Letter: Marijuana just like other painkillers

pypr wrote:

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I have seen that before. A guy set down with a couple of pot heads and took some hits off their bong. He coughed and chugged, snot ran out of his nose, then he rolled off the couch on to the floor and stayed there for hours moaning every time the guys hit their bong again. It was pathetic

The problem here is the person. Ever seen someone consume to much alcohol? Every day someone drinks themselves into a stupor and stumbles home. Sometimes that someone beat their wives or children. Maybe they spend the night on the bathroom floor spewing the contents of their stomach into the toilet. Some don't make it home from the bar, maybe they were in a crash, or got a dui you may think. What get me is cannabis doesnt cause the social problems that alcohol does. Cannabis doesn't cause the health problems that tobacco or alcohol does. What is the goal of federal government prohibition of a weed?

I'm quite sure after the pathetic display your friend showed you of marijuana use he woke up the next day dreary eyed and foggy, but he wasn't puking in the toilet. Did he require a trip to the emergency room? Which is truly the worse alcohol or marijuana?

alphabionic wrote:

Pot as a painkiller? I would say maybe forget about your pain medicine, but not something that stops pain. Maybe you were not in that much pain?
Just admit it. You want to smoke Pot because you get a buzz. You like to put on the music and let it take you away from the pain of life. That is the true appeal towards smoking marijuana.
It is dangerous because it is an escape. It is dangerous because it causes on to lower their guard and willingly opens their minds to manipulation.

So, what TF allowed your mind to be so blatantly manipulated?
Or, are you just freakin' stupid?

RedGreen wrote:

If I have an itch in my **** because I fail to wipe my buttux properly, can I get a Quake Doctor's excuse to smoke pot also?
This way I'll forget about the pain of not having wiped properly. Heck, maybe I'll forget all together. This will help save the enviroment because I won't use any paper.'ll smell just like a real doper.

The best post in this entire thread!

Your Kidding Right wrote:

What's next? Heroin?

I was watching reruns of DEADWOOD and I think there is good argument for bringing back them little bottles of heroin that chick was sippin. Heck it might end up that we kill each other in the streets again. But I say we bring back posses and killins and opiates. Mother's little helpers. I believe consenting adults should be able to settle stuff with duels too. After all they are consenting adults and it don't hurt noone but the people who stand behing the shooters.

alphabionic wrote:

Pot is just like any other medicines? OK, would you and the other users advocate so passionately, angerily for another medicine? If so, which ones and why?

OC!
The drug for me!

Dizzy wrote:

Overdose on pot?
Seriously? Are you High right now?
You might spend the night on your bathroom floor but you won't go all Heath ledger from a green hued Apple Turnover.

So, please tell me what is OK about spending the night on your bathroom floor???

Come on wrote:

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What proof do you need. Pain is a subjective sensation... Every person responds to pain medications differently. Some of the most common medications used to treat pain have horrid side effects. Aspirin causes stomach ulcers and gastrointestinal bleeding, Tylenol can lead to liver toxicity/failure... the list could go on forever. If you want proof do some research.

No, it is not subjective. It is a physiological reality. Your argument makes no sense.

Everybody's goal should be to take nothing.

Come on wrote:

What proof do you need. Pain is a subjective sensation... Every person responds to pain medications differently. Some of the most common medications used to treat pain have horrid side effects. Aspirin causes stomach ulcers and gastrointestinal bleeding, Tylenol can lead to liver toxicity/failure... the list could go on forever. If you want proof do some research.

If they think it works, it might work:
http://www.chicoer.com/news/ci_13797256

I like pot heads because they can't fight back. I like to just mop up the teeth and blood with their dreadlocks. The next one that comes around to steal my bike or or break in the pad is going to be a plop of goo that, no amount of "smoke" can cure, because his lungs won't be working well enough to inhale. Yea,...just come trippin around thinking it's cool, in your mistaken High mind.

waiting4you wrote:

I like pot heads because they can't fight back. I like to just mop up the teeth and blood with their dreadlocks. The next one that comes around to steal my bike or or break in the pad is going to be a plop of goo that, no amount of "smoke" can cure, because his lungs won't be working well enough to inhale. Yea,...just come trippin around thinking it's cool, in your mistaken High mind.

