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Inside the Battle to Define Mental Illness

Every so often Al Frances says something that seems to surprise even him. Just now, for instance, in the predawn darkness of his comfortable, rambling home in Carmel, California, he has broken off his exercise routine to declare that “there is no definition of a mental disorder. It’s bullshit. I mean, you just can’t define it.” Then an odd, reflective look crosses his face, as if he’s taking in the strangeness of this scene: Allen Frances, lead editor of the fourth edition of the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (universally known as the DSM-IV), the guy who wrote the book on mental illness, confessing that “these concepts are virtually impossible to define precisely with bright lines at the boundaries.” For the first time in two days, the conversation comes to an awkward halt.

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There are no genetic tests, no brain scans, blood tests, chemical imbalance tests or X-rays that can scientifically/medically prove that any psychiatric disorder is a medical condition.

After public outrage on the removal of Tryptophan for the pharmacutical mind drugs, Tryptophan was restored for the herbal market however the removal of Tryptophan in the food source never occured. Feed for turkey remained changed affecting Tryptophan along with other food sources.. Then, in a underhanded, dirty deal manner, the FDA siding with the pharmacutical industry on pyridoxamine for vitamin B6.( B6 is essenttial for the catalyst of Tryptophan to work.) Deression is a result of the lack of Tryptophan too and you know how everything today is based on the depression and the unstable drug induced society for the anti-depression drugs and profits of the pharmacutical industries and the mentalnhealth industry.

Have a good day.
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FDA has effectively bans a naturally-occurring form of vitamin B6

The FDA has effectively banned a naturally-occurring form of vitamin B6 called pyridoxamine by declaring it to be a drug, reports the American Association for Health Freedom. Responding to a petition filed by a drug company, the FDA declared pyridoxamine to be "a new drug."

This article continues at:

http://www.naturalnews.com/025606.html

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Mayo Clinic

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Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) is required for the synthesis of the neurotransmitters serotonin and norepinephrine and for myelin formation. Pyridoxine deficiency in adults principally affects the peripheral nerves, skin, mucous membranes, and the blood cell system. In children, the central nervous system (CNS) is also affected. Deficiency can occur in people with uremia, alcoholism, cirrhosis, hyperthyroidism, malabsorption syndromes, congestive heart failure (CHF), and in those taking certain medications. snip: Pyridoxine is frequently used in combination with other B vitamins in vitamin B complex formulations.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vit.../NS_pa...

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Serious health problems will occur as a result of this ruling . It is obvious that this is a continuation of "Drug America" with political objectives (Codex Alimentarius Commission) and the profits of the pharmaceutical an mental health industry. This (IMO) is an attempt to control Tryptophan (an essential amino acid) for heath and mental stability as B6 is a catalyst for absorption of the amino acid.

read here: Corruption Amino Acid: Tryptophan http://www.ceri.com/trypto.htm

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(Codex Alimentarius Commission. is mandated to set international reference standards and has been making decision behind secretive closed door sessions that will caused forced medicine and drugging based on pharmaceutical input without government oversight thus manipulating of the health and welfare of the public and gaining power and control over world governments.)

HumanSpirit wrote:

With no test for chemical imbalance of the brain as admitted by the APA in 2007 and Autism reaching 1 out 150 with no history of previous generations prior to the 1980's experiencing these numbers, It can't be genetic.

Before the 1980s kids who were diagnosed as being autistic were only those who fitted Kanner’s original limited definition, which was full blown autism. Since then the definition of autistic spectrum disorders has expanded enormously to include things like Asperger’s syndrome, high functioning autism, and PDD-NOS, so that now it includes everything from very mild Asperger’s to very severe autism. So of course the percentage of kids diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorders is now much higher than it was before 1980, but loads of kids still had Asperger’s syndrome, high functioning autism, and PDD-NOS before 1980, but weren’t included in the statistics for autism sufferers then.

HumanSpirit wrote:

Why your kid is drugged in school
How it works:

Funny. What you copied and pasted was IDEA 1997, which was when Clinton was in office. So proving any point you had is useless trying to connect Reagan/Bush presidency but I hate to inform you, there's an IDEA 2004 these days. Also, IDEA criteria is different than a medical diagnosis. A child can obtain special ed without ever having a medical diagnosis. The Federal and State Funding schools get per special ed child is hardly anything to consider as a profit and hardly covers the services that child needs. Most schools in the USA are taking funds from other places just to provide services for the high amount of special ed kids since the creation of IDEA in 1975 which allowed special ed children into the public school sysytem.

