Ohio Supreme Court Rules Smoking Ban Constitutional

May 23, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Cincinnati CityBeat

Since 2006, the Ohio Smoke-Free Workplace Act has banned indoor smoking at public establishments and places of employment, making Ohio the first Midwestern state to enact a state-wide ban.

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Hugh Jass

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pops wrote:
<quoted text>Are YOU the same JASS that posted pages ago or an imposter? I agreed with you some of the time then. And even when I disagreed, there was always a thread of thought/logic on your part.
Now, the last several post made by "JASS" seem to have simply jumped off of the cliff leaving thoughtfulness/logic behind.
Let's see, now, what was it you said? Oh yes:
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The FACT that YOUR response is a personal attack & NOT an argument of the my points says that I have hit the nail on the head & that there is NO counter argument, even a counter argument that is baseless.
Hugh Jass

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<quoted text>We all notice your name change but that's cool.
HUH?
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Hugh Jass wrote:
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None of which has anything to do with smoking.
However, you believe that there are contradictory laws regarding racial discrimination. Let's look at your examples. "Affirmative action" was a measure to ENSURE that racial discrimination would NOT continue. The NEED for anti-discrimination laws made it clear that they would be ignored if there were NOT some specific requirement in place. Beyond that, there is the need for corrective measures to address the results of a century or two of discrimination that had left us with an extreme imbalance along the racial divide. Saying "Don't do that anymore" doesn't undo the damage of having been "doing that" for so long. "Affirmative action" was an attempt to help victims recover. The harm done over centuries is not going to go away overnight or even over a generation or two.
As to the Black Miss America, how do you feel about beauty pageants for specific age groups? How about drag queens? Should MEN be permitted to compete in the Miss America competition? Discrimination based on age or gender is also illegal, isn't it? How about the age limit for contestants on American Idol?
Actually the thread posts have been primarily Individual Freedom that manifested in smoking bans. A secondary topic has been the courts powers.
As far as "Affirmative Action" goes, you are misunderstanding the difference between that & 'anti-descrimination' laws.
Affirmative action was an attempt to un-ring the bell of past inequities and we all know that the bell cannot be unrung. But they still passed & or accepted affirmative action laws that are directly contrary of the so called 'reasoning' that created anti-descrimination laws.
My point about Black Miss America was & IS that they are LEGALIZED racial discrimination (which you don't argue),AFTER racial descimination has been declared illegal.
Your queries about drag contest & children are off of topic. They are NOT racial situations.
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Here is an example of how affirmative action works. The city wants to hire a mechanic for the city garage.

Two mechanics apply one is white and one is black. Both attend the same schools, had the same grades. To keep it simple they both were equally qualified.

The city requires requires mechanics to take a test. Both get the same amount of questions correct. The white person gets a score of 80, the black person gets a score of 85. This is due to him being black. Needless to say the black person gets the job every time.

Affirmative action laws may have been needed 50 years ago to make the playing field equal, but now they make the playing field unequal.
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Just about a year & a half ago, Hartford Conn F.D. performed testing for a few advancement placings. NO minorities scored in the top ten. SO the city threw out ALL of the tests.
To the credit of the caucasian firemen, they filed suit & won.
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pops wrote:
I do NOT type 500 keystrokes a minute but it seems that I need to slow down even further for you to understand. Sort of a 'read my lips' episode.
YOUR posts are generally so baseless, off topic & convaluted that I usually ignore them. But every now & then...your posts can't be ignored.
Like posts #981 & 989.. NONE of your words in either post have a thing to do with the topic or any topic except to make a personal attack. That is what my previous post was addressing. Did I type that slow enough for you to understand this time?
AND IF YOU want to attack me for saying "shame on you" then go after JASS for his post #974 which I totally understand. NEITHER JASSs post or MY post was actually personal although they were specific to each other & to the topic. There's a difference that you likely do NOT comprehend.
ALSO JASSs post & mine had a topic other than a purely personal attack.
IF you do NOT comprehend or can NOT form an articulate post time after time, I suggest that you keep your fingers OFF of the keys.
YOU are right about one thing, bans do exist & IF you were conceived in China, you may have been banned, so to speak. OH well. Life happens.
YOUR posts make about as much sense as a termite in the petrified forest.
Did I type slow enough for you to understand?
This from the guy who admonishes personal attacks. You fired the first shot, You pathetic hypocrite. Quit crying when it comes back at you.
Frisbee

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pops wrote:
Actually the thread posts have been primarily Individual Freedom that manifested in smoking bans. A secondary topic has been the courts powers.
Actually, the topic is that the Supreme Court upheld the ban. You'll notice that it's right there in big, bold letters at the top. Everything else is y'all crying and whining that you lost..AGAIN.

Viva La Ban!
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Frisbee wrote:
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Actually, the topic is that the Supreme Court upheld the ban. You'll notice that it's right there in big, bold letters at the top. Everything else is y'all crying and whining that you lost..AGAIN.
Viva La Ban!
SO, YOU think that these posts have followed the headline Banner? Another example of your lack of comprehension. Changing someones post/msg/words & then responding to the post as you changed it has no logic at all.
OH, that's right, it's Frisbee posting.
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pops wrote:
<quoted text>SO, YOU think that these posts have followed the headline Banner? Another example of your lack of comprehension. Changing someones post/msg/words & then responding to the post as you changed it has no logic at all.
OH, that's right, it's Frisbee posting.
Pops you got to remind yourself of this.

We have people who have died in support of freedom. We have the people who are actually contribute and support this great country, the producers.

Then we have a large group of people who have not. They are the takers. Most have not made any type of scarifaces or contributed to the well being of this country.

