Why is Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner reopening old Falklands wounds?

Feb 10, 2012 Full story: The Guardian 113

Cristina FernA ndez de Kirchner was a young crusading lawyer when she watched anxious military conscripts tramp through the cold and wind of her adopted home town, Rio Gallegos, on their way to invade the Falkland Islands .

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st george

Oldham, UK

#1 Feb 11, 2012
It sounds like this cristina Fernandez is looking to make a name for herself no matter how many poor conscrips get killed .she is just another dictator .maybe britain should have carried on right through argentina last time they wanted a fight ,the only thing that she wants now is the oil that may be there .typical crazy latin american woman .There is no way britain will abandon the people of the falklands .Its one thing that we are united on .we lost too many men in the last conflict and will not let them die in vain .I for one am getting my kit ready for my posting there .We are waiting for another match ...england 1..argentina 0.....
Goodbye Atlantis

Orange, NJ

#2 Feb 11, 2012
>>she is just another dictator

After WW II when the Fascists lost in Europe, they came to the Americas- North, Central and South America.
This is our history, but it's not a history we read about.
Pampa

Argentina

#3 Feb 11, 2012
Goodbye Atlantis wrote:
>>she is just another dictator
After WW II when the Fascists lost in Europe, they came to the Americas- North, Central and South America.
This is our history, but it's not a history we read about.
Antes de criticar, estudiá la NEFASTA HISTORIA de tú glorioso imperio británico.
Pampa

Argentina

#4 Feb 11, 2012
st george wrote:
It sounds like this cristina Fernandez is looking to make a name for herself no matter how many poor conscrips get killed .she is just another dictator .maybe britain should have carried on right through argentina last time they wanted a fight ,the only thing that she wants now is the oil that may be there .typical crazy latin american woman .There is no way britain will abandon the people of the falklands .Its one thing that we are united on .we lost too many men in the last conflict and will not let them die in vain .I for one am getting my kit ready for my posting there .We are waiting for another match ...england 1..argentina 0.....
Antes de criticar estudiá la nefasta historia de tú glorioso imperio británico, los genocidios, esclavitud, robos, hurtos, etc. en la cuarta parte del mundo. Siglo XXI Masacres de civiles en Irak, Afganistán, Libia, soldados británicos fotografiándose con cadáveres afganos e iraquíes como si fueran trofeos, adueñandose de sus recursos.

England 1???? jajaaaa!

ARGENTINA 4 (1806, 1807, 1842, 2 de abril de 1982)y en 1982 casi pierden toda la flota británica si la mayoría de las bombas que impactaron en sus buques hubieran explotado.

No te aflijas que algunos FIERROS MUY BUENOS tenemos para ustedes si se hacen los locos.
Malvinense1

Thornhill, Canada

#5 Feb 11, 2012
st george wrote:
It sounds like this cristina Fernandez is looking to make a name for herself no matter how many poor conscrips get killed .she is just another dictator .maybe britain should have carried on right through argentina last time they wanted a fight ,the only thing that she wants now is the oil that may be there .typical crazy latin american woman .There is no way britain will abandon the people of the falklands .Its one thing that we are united on .we lost too many men in the last conflict and will not let them die in vain .I for one am getting my kit ready for my posting there .We are waiting for another match ...england 1..argentina 0.....
Really? How did you get MAlvinas? By evicting the Argentine people living peacefully there.There were over 150 people,with over 2000 horses,over 10000 sheeps..and talking about imperialism...YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
Down with the brits imperialist!!
Pampa

Argentina

#6 Feb 11, 2012
Pero no te aflijas George, guerra no habrá, es muy dificil que Gran Bretaña se anime sola, perro que ladra no muerde.

