO swollen lymphnodes is actually LESS scary than one. Two could be the flu. One is lymphoma.
So, the idea that this friend was being told "it's just a swollen lymphnode" seems strange to me. I'd love to ask
HER and HER DOCTOR some questions. But you aren't EITHER of them. So, what good does the story do?
Really, you could substitute the "homeopath" for me or an automechanic or anyone else who knows that a lump in the neck is a problem.
Homeopathy didn't diagnose this person, a basic understanding of human biology did.

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Earth Child 1 wrote:

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You're right! You're NOT a doctor and neither am I. The only thing I care about is that my friend is ALIVE and that's all that matters. Besides, whether you think it's a "worthless" story or not is irrelevant to me as you are.

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Nuggin wrote:

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The point is that you are claiming that homeopathy cured your friend because someone diagnosed them and they then got CONVENTIONAL treatment.
I could diagnose your friend and send them to treatment based on an episode of ER I saw 10 years ago.
That doesn't make watching ER a type of medicine.
Homeopathy is not medicine. It's magic. And it's not even very clever magic.

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Earth Child 1 wrote:

<quoted text>I didn't claim that homeopathy cured her, but I did claim that the homeopathy physician found it. What I didn't post, which is my fault, is that her homeopathic Dr. did thyroid blood workup on her and that's how it was found. Plus, she went to her homeopathic Dr. and she listened to her complaint when her PCP didn't and that's what my friend explained to me.

Nuggin wrote:

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And my guess would be that your friend actually was told something she didn't want to hear from the original doctor, but just didn't understand or listen.
It wasn't until the second opinion that she final let it sink in.
But neither of us can know for sure, because you don't have first hand knowledge which makes this a useless anecdote.