What are you talking about? If you don't have a chain and a padlock for your bike that's your fault. If someone breaks into your pad, they surely aren't doing it for weed.

I take aspirin, and I'm okay with it. If you chew it there's less acid reflux. But I just got the usual mid life stiff joints and sore back.

My cousin, who is 85, slipped on the edge of her bed and fell flat on her butt - broken pelvis. So they got her in a home, they got her so doped out, she doesn't recognize her husband. He doesn't like it, but the doctor won't listen. Don't you just love Doctors?

I never met anybody who was so stoned they didn't know what was going on, unless it was in a movie - Jeff Spicoli! Hey, I know plenty of Jeff Spicoli's who have never touched their lips to a doobie or a bong - including many of you on this blog, Charles.

Then you get psycho's like Mr. Waiting4you. Wonderful. Mr. Waiting4you, I think you should crawl into a bong. And stay there. Stop doing oxycontin, at least. I'll say it out loud - you're bitchy!

Get a woodstove, it will make you feel better, right pypr?

Your Kidding Right wrote:

What's next? Heroin?

So... we have Vicodin, and Oxycontin, which are practically heroin, yet cannabis is what causes people to go "What next, medical heroin?"

alphabionic wrote:

Just admit it. You want to smoke Pot because you get a buzz.

Silly phrasings like these are just another variation of someone going "Do you still beat your wife?" (Because no one uses morphine as an escape. No, not all.)

It is dangerous because it is an escape. It is dangerous because it causes on to lower their guard and willingly opens their minds to manipulation.

And Vicodin is dangerous because it opens people's kidneys to manipulation. Sounds a lot more dangerous than whatever the hell you're babbling about.

Charles Kasey Kitterman wrote:

<quoted text>No, it is not subjective. It is a physiological reality. Your argument makes no sense.
Everybody's goal should be to take nothing.

There is not any physiological proof that someone is experiencing pain. The only way to truly know if someone is in pain is to ask them. Thus it is a subjective sensation. You obviously are not experienced with this subject and know nothing about the physiology of the human body or medications used to treat pain.

Your Kidding Right wrote:

What's next? Heroin?

The mode of action for drugs like Oxycontin, Morphine Sulfate and Dilaudid work in the same exact way as heroin does. They block opiate receptors in the brain and depress the central nervous system, resulting in a decreased sensation to pain. These drugs have the same side effects as heroin.

Armchair physicians. Both sides.

You see this America? This is what happens when you tell your kids that they are worth a ****!

to juanita wrote:

Very few regarding this issue have an intelligent debate on the harmful physical effects on the human body regarding smoking or digesting marijuana. You might legalize this drug; it is a drug and society, you the tax payer will have to clean up the mess from the overdose’s on smoking marijuana, the addicted on marijuana, the cancer caused by marijuana, the short term memory lose,the lung diseases and numerous other health ailments that occur when you are a chronic pot smoker, that’s one joint a day.

I have NEVER herd of anyone dieing from cancer caused by pot or overdosing,if there is a case I would like to know. It is a prescription like any other and should be treated as the same.you do not get addicted like oxy,vicoden norcose.It is by far cheaper and less harmfull than opiates.alchol kills thousand every year pot does not,people overdose on opiates,and other prescription drug not on pot. lets not forget the indians used it for medismal purposes because it was a natural remidy not a man made drug.

Charles Kasey Kitterman wrote:

<quoted text>Pot is a terrible painkiller, period. Just be honest and say you like to get high.

According to whom? You? You are the end all be all as to what works well w/ EVERYONE's body? No, in fact you are not.

Charles Kasey Kitterman wrote:

<quoted text>Show me empirical data demonstrating pot as an effective painkiller. Something in JAMA or the New England Journal Of Medicine.
You can't because your view is a bunch of lies. Just say people want to get high and the majority of medical claims are BS.

You won't see it in those articles because it is ILLEGAL to possess and the govt won't let them do tests on it because they hold all the cards.

There are, however, MANY trials from European countries and Canada.

Charles Kasey Kitterman wrote:

<quoted text>Your testimony means nothing without backing it up with proof. I will say what I will and I say you just like getting high and the fantasy it is treating pain is just a sad justification.

You want proof as to whether the persons pain level went down? I want proof that your painkiller is treating your pain? No proof? Then you should be jailed for being a doper.