Health insurance reform bill OK'd in House

Gab wrote:

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The only time anyone will go to jail is if they don't pay the fines for not supporting Obamacare.
This is a big part of this reform.
It's estimated that 38 billion dollars a year will be collected in fines.
They'll need it,considering how many more people will be on the gov't. payroll.
He will credit this reform to the stimulus bill and will be praised for creating the jobs he promised it would.
Pelosi,along with Obama,should be drawn and quartered for this.

And with fines up to $3800 ? Can and would people pay up ? Lets put them in jail and the taxpayers foot the bill for jail medical, clothing, food and shelter. Better build some more jail space ! Not to mention the additional welfare cost for the jailed man's family because daddy is in jail for not being able to pay the fine so he can't work at all. This is not America this is downright communisum and liberal bullying and it must be stopped.

Mike wrote:

<quoted text>And with fines up to $3800 ? Can and would people pay up ? Lets put them in jail and the taxpayers foot the bill for jail medical, clothing, food and shelter. Better build some more jail space ! Not to mention the additional welfare cost for the jailed man's family because daddy is in jail for not being able to pay the fine so he can't work at all. This is not America this is downright communisum and liberal bullying and it must be stopped.

The fines are most upsettin to me. It is basically forcing health insurance on a person by gunpoint.

PoliticalQueen wrote:

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The fines are most upsettin to me. It is basically forcing health insurance on a person by gunpoint.

I guess thats what mandatory means.
But if you're a gov't. or union employee,you don't have to worry,those rules won't apply to you.
Sounds fair,right?

Tomorrow wrote:

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No brotherhood here. Just an American citizen that hates the muslims and all they stand for. This includes your president, I hate his ways.

You are not any true American. You are a zombie, a puppet of corporate welfare. What you hate, the real America has embraced, and still does. You can lie and try and steal more and more. You can try and fool others by rewriting history. You can foment race hatred and war, like your Aryan brothers do, but you are a loser. A loser. And Amercia hates losers...like you.

If you cannot grasp this then you are even stupider then your puppetmasters at Fox believe you to be. You know what you should do. LEAVE AMERICA BEFORE WE FORCE YOU INTO THE NUTHOUSE where you and your other teabagger psychos belong.

Gab wrote:

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I guess thats what mandatory means.
But if you're a gov't. or union employee,you don't have to worry,those rules won't apply to you.
Sounds fair,right?

I have been on both sides of the equation here. I have been insuranceless in need of free clinics and payment plans. I have been on medicaid at one point. And now I am on a goverment plan TriCare through my husband's job a soldier. I didn't support this type of reform then or now. The reforms in healthcare we need are not going to be solved by this bill.

what goes up wrote:

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You are not any true American. You are a zombie, a puppet of corporate welfare. What you hate, the real America has embraced, and still does. You can lie and try and steal more and more. You can try and fool others by rewriting history. You can foment race hatred and war, like your Aryan brothers do, but you are a loser. A loser. And Amercia hates losers...like you.
If you cannot grasp this then you are even stupider then your puppetmasters at Fox believe you to be. You know what you should do. LEAVE AMERICA BEFORE WE FORCE YOU INTO THE NUTHOUSE where you and your other teabagger psychos belong.

TFF

A poster named "Tomorrow" wrote: "Just an American citizen that hates the muslims and all they stand for. This includes your president, I hate his ways."

For those that have a problem with the above sentiment, please read the Constitution. Free speech and expression are protected, and the above citation fits under that umbrella also.

Thank GOD that free speech STILL LIVES!!

And going down in the Senate ....

Next .....

From Sarah in Van Nuys, CA: "You (Southerners) are lucky the Northern states drag you along. You guys ain't got nothing, ain't worth nothing."

Actually, Sarah, it's the SOUTHERN states dragging the Northerners along. Many a company that used to be HQ'd in New York, California, the Midwest, or any other "blue" state... have since chosen lower-tax, more-amenable-to-business states like Tennessee, Georgia(my baby brother and his family moved from Buffalo to the Atlanta area), the Carolinas, and Texas as their base of operations. That's where many of America's jobs can be found.

It was said, after the Civil War, that "the South shall rise again." They HAVE risen again, and they're KICKING THE NORTHERN STATES' COLLECTIVE A__!

As for the "we oughta sell all y'all to Mexico" comment... that's right back, Sarah, at you and California. Maybe if we wouldn't let the modern Hollywood culture dominate so much of our national identity, we'd be a lot better off as a nation.

Oh bummer wrote:

And going down in the Senate ....
Next .....