Hay otras formas de perjudicar a Gran Bretaña en Malvinas tocandole el bolsillo que es lo que más les duelen a los británicos.
Bloqueándolos desde el continente y dejarlos aislados, producirles un caos económico que lo pueden hacer salir de las islas o les saldrá demasiado caro mantenerlas.
Gran Bretaña deberá gastar sumas exhorbitantes de dinero para mantener a las islas.
welllll

Albuquerque, NM

#7 Feb 11, 2012
because it was that time of the month, never never put female hormones in a position of power, look what it has done to hillary lolol
Claudio Antook

Argentina

#8 Feb 11, 2012
st george wrote:
It sounds like this cristina Fernandez is looking to make a name for herself no matter how many poor conscrips get killed .she is just another dictator .maybe britain should have carried on right through argentina last time they wanted a fight ,the only thing that she wants now is the oil that may be there .typical crazy latin american woman .There is no way britain will abandon the people of the falklands .Its one thing that we are united on .we lost too many men in the last conflict and will not let them die in vain .I for one am getting my kit ready for my posting there .We are waiting for another match ...england 1..argentina 0.....
Well, that´s the spirit!
Well done Georgy! it seems like you will enroll and come here to do your part! Of course, what moves you and the UK 14.000 miles away from your lacked of natural resources islands is only true and justice. It is the wellbeing of the people, not the oil, not the resources, just justice. Thanks god for sending them to south America!.
My advice to my fellows Argentines in this forum is that we have to learn and concentrate on the Argentine position at the UN. Which is, by the way, far more solid than our counterpart on this matter wants to believe. That is the reason because they need to demonstrate their colonialist war machinery, hoping we are going to drop our cause. As fascist as the UK is, declined imperial power that is still trying to solve issues not by justice or international law but by force.
They believed we are either afraid or insecure in our claim. They like to believe that we are afraid of a fourth invasion to our national territory. Well, keep trying. Send more ships; send the Queen for the islander’s amusement if you want. At the end it would not matter.
Moreover, my advice to you Georgy is not to fall any deeper for Mr. Cameron's lies about our intentions. It seems to me that the entire issue is used by his failing conservative government and the media to hide real problems in the UK. Unemployment, riots, lootering, etc?, concentrate on that my friend)
The UK have a gigantic catalog of half trues (half a true is a lie), deceives, and double standards to stall any productive discussion. It is just matter of time. Malvinas, as part of our national territory will be back to be controlled and administer by our government and not for a foreign “the facto” force.
Kinds regard from Argentina Georgy.
Take care, Claudio Antook.
Malvinense1

Thornhill, Canada

#9 Feb 11, 2012
Claudio Antook wrote:
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Well, that´s the spirit!
Well done Georgy! it seems like you will enroll and come here to do your part! Of course, what moves you and the UK 14.000 miles away from your lacked of natural resources islands is only true and justice. It is the wellbeing of the people, not the oil, not the resources, just justice. Thanks god for sending them to south America!.
My advice to my fellows Argentines in this forum is that we have to learn and concentrate on the Argentine position at the UN. Which is, by the way, far more solid than our counterpart on this matter wants to believe. That is the reason because they need to demonstrate their colonialist war machinery, hoping we are going to drop our cause. As fascist as the UK is, declined imperial power that is still trying to solve issues not by justice or international law but by force.
They believed we are either afraid or insecure in our claim. They like to believe that we are afraid of a fourth invasion to our national territory. Well, keep trying. Send more ships; send the Queen for the islander’s amusement if you want. At the end it would not matter.
Moreover, my advice to you Georgy is not to fall any deeper for Mr. Cameron's lies about our intentions. It seems to me that the entire issue is used by his failing conservative government and the media to hide real problems in the UK. Unemployment, riots, lootering, etc?, concentrate on that my friend)
The UK have a gigantic catalog of half trues (half a true is a lie), deceives, and double standards to stall any productive discussion. It is just matter of time. Malvinas, as part of our national territory will be back to be controlled and administer by our government and not for a foreign “the facto” force.
Kinds regard from Argentina Georgy.
Take care, Claudio Antook.
Asi es Claudio!
EL resultado: MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!
st george