You also didn't copy IDEA 1997 correctly. You skipped right to but never listed (4) Emotional disturbance and (9) Other health impairment. Generally those who have ADD/ADHD, Bi-polar disorder, Depression don't get special ed, they get a 540 plan. You're also assuming who would be on medications per IDEA and special ed. Regardless if a child was home schooled or in the public school and had ADHD or bi-polar, they would still need medication and medication would be the sole choice of who? The parent!

Richard B wrote:

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Before the 1980s kids who were diagnosed as being autistic were only those who fitted Kanner’s original limited definition, which was full blown autism. Since then the definition of autistic spectrum disorders has expanded enormously to include things like Asperger’s syndrome, high functioning autism, and PDD-NOS, so that now it includes everything from very mild Asperger’s to very severe autism. So of course the percentage of kids diagnosed with autistic spectrum disorders is now much higher than it was before 1980, but loads of kids still had Asperger’s syndrome, high functioning autism, and PDD-NOS before 1980, but weren’t included in the statistics for autism sufferers then.

Doesn't explain the growing numbers at all. Gives that lame explanation that when you have 1 in 38 South Korea, 1 in 64 Britain, 1 in 88 USA, that parents not only didn't notice their child could not talk, had seizures, wouldn't make eye contact, couldn't feed or dress themselves, could not play or partake in activities, would not eat, had constipation constantly, but they NEVER had concern enough to take their child to a doctor? Schools also noticed nothing? Adsurd. All of a sudden when a diagnosis changes there's a lightbulb moment of "hey I think there's something wrong with junior"? Ridiculous and utter garbage. Try again. Maybe Steven Hawkins knows, phone him up.

Not sure why you keep bringing up 1 in 38 Korea. As a matter of fact, the parents did not notice and neither did the Korea schools, since none of them were obtaining special educational services. All the children were in main stream classes. The study was conducted first by a 5 minute questionnaire, and they all had 'seemed' to have a mild form of autism. So yes, they could talk, could feed and dress themselves, they could eat but then again, none of that is even criteria for an autism diagnosis.

So no, your rant about autism rates doesn't explain the growing numbers, or even explain what autism actually is.

Merck Maims Kills wrote:

<quoted text> Doesn't explain the growing numbers at all. Gives that lame explanation that when you have 1 in 38 South Korea, 1 in 64 Britain, 1 in 88 USA, that parents not only didn't notice their child could not talk, had seizures, wouldn't make eye contact, couldn't feed or dress themselves, could not play or partake in activities, would not eat, had constipation constantly, but they NEVER had concern enough to take their child to a doctor? Schools also noticed nothing? Adsurd. All of a sudden when a diagnosis changes there's a lightbulb moment of "hey I think there's something wrong with junior"? Ridiculous and utter garbage. Try again. Maybe Steven Hawkins knows, phone him up.

Still the same pathetic excuses I see, and he still can't spell Stephen Hawking, when all he has to do is copy it. IQ = 0 I'm afraid.
Any parent taking their kid to the doctor with symptoms other than Kanner style autism would have been told that is was probably PDD-NOS, which wasn't recognised as being an autistic spectrum disorder before 1980, so such cases wouldn't have been included in the autism case statistics. Even Canadian moron should be able to work that one out. Perhaps not though, with an IQ of 0.
Still no peer reviewed evidence for vaccines causing autism, I notice. He really is a joke.

Adding to that Korea study Winnipeg keeps bringing up, I bet you he doesn't know who funded it? If he did, I doubt he'd keep referencing to it. I bet you he didn't know Korea has 12 hour school days, either and that most of those autism rates come from public schools which do not require a diagnosis in order to obtain special ed services. He also probably doesn't know Korea's vaccine schedule.

In the USA, prior to the 1990's, autism wasn't part of IDEA so even had a child had a medical diagnosis of autism, they wouldn't of had a primary special ed disability of autism. They would of had a primary of MR. The autism statistics didn't start to rise until after autism was added to IDEA, MR primarys dropped.

friend wrote:

Not sure why you keep bringing up 1 in 38 Korea. As a matter of fact, the parents did not notice and neither did the Korea schools, since none of them were obtaining special educational services. All the children were in main stream classes. The study was conducted first by a 5 minute questionnaire, and they all had 'seemed' to have a mild form of autism. So yes, they could talk, could feed and dress themselves, they could eat but then again, none of that is even criteria for an autism diagnosis.
So no, your rant about autism rates doesn't explain the growing numbers, or even explain what autism actually is.

Provide a link where that is all stated. I've never found it. Making it up again?