Yep, this so-called "health-care-reform" will go down to defeat in the Senate. Not even Al Franken("I'm not a US Senator; I just play one on TV.") can change that outcome.

Marcy Winograd wrote:

I am hopeful that one day in the next few years California will lead the way in getting a waiver from the Secretary of Labor to implement a Medicare for All plan, otherwise known as single-payer health care, the most efficient and economical approach, whereby we all pay into a single fund that allows us the freedom to choose our own doctor, without the fear that if we change jobs or move to be closer to a loved one we will lose our health care coverage.
Our veterans have single-payer health care. Our seniors have it. I don't know anyone who would trade in their Medicare card.
As my friend often says, "What health care does a health insurance company provide?" Absolutely zero.
I agree with the Democrats who recognize the urgency in addressing the current crisis - 90-million Americans uninsured or under-insured in the richest country in the world. The Medicare for All system allocates 3-5% of its costs for administration; health insurance companies spend 30 cents out of every dollar we pay them to police our claims, denying 25% of the claims we submit.
Under the best scenario, the Senate would pass an amendment to the health insurance reform bill that would grant states a waiver to enact single-payer health care. States should have the freedom to improve whatever plan Congress enacts.
As for the plan before us now, the downside is the Stupak amendment, which would ban any abortion coverage under a public option, yet require women to buy/opt-in to that coverage. The upside of the current bill is that it would expand health care coverage to 36 million people over the next decade and prohibit insurance companies from denying coverage because of pre-existing medical conditions. That is progress.
Should this bill pass, we will need very strict oversight and regulation of the insurance industry -- and we will need courageous lawmakers who will not be afraid to buck the lobbyists to protect the people.

Thanks, Marcy! You have won my vote!

And I will do whatever i can to make sure you are elected.

Yes you can!

PoliticalQueen wrote:

I am surprised that all of these ardent Obama supporters who have obviously read all 2000 some pages of the bill, have no clue how bad healthcare would be under this bill. It is my personal hope they are aquianted with every single one of the multitude of committees as they seek medical treatment. That those committees take their time deciding if certain procedures are truly a benefit to those asking for them. Or if they are just trivial procedures. Maybe, all they need are a few pain pills right? Then weeks after the patients have asked for the procedure they will be given the mandate if the government healthcare will pay for it, and if they are worth that money. In essence I hope the people who support this bill are emerged in the bureaucratic hell it entails.

Why can't wingnuts spell? Is our wingnuts learning?

Dear Lloyd in Lockup:

Fine, cowboy. Please secede from the Union. NOW! And take all teh reds with ya'.

You get can take Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.

We get Intel, Apple, Google, HP and Microsoft. You get Enron.

We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You
get Alabama.

We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of
single moms.

Please be aware that we are pro-choice and anti-war,
and we want all our citizens back from Iraq.

If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're
apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they
don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets
coming home.

We do wish you success in your wars , and hope that the Cheney's WMDs turn up someday, but
we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

The Blue States have firm control of 80 percent of
the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and
lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of
America's quality wines, 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech
industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias
and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Stanford, Berkeley,
Cal Tech, Princeton, Yale, and MIT.

The Red States, on the other hand, have to cope with 88
percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92
percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90
percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually
100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University,
Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of you freaks in the Red states believe Jonah was
actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless
we're discussing the war, the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent
say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent say that Saddam was involved in
9/11 and 61 percent of you crazies believe you are people with
higher morals then we lefties.

Finally, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed
they grow in Mexico.

Peace out,

Blue State Sarah

Marcy Winograd, is more SOCIALIST than Obama or Pelosi. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Sarah, you crack me up!!

Highest regards,

Henry

Sarah wrote:

Dear Lloyd in Lockup:
Fine, cowboy. Please secede from the Union. NOW! And take all teh reds with ya'.
You get can take Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.
We get Intel, Apple, Google, HP and Microsoft. You get Enron.
We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.
We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You
get Alabama.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of
single moms.
Please be aware that we are pro-choice and anti-war,
and we want all our citizens back from Iraq.
If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're
apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they
don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets
coming home.
We do wish you success in your wars , and hope that the Cheney's WMDs turn up someday, but
we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.
The Blue States have firm control of 80 percent of
the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and
lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of
America's quality wines, 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech
industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias
and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Stanford, Berkeley,
Cal Tech, Princeton, Yale, and MIT.
The Red States, on the other hand, have to cope with 88
percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92
percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90
percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually
100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University,
Clemson and the University of Georgia.
We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
Additionally, 38 percent of you freaks in the Red states believe Jonah was
actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless
we're discussing the war, the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent
say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent say that Saddam was involved in
9/11 and 61 percent of you crazies believe you are people with
higher morals then we lefties.
Finally, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed
they grow in Mexico.
Peace out,
Blue State Sarah

DEAL!! BTW,we got Pantex and Oak Ridge...piss off and glow in the dark!

