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May 11, 2008

Capitalists, Genetic Tests and Your DNA

Everyone knows there is a lot of crazy stuff on the internet, there is a lot of great writing about genes, genetics, and human diseases and, believe it or not, sometimes these pieces are written by people who know what they're talking about. If you're looking for what's new in human genetics, you've come to the right place.

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May 11, 2008
 
I'm interested in the personalized genetics tests, mostly because I got a business plan from a group wanting to start a company doing it. Yeah, they want to compete with a company founded by the wife of a Google guy. It had better be some great gimmick to overcome that.
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In theory I'm for genetic testing, except how do you prevent insurance companies from using this information to refuse insurance to "illnesses wating to happen" people? Until this question is resolved I would NEVER submit to genetic testing.

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May 12, 2008
 
For Testing ---If wrote:
In theory I'm for genetic testing, except how do you prevent insurance companies from using this information to refuse insurance to "illnesses wating to happen" people? Until this question is resolved I would NEVER submit to genetic testing.
Simple: you make them give insurance to anyone, unless they show that a person is a bad risk because of other injuries in their past.
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May 12, 2008
 
I think every person should file a copyright on a sample of their DNA from birth, and then issue permissions for it’s use as you see fit. It should be protected property just like anything else with value. Every condition has to be treated and paid for, whether covered by insurance or not. It may be that traditional insurance will be obsolete and some form of pre-paid medical expense account, like a medical use IRA will replace it. Early detection can lead to more affordable treatment and a shift in payment directly for medical expense instead of insurance.

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Life was sooo much simpler before genetics and insurance! If you got sick or injured, you went to the doctor, he fixed you up, you paid him and he sent you home. You got better or you died, and you didn't have to mess with getting permission or all that paperwork. And the best part is that lawyers weren't involved unless they were the injured party.
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May 12, 2008
 
Cash wrote:
I'm interested in the personalized genetics tests, mostly because I got a business plan from a group wanting to start a company doing it. Yeah, they want to compete with a company founded by the wife of a Google guy. It had better be some great gimmick to overcome that.
Be careful what you wish for. Ever read "Next" by Michael Crichton? Fiction, yes. Possible, also yes. Scary, very.

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May 12, 2008
 
For me genetic testing is a dilemma. Both of my brothers are deceased. My mother has Alzeheimer's (or you could call it dementia...the only way to differentiate is via a post mortem autopsy). Three of her sisters went bonkers too. My father is still alive, and there is no history of dementia on his side.
So does one, pay for gene testing to see if you are predisposed or just live life as it happens?
Bet on rouge or on noir? I haven't a clue.
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May 12, 2008
 
too droll to troll wrote:
For me genetic testing is a dilemma. Both of my brothers are deceased. My mother has Alzeheimer's (or you could call it dementia...the only way to differentiate is via a post mortem autopsy). Three of her sisters went bonkers too. My father is still alive, and there is no history of dementia on his side.
So does one, pay for gene testing to see if you are predisposed or just live life as it happens?
Bet on rouge or on noir? I haven't a clue.
I think the real question, for you, is: if you submit to gene testing, are the results going to change the way you live your life?

Even if you don't have any of those genes, you could still get hit by a truck.
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[???], capitalist, Government, Military:{ HA HA HA }!.

Building the perfect "" MORONS along with the new and ~~` Improved~~ ""IDIOT" ~~Battalions/``Brigades!.

~*Vane*~ is the operatable "" Motif""! here : every last One of them{ capitalist, government, Military so forth}: are so busy with Practicing there own `self `serving `; selfish "" Vanity"!.

*They are only going to send themself back to their true ~~MISSING"" `*LINK*`!, That they are: ""DECEDENTS** OF !! ; A "" Marriage~*!, GONE Bad Betwix `*Cro`magnons"" and `*Neanderthals""!??.

~~*And the WORLD will be a BETTER Place!.
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May 12, 2008
 
a few years ago there was a pow wow in the insurance industry on the issue,one plan is to exempt the pre-disposition and offer a saving type plan with the policy for the isolated risk. years ago I turned down investing in cell phones,this time my money will be on this winner,it will save lives,and allow you to plan for the future,this has been a long time coming,you can't expect a bookmaker to take your bet on a one horse race

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May 12, 2008
 
Once-ler wrote:
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I think the real question, for you, is: if you submit to gene testing, are the results going to change the way you live your life?
Even if you don't have any of those genes, you could still get hit by a truck.
Yes!
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May 12, 2008
 
too droll to troll wrote:
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Yes!
Yes you would change your life, or yes, you agree?

