The President of the Hellenic Republic on the FYROM Name Issue

United Macedonians wrote:

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In reference to this specific map of Macedonia, modern FYROM is part of it. However, the Slavs then did not live in the region. Someone else could produce a map of Alexander's empire and claim by the same argument that Macedonia is now a new country in Iraq.
But just for the sake of it, let's take this argument then, that if someone resides a long time in another people's country hundreds of years after that people lived in that country, they can be called by that people's name. What other examples do we have?
Arabs invaded Tunisia centuries after the Carthaginians had lived there. Do they call themselves today Carthaginians?
The Moors invaded Spain centuries after the Romans, Vandals, Iberians, Phoenicians and Greeks lived there. Did they call themselves by any of these former peoples’ names? The Normans invaded England centuries after it was part of the Roman Empire. Did they choose to call themselves Roman Empire – and even call for the reunification of all Roman Empire under a rule from London? This reunification argument is pervasive in FYROM schoolbooks and was also insinuated a few days ago by Nikola Gruevski in Australia, even if it is not your own view. But even if we forget about unifying ancient empires, do we have other examples where a people moves into an area that in the past belonged to an ancient kingdom of a different ethnicity (Babylonians, Sumerians, Hittites, Scythians, Goths, etc) and take on the name of that different ethnicity?
Nevertheless, if all people in your country presented cool-headed arguments like you do, things could be different. However, if a new country was created and I happened to be a citizen of it, I would like to see that my country proceeds with wisdom not overstating its national or ethnic identity not inventing grandiose ideas about a glorious past empire, a God that speaks to his chosen people, politicians that erect statues of size and relevance inversely proportional to the country’s situation. I would like to see that my countrymen work to set solid foundations for the future and for the future generations. Honestly I would be ashamed to find out that several Greek governments several generations back had claimed they were the real Roman Empire or British Empire, descended from King Arthur or Julius Caesar, even though nobody spoke a word of Latin, English or whatever, built Stalinesque statues of Queen Boadicea and went about in international fora and embassies on a mission to convince the world that they should be recognized as the real Brits, that the British minorities were being persecuted by our neighbours who should be punished and issued schoolbooks of the Old Empire (whether British or Roman) with its capital in Kavala. What kind of future for a country can be built on this?

Shiro Hima wrote:

grease sucks

NJGirl72 wrote:

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What do you have against grease? I personally think it's pretty cool and versatile; you can fry food in it, lubricate mechanical parts with it, and it's environimentally friendly as it can be recycled. What's not to like?

Shiro Hima wrote:

<quoted text>grease (greece) sucks.

United Macedonians wrote:

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In reference to this specific map of Macedonia, modern FYROM is part of it. However, the Slavs then did not live in the region. Someone else could produce a map of Alexander's empire and claim by the same argument that Macedonia is now a new country in Iraq.
But just for the sake of it, let's take this argument then, that if someone resides a long time in another people's country hundreds of years after that people lived in that country, they can be called by that people's name. What other examples do we have?
Arabs invaded Tunisia centuries after the Carthaginians had lived there. Do they call themselves today Carthaginians?
The Moors invaded Spain centuries after the Romans, Vandals, Iberians, Phoenicians and Greeks lived there. Did they call themselves by any of these former peoples’ names? The Normans invaded England centuries after it was part of the Roman Empire. Did they choose to call themselves Roman Empire – and even call for the reunification of all Roman Empire under a rule from London? This reunification argument is pervasive in FYROM schoolbooks and was also insinuated a few days ago by Nikola Gruevski in Australia, even if it is not your own view. But even if we forget about unifying ancient empires, do we have other examples where a people moves into an area that in the past belonged to an ancient kingdom of a different ethnicity (Babylonians, Sumerians, Hittites, Scythians, Goths, etc) and take on the name of that different ethnicity?
Nevertheless, if all people in your country presented cool-headed arguments like you do, things could be different. However, if a new country was created and I happened to be a citizen of it, I would like to see that my country proceeds with wisdom not overstating its national or ethnic identity not inventing grandiose ideas about a glorious past empire, a God that speaks to his chosen people, politicians that erect statues of size and relevance inversely proportional to the country’s situation. I would like to see that my countrymen work to set solid foundations for the future and for the future generations. Honestly I would be ashamed to find out that several Greek governments several generations back had claimed they were the real Roman Empire or British Empire, descended from King Arthur or Julius Caesar, even though nobody spoke a word of Latin, English or whatever, built Stalinesque statues of Queen Boadicea and went about in international fora and embassies on a mission to convince the world that they should be recognized as the real Brits, that the British minorities were being persecuted by our neighbours who should be punished and issued schoolbooks of the Old Empire (whether British or Roman) with its capital in Kavala. What kind of future for a country can be built on this?

NJGirl72 wrote:

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What makes you say that?

Thanasi wrote:

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Modern Greeks have evolved from being Rumeliots in 1800 to embracing the notion of a Hellenic ideology in recent years. How is this any different from what Macedonians are doing to create their identity today. No one in the Macedonian areas of the Balkans can be denied association with Ancient Macedonia. They are all offspring of this ancient heritage regardless of language or religion.

nestgoat wrote:

anyone knows the meaning of " the week of the eleventh", Could you explain it to me in another way? the 11th week of the year or the week in November? thank you for your kind help!

Thanasi wrote:

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Modern Greeks have evolved from being Rumeliots in 1800 to embracing the notion of a Hellenic ideology in recent years. How is this any different from what Macedonians are doing to create their identity today. No one in the Macedonian areas of the Balkans can be denied association with Ancient Macedonia. They are all offspring of this ancient heritage regardless of language or religion.

Thanasi wrote:

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Modern Greeks have evolved from being Rumeliots in 1800 to embracing the notion of a Hellenic ideology in recent years. How is this any different from what Macedonians are doing to create their identity today. No one in the Macedonian areas of the Balkans can be denied association with Ancient Macedonia. They are all offspring of this ancient heritage regardless of language or religion.

NJGirl72 wrote:

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It means the week in November that the 11th happens to fall within.

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Thanasi wrote:

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Modern Greeks have evolved from being Rumeliots in 1800 to embracing the notion of a Hellenic ideology in recent years. How is this any different from what Macedonians are doing to create their identity today. No one in the Macedonian areas of the Balkans can be denied association with Ancient Macedonia. They are all offspring of this ancient heritage regardless of language or religion.

United Macedonians wrote:

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By the way, what do the modern FYROMians have to do with the ancient Macedonians? I think I covered that but please if something was not clear let's go over it. When did the former have anything to do with the later? They are offspring of the ancient heritage? How? They are probably more related to the Chinese.

DARDAN wrote:

<quoted text>are they heavy,my poor thing

Thanasi wrote:

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It's in the DNA!

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BOREC wrote:

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hahahaaaa...
GUPTIN....I know you have NOTHING to offer to anyone, especially knowledge!
BUT LET'S LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT YOURSELVES WHILLE YOU ARE HERE, again and again from THE MAKEDONCI your ancient teachers and conquers!
But DUDUKS like you it’s hard to ever make a progress!