Sarah wrote:

Dear Lloyd in Lockup:
Fine, cowboy. Please secede from the Union. NOW! And take all teh reds with ya'.
You get can take Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.
We get Intel, Apple, Google, HP and Microsoft. You get Enron.
We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.
We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You
get Alabama.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of
single moms.
Please be aware that we are pro-choice and anti-war,
and we want all our citizens back from Iraq.
If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're
apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they
don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets
coming home.
We do wish you success in your wars , and hope that the Cheney's WMDs turn up someday, but
we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.
The Blue States have firm control of 80 percent of
the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and
lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of
America's quality wines, 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech
industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias
and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Stanford, Berkeley,
Cal Tech, Princeton, Yale, and MIT.
The Red States, on the other hand, have to cope with 88
percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92
percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90
percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually
100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University,
Clemson and the University of Georgia.
We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
Additionally, 38 percent of you freaks in the Red states believe Jonah was
actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless
we're discussing the war, the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent
say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent say that Saddam was involved in
9/11 and 61 percent of you crazies believe you are people with
higher morals then we lefties.
Finally, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed
they grow in Mexico.
Peace out,
Blue State Sarah

Did you stank the bit mop?

South Bay Native wrote:

Marcy Winograd, is more SOCIALIST than Obama or Pelosi. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

That was Chimp & Cheney's running commentary for years. Be afraid. Be afraid of WMDs.

Look! The Terrorist Alert Level is Code Orange! Be afraid! Vote for me!

Be afraid! We need war to make peace! Be afraid!

Be afraid of regulating Wall Street! Be afraid!

Be afraid of people who look different than you! Be afraid!

Be afraid of people who have a different s-e-x-u-a-l orientation than you. Be afraid!

Republicans are always telling people to be afraid.

Be afraid of climate change legislation. Be afraid!

Be afraid of health care reform. Be afraid!

Be afraid and vote for a bought-by-big-business Republican. Be afraid!

It doesn't work any more, South Native. We are not afraid. We are brave and strong.

And we are going to fix this country.(Yes, we can.)

You can go hide in your closet with your basket of fears.

Or you can grab a mop and help out.

-Dr. Stone

Thanks, Sarah! You go girl!

Dear Lloyd in Lockup:

Fine, cowboy. Please secede from the Union. NOW! And take all teh reds with ya'.

You get can take Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.

We get Intel, Apple, Google, HP and Microsoft. You get Enron.

We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You
get Alabama.

We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of
single moms.

Please be aware that we are pro-choice and anti-war,
and we want all our citizens back from Iraq.

If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're
apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they
don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets
coming home.

We do wish you success in your wars , and hope that the Cheney's WMDs turn up someday, but
we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

The Blue States have firm control of 80 percent of
the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and
lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of
America's quality wines, 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech
industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias
and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Stanford, Berkeley,
Cal Tech, Princeton, Yale, and MIT.

The Red States, on the other hand, have to cope with 88
percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92
percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90
percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually
100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University,
Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of you freaks in the Red states believe Jonah was
actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless
we're discussing the war, the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent
say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent say that Saddam was involved in
9/11 and 61 percent of you crazies believe you are people with
higher morals then we lefties.

Finally, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed
they grow in Mexico.

Peace out,

Blue State Sarah

Sam Stone wrote:

<quoted text>
That was Chimp & Cheney's running commentary for years. Be afraid. Be afraid of WMDs.
Look! The Terrorist Alert Level is Code Orange! Be afraid! Vote for me!
Be afraid! We need war to make peace! Be afraid!
Be afraid of regulating Wall Street! Be afraid!
Be afraid of people who look different than you! Be afraid!
Be afraid of people who have a different s-e-x-u-a-l orientation than you. Be afraid!
Republicans are always telling people to be afraid.
Be afraid of climate change legislation. Be afraid!
Be afraid of health care reform. Be afraid!
Be afraid and vote for a bought-by-big-business Republican. Be afraid!
It doesn't work any more, South Native. We are not afraid. We are brave and strong.
And we are going to fix this country.(Yes, we can.)
You can go hide in your closet with your basket of fears.
Or you can grab a mop and help out.
-Dr. Stone

The fish thinks you are naive