Oldham, UK

#10 Feb 11, 2012
Malvinense1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? How did you get MAlvinas? By evicting the Argentine people living peacefully there.There were over 150 people,with over 2000 horses,over 10000 sheeps..and talking about imperialism...YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
Down with the brits imperialist!!
I think you are a bit out with your figures and your history .did you learn history through a fantasy book .
When britain took over the falklands it was unpopulated as it was a barren wasteland .we made a port there to repel the spanish who were murdering the native south americans and stealing and raping towns ,we succeded where others failed because britain is the greatest country on earth .thats why millions flock there to live .its because we dont have a dictator unlike argentina .and we have liberty and freedom .we will defend the falklands .
Antonio Sasso

Argentina

#11 Feb 11, 2012
st george wrote:
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I think you are a bit out with your figures and your history .did you learn history through a fantasy book .
When britain took over the falklands it was unpopulated as it was a barren wasteland .we made a port there to repel the spanish who were murdering the native south americans and stealing and raping towns ,we succeded where others failed because britain is the greatest country on earth .thats why millions flock there to live .its because we dont have a dictator unlike argentina .and we have liberty and freedom .we will defend the falklands .
Men, your history knowledge sure is deep! What else did you learn in that book of yours?(Public school I guess). Is that book also telling you guys all the good you are (as you were in the past) spreading on the globe? With comments like this one, you seem all not only retarded but misinformed and full of shit.
What make me smile is that you actually said "When britain took over the falklands"... took over from whom smart ass? Were not these islands "unpopulated"? And yes, you don´t have a "dictator", you have more a “clown like” as a Prime minister. Good thing, he make us laugh while make you suffer with your stall “only for few” economic policy!

Kind regards from Argentina.
Malvinense1

Thornhill, Canada

#12 Feb 11, 2012
st george wrote:
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I think you are a bit out with your figures and your history .did you learn history through a fantasy book .
When britain took over the falklands it was unpopulated as it was a barren wasteland .we made a port there to repel the spanish who were murdering the native south americans and stealing and raping towns ,we succeded where others failed because britain is the greatest country on earth .thats why millions flock there to live .its because we dont have a dictator unlike argentina .and we have liberty and freedom .we will defend the falklands .
YOU ARE A LIAR!!
Read some good book about the history of MAlvinas.There were 11 Spanish governors,some were born in Buenos Aires.Malvinas was a dependency of Buenos Aires.There is plenty of info in this site posted by Argentinas.AMlvinas is ONLY 350 NM,from Argentina.They were discovered(which is a Natural) by the Spaniards,going around Cabo de Hornos,to get to Peru,their main interest was for the Gold.Malvinas was discovered by Gomez,1520 and also stayed a few months.Maps by Ribero,sitting in France,dated 1530.Shut up IDIOT!
Argentina claimed them,as sucesssor from Spain,in 1816,sending a dully commisioned officer,Jewett to take MAlvinas in the name of the UNited Provinces of The River Plate.
"have liberty and freedom .we will defend the falklands " Die for it then.....Argentina is growing fast...
st george

Oldham, UK

#13 Feb 11, 2012
Well its been funny listening to the rants of the typical spanish /latin american comments .Will you give all the lands you stole from the indians and true south american inhabitants, will you give back all the gold .christina fernandas needs to go back to the rocky horror show ,she would be a hit with that face .too many lip suctions .
If you follow her you are as daft as when you followed every crack pot dictator you have ever had .
Why will you people not let the inhabitants of the FALKLANDS have self determination .they are the real reason why we are there to protect them ,let them decide .what are you all really after .we are trying to give them freedom not enslave them as you are trying to do .If you want to do something good in life try to put a sack over the womans head before she sprouts more crap .then again all you argies sprout crap .
Malvinense1

Thornhill, Canada

#14 Feb 11, 2012
st george wrote:
Well its been funny listening to the rants of the typical spanish /latin american comments .Will you give all the lands you stole from the indians and true south american inhabitants, will you give back all the gold .christina fernandas needs to go back to the rocky horror show ,she would be a hit with that face .too many lip suctions .
If you follow her you are as daft as when you followed every crack pot dictator you have ever had .
Why will you people not let the inhabitants of the FALKLANDS have self determination .they are the real reason why we are there to protect them ,let them decide .what are you all really after .we are trying to give them freedom not enslave them as you are trying to do .If you want to do something good in life try to put a sack over the womans head before she sprouts more crap .then again all you argies sprout crap .
PELOTUDO LIAR!!!Give the uk land back to the Irish and ROmans!!
st george

