Gay 'marriage' has unintended consequences

Publius2 wrote:

<quoted text>Jebus Crust isnt mentioned but Jesus Christ is! Look at the signatory section of the Constitution, you will find these words: "In the year of our Lord..." You see, you can't get away from Him...He is the center of History (His Story).

ROFLMAO! No, sorry, that isn't a "reference" to your myths regardless of how hard you claim it to be.

Publius2 wrote:

Like the founding "nutters" of this nation we also realize that we are "endowed by our CREATOR with certain inalienable rights." We are not allowed these rights, we are granted them by God.

Completely false. Those rights are not "endowed". Those rights are fought and paid for by the blood of every single person who has defended this country. If those rights were "inalienable" and came from the source you claim, they would be recognized worldwide, without question, and nothing could remove them.

Publius2 wrote:

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There's two strikes!

Ah, ad hominem I see. No, there are no "strikes" just your self-righteous indignation at having someone laugh at your sanctimonious ramblings.

The Golem wrote:

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If you find that your spiritual path takes you to either Jesus or Jebus, good for you. I do not find that hypothesis either necessary or sufficient for my spiritual beliefs and doubt that you are so firm in yours if you cannot tolerate me in mine.

Actually that is the entire reason there is such a push to ban Same-Sex marriage. They do not actually believe in their claims of "sin" and "punishment" otherwise once they had spoken their piece they would be satisfied to allow others to do as they will and let their "deity" do as he sees fit. As it stands now they are no better than those of the middle ages who, if they could, would burn, hang, torture, and kill others who dared to refuse to follow their proclamations made in the name of their deity.

Publius2 wrote:

<quoted text>Jebus Crust isnt mentioned but Jesus Christ is! Look at the signatory section of the Constitution, you will find these words: "In the year of our Lord..." You see, you can't get away from Him...He is the center of History (His Story).

Are you serious???? That was simply the standard way of addressing the year in formal writing at the time. It has no more religious connotation than someone perfunctorily saying "bless you" when another person sneezes. If that is the best you can come up with, you're truly ignorant.

Publius2 wrote:

<quoted text>This religious "nutter" would like to comment on one of your quotes: "The [they] don't recognize it's the freedoms we're allowed in this country in the first place that ensures their right to practice the religion of their choice and not have to wear a glitter Buddha robe humming in a circle."
Like the founding "nutters" of this nation we also realize that we are "endowed by our CREATOR with certain inalienable rights." We are not allowed these rights, we are granted them by God.

All you stated is that you believe in your religion. Fine. I never stopped you nor would I but you and your narrow minded rants attempt to stifle the gay community by stating they are 'sinners' or whatever crap you have.

I believe in God too and don't think He hates gays. You live in Sacramento? I live in the Pocket area....let's get together. You'll find I have a family, live well, have great friends and allow others to believe in their beliefs and in this case lifestyles as long as it hurts no one else. You...you want a Nazi state?

Publius2 wrote:

<quoted text>Jebus Crust isnt mentioned but Jesus Christ is! Look at the signatory section of the Constitution, you will find these words: "In the year of our Lord..." You see, you can't get away from Him...He is the center of History (His Story).

Hey Pubic Hair squared....you ARE a religious goofball. Man! Stick to sending the religious pyramid scheming evangelical con men on Sunday morning extravagant amounts of your money so they can live fat and leave the rest of the population alone.

Andrea J wrote:

I read this post the other day. It is a very insightful memoir, a REAL story from a gay married persons perspective. Check it out
http://toptopix.blogspot.com/
maybe people will get a better idea what being gay and married is like.

Thank you for that! I found it very interesting.

Roberto wrote:

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To have homosexual behavior accepted would mean having to supplant these standards and beliefs with something that is strange, unknown and foreign to the traditions and values upon which America and Western civilization in general has been built.

Why are so many people AFRAID of what they don't understand??????

This would effectively mean a return to pagan culture and the disunity this implies.

This is NOT the place for that particular religious discussion!!!

Roberto wrote:

When you think about, you come to realize that all of life is geared towards reproduction. This is true in nature as well. When one's reproductive years are over, it's usually time to go.

So you're saying that all women should "go" after menopause?? When our "reproductive years are over"?? So all children would not have a grandmother over the age of what, 55-60??

Surely you see how stupid that sounds!?!?!?!?

Roberto wrote:

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Oh, I forgot to mention that he doesn't have the means or the resources to make that determination.
So under these circumstances, isn't treating them all as geese who lay golden eggs the most reasonable course to follow?
Of course it is, and you know it!