Richard B wrote:

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Still the same pathetic excuses I see, and he still can't spell Stephen Hawking, when all he has to do is copy it. IQ = 0 I'm afraid.
Any parent taking their kid to the doctor with symptoms other than Kanner style autism would have been told that is was probably PDD-NOS, which wasn't recognised as being an autistic spectrum disorder before 1980, so such cases wouldn't have been included in the autism case statistics. Even Canadian moron should be able to work that one out. Perhaps not though, with an IQ of 0.
Still no peer reviewed evidence for vaccines causing autism, I notice. He really is a joke.

The joke is you, repeating the same nonsense over and over. I guess thats what imbeciles do while they pretend they are steve hawkinns. And what do you know about pre 1980 autism statistics? Provide a link to a comparative study that peer reviewd proving that there were all these mild cases no one noticed even parents. We're not talking about Neanderthals like you, most parents and grandparents see when things aren't right. Would your parents not notice your issues if it wasn't labelled? What a moron.

friend wrote:

Adding to that Korea study Winnipeg keeps bringing up, I bet you he doesn't know who funded it? If he did, I doubt he'd keep referencing to it. I bet you he didn't know Korea has 12 hour school days, either and that most of those autism rates come from public schools which do not require a diagnosis in order to obtain special ed services. He also probably doesn't know Korea's vaccine schedule.
In the USA, prior to the 1990's, autism wasn't part of IDEA so even had a child had a medical diagnosis of autism, they wouldn't of had a primary special ed disability of autism. They would of had a primary of MR. The autism statistics didn't start to rise until after autism was added to IDEA, MR primarys dropped.

Why don't you tell us South Korea's schedule then.(SHE WON"T). So provide a link where it shows all the MR pre 1990 then, if there were records kept.(SHE WON'T). Nothing but hot air wafting off the fresh B.S.

Why should I provide a link to the Korea study when you're the one who brought it up? Obviously you didn't read anything but the head lines. You provide the link.

Funny one asks for links when they never provide them. I would provide other links, like to the public schools which are what? Public. But I wont for the likes of anti vaxxers Winnipeg Canada, who calls any link I have 'garbage'. The rest of us research. Any one can look this up, such as the Korea study and any one will who is interested. So look it up.

friend wrote:

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Funny. What you copied and pasted was IDEA 1997, which was when Clinton was in office. So proving any point you had is useless trying to connect Reagan/Bush presidency but I hate to inform you, there's an IDEA 2004 these days. Also, IDEA criteria is different than a medical diagnosis. A child can obtain special ed without ever having a medical diagnosis. The Federal and State Funding schools get per special ed child is hardly anything to consider as a profit and hardly covers the services that child needs. Most schools in the USA are taking funds from other places just to provide services for the high amount of special ed kids since the creation of IDEA in 1975 which allowed special ed children into the public school sysytem.
You also didn't copy IDEA 1997 correctly. You skipped right to but never listed (4) Emotional disturbance and (9) Other health impairment. Generally those who have ADD/ADHD, Bi-polar disorder, Depression don't get special ed, they get a 540 plan. You're also assuming who would be on medications per IDEA and special ed. Regardless if a child was home schooled or in the public school and had ADHD or bi-polar, they would still need medication and medication would be the sole choice of who? The parent!

The dirty deal of mind drugging America was Republican. Formerly working for the pharmacutical industry (Eli Lilly) was Bush Sr along with his son George Jr and Ken Lay from the Enron hall of shame. Also Bush Sr was involved with the CIA in some major undertaking of drugging America with MKULTRA in which his father, Preston Bush (NAZI supporter) had some political control and the drugs producted for MKULTRA were Eli Lilly. By the 1960's the hippie generation with Timothy Leary (research assistance was, eli lilly) was taking place with LSD , qualudes being his drug of choice. In the 1980's with the movie star Reagan being used for the Republican presidency, Bush Sr (vp) was busy with the American Legal Exchange Committee (ALEC) drawing up the American Coup Detat incorporating the mental health industry by funding of the Social Services each state. This required changes to the judiciary forming the Family Law Court. Today we have the total invasion of the judiciary with the Mental Health Court, the drug court and so forth in the destruction of the America judiciary by the mental health industry and mind drugging.

No bombs and bullets in this Republican coup detat...just mind drugs and Statin drugs

Bush and the New World Order

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Prove It wrote:

<quoted text> The joke is you, repeating the same nonsense over and over. I guess thats what imbeciles do while they pretend they are steve hawkinns. And what do you know about pre 1980 autism statistics? Provide a link to a comparative study that peer reviewd proving that there were all these mild cases no one noticed even parents. We're not talking about Neanderthals like you, most parents and grandparents see when things aren't right. Would your parents not notice your issues if it wasn't labelled? What a moron.