Frisbee is the typical taker that would cry like a baby and ran to mommy if something was taken away from him.
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Good points. I have to agree.
Many people seem to forget or don't know of a profound statement from Margeret Thatcher. Paraphrasing here, The government can help people only until it runs out of OTHER peoples money.
As you are alluding to; The Gov can spend ONLY what it takes from others. It's a tuff love sort of thing when it comes to social programs.
Obama (& dems) have commercials running about taxing the rich to satisfy the debt. A DEBT that has grown tremendously because of Obama (& the dems) has greatly increased the national debt with NO positive effect.
Besides, fact check & Snopes have numbers that show that IF every Billionaire would 'donate' their entire incomes, that approx only 1% of the national debt would be resolved. Kool-Aid drinkers are too numerous.
But we have gotten off of topic.
Hugh Jass

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pops wrote:
<quoted text>Actually the thread posts have been primarily Individual Freedom that manifested in smoking bans. A secondary topic has been the courts powers.
This remains, whatever the current whine of choice from the pro-smokers, the SMOKING forum.
As I recall, the court challenge was based on things like the fact that SOME places had exemptions (and the assertion that allowing ANY exemptions meant that it couldn't be seen as a "public health" law) and the assertion that it was enforced illegally. Added to that, there was an appeal for an exemption because Zeno's was on a corner lot and didn't have any place to put a smoking patio. The court found the arguments either false, irrelevant, or not rising to a level where they constituted unconstitutionality. And they declined to give the exemption. There's not all that much for laymen to say about that, so virtually everything in this overly long-lived thread is off-topic.
pops wrote:
As far as "Affirmative Action" goes, you are misunderstanding the difference between that & 'anti-descrimination' laws.
If you think so, then you are misunderstanding the difference between my comments and the comments you would like to argue against.
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Affirmative action was an attempt to un-ring the bell of past inequities and we all know that the bell cannot be unrung.
No, I don't think that's accurate. What it would be, in extending your analogy, is an effort to treat the deafness, broken eardrums, and trashed nerves caused by the insane level of volume at which the bell was rung for so long.
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But they still passed & or accepted affirmative action laws that are directly contrary of the so called 'reasoning' that created anti-descrimination laws.
The "reasoning" that created anti-discrimination laws? That reasoning was largely an acknowledgment that discrimination was causing and had caused unacceptable harm, not just that it was inherently wrong. Affirmative action laws aim to heal some of the wounds. Anti-discrimination laws, on the other hand, aim to prevent further harm. Both are based on the reasoning that the harm done by discrimination is unacceptable. It is one area where law has gone beyond proscription and/or punishment of behavior and made an effort to help the victims to recover from the victimization. I see no conflict between the two whatsoever.
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My point about Black Miss America was & IS that they are LEGALIZED racial discrimination (which you don't argue),AFTER racial descimination has been declared illegal.
Your queries about drag contest & children are off of topic. They are NOT racial situations.
Smoking is an activity, not an inherent characteristic. Racism is off-topic.

To humor you, though, I submit that you are proclaiming that anti-discrimination laws--which INCLUDE laws against discriminating on the basis of gender and on the basis of age--are violated when a beauty pageant (or any other contest) is closed to those without a specific inherent characteristic that is under that umbrella of anti-discrimination. The very basis of your reasoning--unless you are being racist by saying that nothing but being black qualifies--includes the question of allowing men to participate.

I wonder what the determining factor is in that contest, by the way. It's been said that a very large portion of the US population has at least one colored ancestor, and the notion of "passing" has a long history. Is it a question of skin color, facial type, or genetics that determines whether a particular woman qualifies? Not that I think I would place, regardless, and I am not curious enough to go look it up. It just occurs to me as a logistical problem for that restriction.
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<quoted text>SO, YOU think that these posts have followed the headline Banner? Another example of your lack of comprehension. Changing someones post/msg/words & then responding to the post as you changed it has no logic at all.
OH, that's right, it's Frisbee posting.
"EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING IT!!" is not a very good excuse for attacking those who DON'T do it.
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Kyboy wrote:
Most have not made any type of scarifaces
Go ahead on with that. By the way, it is two words, and spelled with a "y".
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pops wrote:
SO, YOU think that these posts have followed the headline Banner? Another example of your lack of comprehension.
No, I think they haven't. Tell us more about reading comprehension, dummy.
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Frisbee is the typical taker that would cry like a baby and ran to mommy if something was taken away from him.
Only people crying like a baby around here is y'all. Exactly who fought for the 'freedom to poison people'? Oh, right. Nobody. Because it doesn't exist.
Enjoy the bans, loser.
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Sometimes one is arguing with a wall & that would be fruitless. Like discussing anything with JASS or FRISBEE. People can disagree & agree to disagree as long as they can comprehend that opposing view.
Then there are others with blinders that simply can NOT even see anothers viewpoint & simply believe that those of different viewpoints are flat out wrong simply because they present 'opposing views'.
That would be a classic example of a small, narrow mind. Like those that take things out of context, re-word someone elses post before seemingly countering it AFTER changing it's message. Then there are the sound bite kings that think & comment topically, without depth or consideration of others.
Nothing can be done with the narrow minded except wait for them to pass or for them to quit drinking the kool-aid. BUT then there is someone coming from behind to replace their numbers.
A never ending conflict.
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Frisbee wrote:
<quoted text> Exactly who fought for the 'freedom to poison people'?
Jim Jones
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What you can't comprehend is that you are wrong.
Bans exist. They are Constitutionally sound. Waste all the time you please whining about it. The narrow mind is the one that can't accept reality.
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You are so easy to get a reaction from !!
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I'm sure you find it exceedingly easy to cultivate laughter and pity directed at you.

Enjoy the bans.
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see what I mean? lol

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