Castleton, UK

#15 Feb 12, 2012
Oh give the uk back to the romans ,that is sooo funny ,i am a britain by decent i can trace my name back a thousand years ,my family were britains and the romans pushed us into northumbria enslaving millions or murdering them .typical italian /spanish way of life as they did in south america against the incas . i live now in the north ,we take pride in england as its only the immigrants that cause bother .we are the chosen race . so the falklands are just a piece of land that god gave to us . we will protect it .end of story .now go and rob a blind cpipple
Malvinense1

Thornhill, Canada

#16 Feb 12, 2012
st george wrote:
Oh give the uk back to the romans ,that is sooo funny ,i am a britain by decent i can trace my name back a thousand years ,my family were britains and the romans pushed us into northumbria enslaving millions or murdering them .typical italian /spanish way of life as they did in south america against the incas . i live now in the north ,we take pride in england as its only the immigrants that cause bother .we are the chosen race . so the falklands are just a piece of land that god gave to us . we will protect it .end of story .now go and rob a blind cpipple
I am a decent Argentinian also.BTW the inca empire stopped in Argentina.They were in today's Peru,Bolivia(N pArt) and Ecuador....They were only 300000 natives in Argentina when the spaniards arrived and many died for new deceased brougth by them....
Malvinas,Argentina.We have people living there and uk does not have the proper tittles.....As the natives(which in Argentina they were nomads,they did not stay in a place..No complain,it is called adquistive prescription....Not applicable to malvinas,because of THE CONTINUOS PROPTEST,invitation to arbitration court(always rejected by uk),PELOTUDO!
Julio

Argentina

#17 Feb 12, 2012
st george wrote:
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I think you are a bit out with your figures and your history .did you learn history through a fantasy book .
When britain took over the falklands it was unpopulated as it was a barren wasteland .we made a port there to repel the spanish who were murdering the native south americans and stealing and raping towns ,we succeded where others failed because britain is the greatest country on earth .thats why millions flock there to live .its because we dont have a dictator unlike argentina .and we have liberty and freedom .we will defend the falklands .
That you are ignorant, study, investigate and report about the true story:

In 1982, the Dr. Beck picked them up in another book, The Anglo Argentine Dispute Over Title to the Falkland Island, Changing British Perceptions on Sovereignity since 1819, where you can see, for example, that in 1911 the Foreign Office held: "Argentina's position is not entirely unjustified [...] We can not easily carry out a valid claim and should wisely avoid an argument with Argentina on this topic.

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Julio

Argentina

#18 Feb 12, 2012
Two months before the 1982 conflict, the British historian Peter Beck revealed:

British historian Peter Beck, professor of International History at Kingston University, and author of The Falkland Islands as an International Problem ¸ revealed two months before the conflict in 1982 (Journal of International Studies and World Affairs, University of Miami, February 1982) that, according to internal documents of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the United Kingdom [the Foreign Office], the British occupation of the islands in 1833, was an act of force without the backing of international law. According to Dr. Beck, the analysis of the documents made &#8203;&#8203;in the early 20th century, the Foreign Office was opposed to international arbitration proposed by the Argentine government of Miguel Juárez Celman.

Dos meses antes del conflicto de 1982, el historiador británico Peter Beck reveló:

El historiador británico Peter Beck, profesor de Historia Internacional de la Universidad de Kingston, y autor del libro The Falkland Islands as an International Problem¸ había revelado dos meses antes del conflicto de 1982 (Journal of International Studies and World Affairs, University of Miami, February 1982) que, según documentos internos de la Secretaría de Asuntos Extranjeros del Reino Unido [el Foreign Office], la ocupación británica de las islas, en 1833, fue un acto de fuerza sin respaldo en el derecho internacional. De acuerdo con el Dr. Beck, el análisis de los documentos hizo que, a principios del siglo 20, el Foreign Office se opusiera al arbitraje internacional propuesto por el gobierno argentino de Miguel Juárez Celman.