If the former, how? How would you live differently?

I'm curious because, when I had my kids the docs wanted to do some alpha test or something (it's been awhile) to test for birth defects. He said if the results wouldn't change anything, then he didn't recommend the test. I didn't have it done.

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Once-ler wrote:
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Yes you would change your life, or yes, you agree?
If the former, how? How would you live differently?
I'm curious because, when I had my kids the docs wanted to do some alpha test or something (it's been awhile) to test for birth defects. He said if the results wouldn't change anything, then he didn't recommend the test. I didn't have it done.
After my parents pass, I am the last of the tribe, if you will. I have already drawn a will that gives everything to a specific charity with provisions that it be in the form of a trust.
If I were to find out that I was predisposed to some of the stuff that my mother presents with, I would live my life a little more fully and travel more.
Selfish? No! Since my brothers died ( a suicide for one and an heart attack, while mountain climbling, for the other), I have done as much, if not more so, for my parents, aged 94 and 89 respectively. Most folk would walk away from that scenario. None of all this has been easy, the loss of brothers, the declining health of one's parents.
So...I want to recoup some of my life, which I have given so unselfishly to others.
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too droll to troll wrote:
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After my parents pass, I am the last of the tribe, if you will. I have already drawn a will that gives everything to a specific charity with provisions that it be in the form of a trust.
If I were to find out that I was predisposed to some of the stuff that my mother presents with, I would live my life a little more fully and travel more.
Selfish? No! Since my brothers died ( a suicide for one and an heart attack, while mountain climbling, for the other), I have done as much, if not more so, for my parents, aged 94 and 89 respectively. Most folk would walk away from that scenario. None of all this has been easy, the loss of brothers, the declining health of one's parents.
So...I want to recoup some of my life, which I have given so unselfishly to others.
I don't mean to be nosy...but why don't you live your life more fully now?

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Once-ler wrote:
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I don't mean to be nosy...but why don't you live your life more fully now?
What do you mean by more fully? What is fullness or being satiated?
I really hate these sort of blogs because they end up being chest-thumping ego trips, and I abhor them.
Perhaps my happiness for now is sitting by the creek that courses through my farm and watching the herons, or muskrats or seeing the illusive woodcocks swirling through the air in their aerial mating dance. Or just meditating and letting the creek sounds clear my mind of clutter.
Perhaps for you, given that you have family, your joy comes from all that. Which is good and admirable.
For me ( and forget about the when are the martinis served?...which I haven't touched in many, many years), I get great pleasure in just enjoying nature, appreciating it, listening to the water flow, listening to the song birds, watching a fawn wobble along the path.
If I had children I'd delight in teaching them that which I studied quite well...Latin, Greek, French, Spanish, Italian and Portuguese as well as the arts and music.
So, for the time being I teach others in those things as well as healing in Chinese modalities that defy Western knowledge.
And for all that, I ask no remuneration. Not in my spirit, not in my upbringing. But it does bring happiness and fulfillment.
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May 13, 2008
 
too droll to troll wrote:
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What do you mean by more fully? What is fullness or being satiated?
I really hate these sort of blogs because they end up being chest-thumping ego trips, and I abhor them.
Perhaps my happiness for now is sitting by the creek that courses through my farm and watching the herons, or muskrats or seeing the illusive woodcocks swirling through the air in their aerial mating dance. Or just meditating and letting the creek sounds clear my mind of clutter.
Perhaps for you, given that you have family, your joy comes from all that. Which is good and admirable.
For me ( and forget about the when are the martinis served?...which I haven't touched in many, many years), I get great pleasure in just enjoying nature, appreciating it, listening to the water flow, listening to the song birds, watching a fawn wobble along the path.
If I had children I'd delight in teaching them that which I studied quite well...Latin, Greek, French, Spanish, Italian and Portuguese as well as the arts and music.
So, for the time being I teach others in those things as well as healing in Chinese modalities that defy Western knowledge.
And for all that, I ask no remuneration. Not in my spirit, not in my upbringing. But it does bring happiness and fulfillment.
I am not on a chest-thumping ego-trip. Living life more fully was your phrase, not mine. I am just curious about why people act the way they do and why people are happy or unhappy.

Yes I have a family and at 42, I'm exactly where I want to be. I have one more personal goal of hiking the entire Appalachian Trail, and a plethora of minor goals.

However, my point to all this, and to get back to the original article, is that if I found out that my life span just got shortened by 20 or 30 years, I would not change anything. Therefore it would be pointless to find out.

I will quit bugging you now. Sorry for the intrusion.
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