How typical.......try to prove a point, get retaliation that makes sense, then back peddle with more weak points.........
The old "oh ya....." syndrome.
How sad and tired........

Roberto wrote:

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Same-sex marriage is still relatively new so the effects may not be seen for many years still to come.

Just like what I'm sure they said about abolishing slavery, women's vote, and inter-racial marriage!!
THEY happened anyway, and are still going strong!

Less and less opposite-sex couples are marrying, out-of-wedlock pregnancies are the rule and rising, birth rates are declining, and those populations that have strong family values like the Muslim immigrants are in the ascendency.

And these things are bad WHY??? I believe it's been proven that id doesn't take a MARRIAGE to make a baby.(just certain anatomical parts)

I think that what you are describing is called PROGRESS! NOTHING stays the same forever!!!!!

Breeding is one means by which one civilization supplants another, and mutilating the institution that sanctifies the procreative relationship can only give an advantage to other civilizations that still honor the traditional institution.

Again, it doesn't take a marriage to BREED.(as you put it)
That IS the mentality of IRRESPONSIBLE PROCREATION (as YOU put it).

If procreation were to be the demise of the human specie, it would be because of IRRESPONSIBLE PROCREATION!
That underscores how vital this institution is to opposite-sex couples because marriage strives to make procreation a responsible act. Undermining marriage the way same-sex marriage would such that it leads to the consequences one sees happening in the Netherlands will only increase reproductive disorder.

I hat to break it to you, but irresponsible procreation goes on every day! All over the world. Take a look in the high schools and colleges in (for example) America. Take a look at our welfare system! Does anyone know that statistics on the average number of children unwed mothers have?

It has absolutely nothing to do with friendships like gay love relationships.
But thanks for helping me make my case.

No, Thank YOU!!

IL wrote:

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....No significant percent of homosexuals....

The same drivel from the same IL poster...
Changing the name on it doesn't change the crap being said.

Kurt wrote:

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Your lies don't become truth just because you endlessly state them.

Back at ya, IL idiot.

Past Paradisian wrote:

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The same drivel from the same IL poster...
Changing the name on it doesn't change the crap being said.

That's why it changes names so often, it knows that it's drivel is ignored by the majority and people wouldn't even bother opening the thread if it's the last one to post.

Publius2 wrote:

<quoted text>uh huh...when all else fails throw in some ad-hominem attacks.

Please - when the man starts talking about violence, then he is indeed the barbarian and not of a civilized man. It's a statement of fact, not an ad hominem attack.

What have you to contribute to a reasoned, civil dialogue? Thus far, not much.

Eric

Publius2 wrote:

<quoted text>This religious "nutter" would like to comment on one of your quotes: "The [they] don't recognize it's the freedoms we're allowed in this country in the first place that ensures their right to practice the religion of their choice and not have to wear a glitter Buddha robe humming in a circle."
Like the founding "nutters" of this nation we also realize that we are "endowed by our CREATOR with certain inalienable rights." We are not allowed these rights, we are granted them by God.

And YOU are the one that equates the word "Creator" with G-d. Not everyone does, and that is why the founding fathers USED the word "Creator" and not "G-d."

Leb wrote:

The ridiculous

Spam Continues even though no one reads it.

Confucioulicious wrote:

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I'm not for gay marriage myself but I'll back you on that one. These religeous nutters that come into these rooms holding a cross like and umbrella fighting sideways rain and screaming 'Praise the LAWD!' when it comes to this type of debate need to be canned. The don't recognize it's the freedoms we're allowed in this country in the first place that ensures their right to practice the religion of their choice and not have to wear a glitter Buddha robe humming in a circle. The same freedoms that allow us to debate gay marriage among other things and the possibilities that if something is deemed right then it is moved forward.

Condemning vice such as homosexuality and trying to persuade people to turn from their wrongful ways IS the practice of a religion. and this is constitutionally protected and there is nothing you can do about it.

Christians and Muslims and Buddhist and Hindus and all other religions have that constitutionally protected right to condemn homosexuality even if it is legal behavior. It's like trying to get people to stop smoking or gambling or drinking. All those are legal behavior as well, yet they are still open to condemnation.

No different with homosexuality! Sorry.

Past Paradisian wrote:

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Why are so many people AFRAID of what they don't understand??????
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This is NOT the place for that particular religious discussion!!!

Actually, one understands it too well. America is not progressing towards a more enlightened society. It is becoming a pagan empire for our age. It is the new ROME.