Obama bypasses Congress on DREAM Act, stops deporting young illegals

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Aphelion wrote:

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The first flaw in your argument is that the minimum wage was not designed to raise a family on. These positions were primarily entry level and summer labor, they were not meant to be lifelong employment situations.
Fortunately for you, however is the fact that the government enforces any minimum wage law at all as there are many in this country who believe that it should be abolished. Once again you prop up the “it’s the rich” and “corporate greed” strawmen for your position. However without these individuals the losers attempting to live and raise families on minimum wage with have no income at all.
Bottom line is that if you want to earn more, take responsibility for your life, and educate yourself to rise above your current position. It is unconscionable that individuals in this country feel it is acceptable to live off the fruits of the labors of others. Those who are on the social programs, which subsidize their lives, are the true parasites in this country, not those who are productive and contribute. However you liberals never have and never will understand the principles of personal responsibility.

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<quoted text>Minimum wage doesn't afford independence for an individual if it doesn't come with health care coverage. I said "individual", not family. Take responsibility for recognizing that when jobs pay poverty level wages, taxpayers subsidize those people. Yes, people need to take responsibility, and those who put in forty hour work weeks (when they can find a job that hasn't been rolled back to "part-time" status) are not irresponsible. They are contributing their labor in exchange for self-support. When they cannot support a basic minimum standard of living, taxpayers will subsidize.
There's too much taxpayer subsidizing going on in America. There are too many minimum wage jobs that don't afford self-support. There are too many teens giving birth to babies that there is no way in h*ll they can support, and there are men in elected office who want to block access to free or low cost birth control and to force unwanted pregnancies among the poor to continue based on some personal moral considerations in spite of the unwillingness of teen mothers to have them. Once they have one they can't afford, what the heck. Have another. Then, these same men want to eliminate food stamps and welfare which would create hunger. Talk about hypocrites.

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Occupy This wrote:

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Again, you're ignoring economic reality. Call it what you like - a living wage or a minimum wage - the added cost of labor will be passed on to the consumer and it won't help anyone.
While your heart is bleeding consider why as well. Does America owe everyone a living wage? Or does America owe everyone an opportunity to suceed?
Should opportunity and success be sacrificed for all in an ineffective attempt to "spread the wealth around"?
I have a better idea. Let's get rid of the liberal control freaks who pretend they care about the people and just allow America to function as it was intended.
My way - the American Way - works best for the most. And that's the best anyone can ever hope for.

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DavidH64 wrote:

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Sure do away with "minimum wage" in lieu of a "living wage" that adjusts with inflation. BUT with that, abolish all welfare programs; food stamps, SS, medicare, medicaid, etc (not too include retired persons, and those with severe physical handicaps). In other words, if you are fit to work and under retirement age, you get zero welfare assistance. In return a better "living" wage.

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Anonymous of Indy wrote:

<quoted text>minimum wage is fell good legistlation.

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Bingo !

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Aphelion wrote:

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So you believe that it is equitable to raise the minimum wage thereby devaluing the incomes being earned by those who invested the time and money to achieve higher education to earn the higher wage? I know you seem a bit obtuse at times by surely you realize that just because they raise the minimum wage does not mean that everyone’s wages will increase. And you believe that this is fair to those who actually worked to achieve the wages that they are currently earning?

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NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>You need to try and catch up too. Just because some bozo calls someone a liberal, it doesn't mean they necessarily are. I AM a social liberal, but for purposes of this discussion, I am a fiscal conservative, not at all interested in the misuse of tax dollars. Today, we are dealing with corporate welfare that is 3X what we spend on social welfare, and that social welfare we do spend includes the fact that corporate America has found a way to make labor "cheap" - just not for taxpayers. In fact, their labor is cheaper off the backs of taxpayers. That's fiscally unacceptable. Record setting corporate profits that demand tax dollars is not fiscal conservatism. It's predatory capitalism, a bastardization of free market capitalism that provides the greatest good to the greatest number of participants.
If you had bothered to read any of the articles I posted about income inequality and the polarization of wealth in this country, you would surely realize that we live under plutocratic rule which is never a good thing for free market capitalism and opportunity.

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imagainstitwhateveritis wrote:

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just wondering "if[you]"
either runing for local office, a lobbyist or a political lawyer but definetly ground level politics? Wodering do you have answers for the tax,and immigration problems? If so whats the motive behind it, will you gain financial or personal? One does not speak their mind with indepth studies without a motive. "You" have study most of whats being discussed, its just not an oppinion (by all accounts of your knowledge,)or unless you just dont have a social life to speak of(I dont see you not having a social life.) I'd hire you if your a lawyer, as a political analyst or for that matter you have my vote to be the president of P.T.A
I'm humble enough to say I dont have answer, I wanna actually see EVERYTHING on the table and not with a hidden agenda while negotiating the future of this country.

