Discrimination against gays unfair

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faith wrote:

Your Accountability to God
The Bible is clear: God does not approve of or condone homosexual practices. He also disapproves of people who “consent with those practicing them.”(Romans 1:32) And “marriage” cannot give homosexuality a cloak of respectability. God’s direction that “marriage be honorable among all” precludes homosexual unions, which he considers detestable.—Hebrews 13:4.

mdckmn wrote:

<quoted text> What's with you guys? Any poor jamoke that wanders into one of your forums who has a different point of view gets pilloried. Is your position really so weak that it can't stand a little polite debate? Sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities, I'll leave you to your own methods.

devons wrote:

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It's not lofty at all. You raised some good points. If we don't try and eliminate anything that could cause people to convert to homosexuality we risk more and more people becoming homosexuals. Rather then attacking the homosexual and denying them rights we should actually be turning our attention to anything in our society which could cause someone to want to change their orientation. In that way we are working to save our species from extinction.
It would appear the biggest threat, at least in my mind, would be relationships. This is what I've learned from my friend. Just think how devastating a failed relationship can be to a person. The hurt could make someone want to be with their own sex, like my friend.

mdckmn wrote:

<quoted text> I think your exaggerating, I'm not always thinking about sex, sometimes I'm hungry :-) Sometimes, inmates "convert" while they're in and stay that way when they get out. Others, go right back to heterosexuality. Most of them have bigger issues to address than their sexuality.

c3daddyo wrote:

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OH! So now you are a minority? I just can't wait for this. Instead of playing the black card, now will have to watch what we make fun of because we don't want them to throw the gay card!

ScottyMatic wrote:

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Statistics clearly demonstrate that the ratio of gay people to the general population has not changed. Your argument about "people wanting to change to homosexuality" is deeply flawed and spurious.
Also, the world population is currently 6833102618. More than 50 babies have been born since I began writing this. The world has an overpopulation problem.
Under no circumstances could "people converting to homosexuality" pose a danger of human extinction.
Jeez, are you smokin' crack or something?

devons wrote:

mdckmn, I have to agree with you on many things. I've known a heterosexual (that I love dearly) that was unhappy in their life. He had problems forming meaningful relationships with women. He finally met a wonderful man who he became very close to. He then decided to change his orientation and suddenly found himself attracted to men.
To me this means that ones orientation can change on a whim it only needs the right catalyst. If we allow unhappy relationships to exist it could mean that suddenly most people will switch their orientation and homosexuality will become normal. Just think about the implications of that. Our entire species could be at risk.
It would seem that relationships should not be accepted by society because the risk is more then we should accept.
Mind you, I love this heterosexual, but his lifestyle as a heterosexual is much to dangerous.....at least in my mind.
I'm sure if all shared their experiences with other people and their chosen orientation we could come up with rules for society that will protect the future of our species.
Keep up the good work.:-)

devons wrote:

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Not smokin....just playing....;-)

LuLu Ford wrote:

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No, inmates do not "convert". Prison sex is about male dominance which is exactly the same thing Genesis 19 is defining. It is not about consensual sex at all.

mdckmn wrote:

<quoted text> Dear Lulu, Thanks for your consideration, you've been a friend to me. It seems as though my gift is making homosexuals angry so I think that I'll simply remove myself from the discussion boards concerning homosexuality.

mdckmn wrote:

<quoted text> Dear Lulu, Thanks for your consideration, you've been a friend to me. It seems as though my gift is making homosexuals angry so I think that I'll simply remove myself from the discussion boards concerning homosexuality.

LuLu Ford wrote:

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That's too bad. I think we connected on some level, which is rare. You are sincere and truly seeking answers which is also quite rare. Queerfolk are touchy about things with good reason. We are presented with Biblical "clobber passages" and people who insist the our sexuality is some kind of "choice" or "lifestyle." One's sexuality is an integral part of their being and to constantly find oneself on the defensive is trying.
Peace

devons wrote:

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It's not lofty at all. You raised some good points. If we don't try and eliminate anything that could cause people to convert to homosexuality we risk more and more people becoming homosexuals. Rather then attacking the homosexual and denying them rights we should actually be turning our attention to anything in our society which could cause someone to want to change their orientation. In that way we are working to save our species from extinction.

mdckmn wrote:

<quoted text> I think your exaggerating, I'm not always thinking about sex, sometimes I'm hungry :-) Sometimes, inmates "convert" while they're in and stay that way when they get out. Others, go right back to heterosexuality. Most of them have bigger issues to address than their sexuality.

mdckmn wrote:

<quoted text> When this kid came into my home, he was vulnerable. I'm not telling you that I don't have my prejudices-but people-not their orientation come first. For what it's worth, I caught a little flak from some of my friends about it. But you know what, there I was, twice divorced at the time, and not being allowed to serve in the church as a result; and I had had enough of people being judgemental. This kid could hardly communicate, he fought for his identity in many ways. He literally needed to learn how to live, and his sexuality was a component of that. As he recovered, his personality revealed itself, as did his sexuality. All we did was be his friend. At the time he had 2 friends, both of whom were homosexual. One was a bit older, very effeminate, and very controlling. The other, was about the same age and may have been bi sexual. The older guy had to go; not because he was homosexual, but because he was abusive. My friend chose to cut ties with both of them, and in the following year and a half began to define himself. Later he restored his relationship with the younger guy, he's a nice kid and I've always made him welcome in my home. I don't care if someone is homosexual; I don't like seeing kids tormented. Some of the high school youngsters think that toying with sexuality in this manner is cool; I think that it can be dangerous. I've taught my children to love and respect everyone. We have had a lot of different people come live with us over the years,and nobody in my household thinks that they're better than anyone else, we treat everyone with respect.

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mdckmn wrote:

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I apologize for insulting people; it's not my intention.
My obsessiveness, as you call it, stems from a desire to have meaningful dialogue about a very real issue in our culture. Accepting homosexuality in our culture is inevitable; and many people have concern. These concerns may be bigotry; I think that my personal concerns contain some prejudice, but also some valid points. However, no reasonable person would continue to subject himself to being called bigot, liar, homophobe, and the like for long. It's possible that I'm looking in the wrong place to gain some wisdom about how you guys think. You certainly have suffered under the prejudices of heterosexuals who are mean spirited. But a forum which serves only as a place to fan resentment and mutually admire one another falls far short of its potential. If you guys are going to change the world; consider the fact that my perspective reflects, at least in part, a majority of our culture. I am your target audience.

mdckmn wrote:

What makes this issue germane is that it address concern about those who engage in homosexual behavior who are not innately homosexual. It was in response to this question in the article:
"Can somebody tell me how it affects heterosexuals?"
What's the difference you don't believe a word that I say anyway. Why waste your time on a repugnant pig like me?

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Ralph wrote:

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That is a strange reaction. Are we a majority? Or there as many of us as there are straights? If not, we are by definition a minority. So are blacks, hispanics, Jews, Pagans, semites, etc. I said nothing other than that we are a minority, which is true. You are the one who compared us to blacks, which we are told constantly is not a viable comparasion. I think you str8s ought to get your story str8 also.