http://www.elhistoriador.com.ar
elhistoriador@elhistoriador.co m.ar
http://www.carasycaretas.org
http://www.terragno.org.ar/pdfs/Proy...20Malv ...
Julio

Argentina

#19 Feb 12, 2012
st george wrote:
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I think you are a bit out with your figures and your history .did you learn history through a fantasy book .
When britain took over the falklands it was unpopulated as it was a barren wasteland .we made a port there to repel the spanish who were murdering the native south americans and stealing and raping towns ,we succeded where others failed because britain is the greatest country on earth .thats why millions flock there to live .its because we dont have a dictator unlike argentina .and we have liberty and freedom .we will defend the falklands .
Agreement signed in Madrid in July 1670, the King of England would retain the lands of North America to islands and ports until then owned, or more than that NO, and the subjects of Great Britain will not commercialize, or navigate the area that the king of Spain had from the Caribbean to the South Seas.

Signed in Madrid in 1713, at the beginning, where Her Majesty forbade his subjects to move to the South Seas, or traffic in other places some of the Spanish Indies.
Ie in 1713 is ratified in 1670 which had been signed, but the agreements did not prevent the English continue entering the dominions of Spain.
The disputes led to two wars, one in 1718 and another in 1739, each time you sign the peace was returning to the principles of Utrecht.

Each time the war ended a peace was signed and put conditions, then it happened that the treaty was signed in Madrid, the Utrecht the most important of all, and that then, England, always largaba stitches and knot. And he said the following, we will sign treaties, but as long as Spain recognizes British sovereignty over the territories which are in North America at the time of the occupation made. In return England to undertake to prevent British subjects to navigate the South Atlantic ports and land and respect that corresponded to the West Indies from Spain, and always turned on the same, the same, and signed treaties, England signed it, asked good faith, but "never met".

Un acuerdo firmado en Madrid en julio de 1670, el Rey de Inglaterra conservaría las tierras del norte de América con islas y puertos hasta entonces poseída, es decir más que eso NO, y los súbditos de Gran Bretaña no comercializarán, ni navegarán la zona que el Rey de España tenía desde el Caribe hasta los mares del sur.

Después de la guerra de la sucesión en España, en esa guerra interviene Inglaterra, Francia, España y Holanda, hasta que se logra una paz y se firma en Madrid en 1713, al comienzo, donde su majestad británica prohibía a sus súbditos a pasar a los mares del sur, ni a traficar en otros parajes algunos de las indias españolas.
Es decir en 1713 está ratificado lo que en 1670 se habían firmado, pero los acuerdos no impidieron a los ingleses seguir penetrando en los dominios de España. Las disputas provocaron dos guerras, una en 1718 y la otra en 1739, cada vez que se firmaba la paz se volvía a los principios de Utrecht.

Cada vez que se terminaba una guerra se firmaba la paz y se ponían condiciones, entonces ocurría que se firmaba el tratado de Madrid, el de Utrecht el más importante de todos, y ahí entonces, Inglaterra, siempre largaba puntadas y con nudo. Y decía lo siguiente, nosotros vamos a firmar tratados, pero siempre y cuando España reconozca la soberanía inglesa sobre los territorios que están en América del Norte al momento de la ocupación hecha. A cambio de eso Inglaterra se comprometerá a prohibir a los súbditos ingleses a navegar por el Atlántico sur y respetar puertos y tierras que correspondían a las indias occidentales de España, y siempre se giró sobre lo mismo, lo mismo, y se firmaban tratados, Inglaterra lo firmaba, pedía buena fe, pero “nunca lo cumplió”.

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st george

Rochdale, UK

#20 Feb 12, 2012
Maybe i should be asking for compensation for the death of my forefather who died as a result of gunshot wounds caused by a spanish soldier who shot him in the back when he was trying to help a fallen comrade but then we all know about the argentinians who hold white flags up and then shoot the enemy who accept the flag and are ready for the surrender .thats why we would never accept any documents signed or otherwise by argentina .they arent worth the paper they are signed on .you argies only want the falklands because you lazy people are like parasites and want what someone else has built .

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