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NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>I'm somebody's sister who watched him die broke after having his business stripped from him and five other American men who had worked in brick and mortar together for fifteen years by a contractor who shoved them aside for cheaper illegal labor from Mexico. You will never know what it feels like to look in the eyes of a good man that you love and see the question mark of "What did I do wrong, Sis?" and to see his dignity stripped from him coupled with the cancer that destroyed any hope he had of figuring out how to compete against that illegal labor.
I am somebody's mother whose son was turned away from our neighborhood school and told to go find someplace else to take this English speaking child because he didn't speak Armenian or Spanish and would be ostracized on the playground and have trouble in class. We paid a lot of school tax over the years for the insult.
I am somebody's grandma who is finishing her last year of college and will come out strapped with debt and hard pressed to be able to buy a home and have children she and her fiancee can't afford to raise until that debt is paid, and mother to another whose master's degree will cost more than four years of undergraduate education at a university did. She too, will be strapped again with debt.
I'm just like everybody else here who is trying to find answers and preserve opportunity for the younger generation. I do recognize that if American regulars don't do everything they can to help less fortunate Americans, we will all pay a huge price. I don't think anybody is better because they are richer and nobody lesser because they are not. I just don't believe your birth station should define you for life, because that is not what America is all about. I don't want to lose any smart kids using their potential simply because they were born to the "wrong" people. And, I don't want any idiots deciding our future simply because they were born to people of affluence.
My parents told me that if you worked hard and were dilligent, you could become anything you were inherently capable of being and create a better life and that we were blessed to be born in America. I believed them, and I did do that. I told my children the same thing. We're going to have to make some big changes if that promise is to be kept. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

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Here in Vegas wrote:

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TLDR

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NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>I'm somebody's sister who watched him die broke after having his business stripped from him and five other American men who had worked in brick and mortar together for fifteen years by a contractor who shoved them aside for cheaper illegal labor from Mexico. You will never know what it feels like to look in the eyes of a good man that you love and see the question mark of "What did I do wrong, Sis?" and to see his dignity stripped from him coupled with the cancer that destroyed any hope he had of figuring out how to compete against that illegal labor.
I am somebody's mother whose son was turned away from our neighborhood school and told to go find someplace else to take this English speaking child because he didn't speak Armenian or Spanish and would be ostracized on the playground and have trouble in class. We paid a lot of school tax over the years for the insult.
I am somebody's grandma who is finishing her last year of college and will come out strapped with debt and hard pressed to be able to buy a home and have children she and her fiancee can't afford to raise until that debt is paid, and mother to another whose master's degree will cost more than four years of undergraduate education at a university did. She too, will be strapped again with debt.
I'm just like everybody else here who is trying to find answers and preserve opportunity for the younger generation. I do recognize that if American regulars don't do everything they can to help less fortunate Americans, we will all pay a huge price. I don't think anybody is better because they are richer and nobody lesser because they are not. I just don't believe your birth station should define you for life, because that is not what America is all about. I don't want to lose any smart kids using their potential simply because they were born to the "wrong" people. And, I don't want any idiots deciding our future simply because they were born to people of affluence.
My parents told me that if you worked hard and were dilligent, you could become anything you were inherently capable of being and create a better life and that we were blessed to be born in America. I believed them, and I did do that. I told my children the same thing. We're going to have to make some big changes if that promise is to be kept. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

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imagainstitwhateveritis wrote:

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Understand everyone here has had something on some level have been effected by immagrants( may it be Mexican, Asian or other,) the fact that its that much closer and personal should make you that much more addament to question politicians. I sincerly regret for your lose of family members do to their untimely passing from cancer (for I have lost both my parents to this distructive disease 1988 mother and 2010 father) Please understand I'm not your enemy but one who question why if we talk and agree in a arena such as this, than why cant change for the betterment of this country? You must know by now we as "Americans" are becomming the minority and that has to change....

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NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>Nobody asked you to. I replied to a question from somebody else.

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Here in Vegas wrote:

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Can't you condense your wiki cut-n-paste?

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NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>If I used wiki cut-n-paste, I would. Can't you plug-in your thinking machine and flip the switch on?

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NTRPRNR1 wrote:

<quoted text>If I used wiki cut-n-paste, I would. Can't you plug-in your thinking machine and flip the switch on?

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<quoted text>You need to try and catch up too. Just because some bozo calls someone a liberal, it doesn't mean they necessarily are. I AM a social liberal, but for purposes of this discussion, I am a fiscal conservative, not at all interested in the misuse of tax dollars. Today, we are dealing with corporate welfare that is 3X what we spend on social welfare, and that social welfare we do spend includes the fact that corporate America has found a way to make labor "cheap" - just not for taxpayers. In fact, their labor is cheaper off the backs of taxpayers. That's fiscally unacceptable. Record setting corporate profits that demand tax dollars is not fiscal conservatism. It's predatory capitalism, a bastardization of free market capitalism that provides the greatest good to the greatest number of participants.

If you had bothered to read any of the articles I posted about income inequality and the polarization of wealth in this country, you would surely realize that we live under plutocratic rule which is never a good thing for free market capitalism and opportunity.