Still can’t spell Stephen Hawking I see. Did Canadian idiot fail his nursery school exams?
Where did I say that parents didn’t notice mild cases? I didn’t (another reading fail by Canadian idiot). I said that such cases were diagnosed under different names, which since 1980 have been lumped together under the name PDD-NOS (Pervasive Development Disorder, not otherwise specified), which in itself is a spectrum of disorders with symptoms such as problems with social functioning and communication skills. Since about 1980 it has been recognised as being an autistic spectrum disorder. So even a mentally retarded slug would realise that when those diagnosed with conditions included in PDD-NOS were added to the numbers with the original Kanner type autism, the total would have increased massively. Of course, someone with an IQ even lower than that of a mentally retarded slug still wouldn’t have a clue.
Still no peer reviewed evidence for vaccines causing autism, I notice.

HumanSpirit wrote:

<quoted text>The dirty deal of mind drugging America was Republican.

Mind drugging???
So we've got yet another conspiracy theory nutcase. I wonder if this one smokes Cannabis, cause that causes paranoia.

PDD-NOS wasn't added until the fourth edition of the DSM, and that year was 1994. No one could of had the diagnosis prior. Those who had the PDD-NOS diagnosis didn't fit all of the criteria of any other PDD diagnosis. It was a controversial diagnosis, like saying 'we know there's something wrong, but we don't know what. But here's a diagnosis just the same'. The autism rates clearly increased after the release of the DSM fourth edition, and it's those with that diagnosis that that tend to claim a cure. PDD-NOS is the most common diagnosis given of the PDD's.

Those prior, like in the 1980's, who didn't fit the full criteria of autism were diagnosed MR. In fact those who do have classic autism also have an MR diagnosis, since MR is based on IQ. In the USA, autism rates are obtained from the public school records and county agencies, and prior to adding autism to IDEA (early 1990's) there would be little to no count of autism and those school records does not determine who actually has a diagnosis or just a educational label.

DSM-I was originally released in 1952. Although autism was recognized as a unique condition as early as 1943, it was not included in the DSM. Instead, children who exhibited autistic-like symptoms were diagnosed under the schizophrenic reaction, childhood type label.

DSM II The second release of the Diagnostics and Statistics Manual of Mental Disorders came in 1968, autism was not included as a separate diagnostic category.

DSM III occurred in 1980, inclusion of autism as a separate diagnostic category.
There were only six characteristics listed and each of these six symptoms must be present in order for an individual to be diagnosed with infantile autism. Due to some controversy surrounding the descriptor infantile, this category was changed to autistic disorder in 1987.

DSM-IV, occurred in 1994. Besides the inclusion of four new subtypes, drastic changes were made to the criteria that needed to be met in order to receive a diagnosis of autistic disorder. The current release of the DSM has a list of 16 different symptoms used to describe autistic disorder and a patient only needs to exhibit six of the 16 to receive the diagnosis.

Good researching.

Bingo " made to order autism" in the same time frame as the everyday diagnosed (primarily male) politically oriented, add/ adhd and the prescribed mind drugs of the day. Of interest is the bipolar diagnoses in the same time frame and how the article points to the side effects of the medications as a symptom of add/adhd such as tics.

Anyone who knows some one who has ADHD, bi-polar or classic autism knows it's no made to order diagnosis. PDD-NOS was a mistake however the ones who generated such a diagnosis was parents, not any one political. DSM-IV occurred in 1994, not the 1980's. Although my opinion is PDD-NOS was a mistake, there clearly was something going on with those children who have that diagnosis. Time will only tell if it was a mis-diagnosis, or really on the spectrum but those kids would of had a diagnosis given, if not PDD-NOS, it would had been something else.

It's people like you who undermine and deny medical disorders and the people who have them. You might as well be living in the 1930's when people still denied alcoholism and wife/ child abuse.

friend wrote:

Anyone who knows some one who has ADHD, bi-polar or classic autism knows it's no made to order diagnosis. PDD-NOS was a mistake however the ones who generated such a diagnosis was parents, not any one political. DSM-IV occurred in 1994, not the 1980's. Although my opinion is PDD-NOS was a mistake, there clearly was something going on with those children who have that diagnosis. Time will only tell if it was a mis-diagnosis, or really on the spectrum but those kids would of had a diagnosis given, if not PDD-NOS, it would had been something else.
It's people like you who undermine and deny medical disorders and the people who have them. You might as well be living in the 1930's when people still denied alcoholism and wife/ child abuse.

Mental Health Industry has no science. Its based on voodoo, tarot card readings and crystal ball gazing. The mind drugs in the society have a destructive history with no cures. There is no evidence based medicine. Its all hearsay. Its political.