Crime and punishment: The burning of Henry Smith

Apr 18, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Corpus Christi Caller-Times

It was one of the most savage crimes in Texas history and led to one of the most barbaric cases of mob retribution ever inflicted.

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Just My Op wrote:
<quoted text>How could that bring closure? 30 years later, they most likely would still be greiving for their child and have to deal with their own inhumane, barbaric savage minds and actions.
That is not closure.
In todays society it would damn sure make me feel better. So you're saying in todays society if a man raped, tortured, and murdered your 3 year old child that you'd get more closure having the man live a long comfortable life in prison on your tax dollar than for you to be able to get even. Hey to each the own but I'm not that person. I'm not gonna burn no one its not my style but if its my child and I get to choose the punishment I'd want to be locked in a room with the guy and one of us aint walking out.
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In todays society it would damn sure make me feel better. So you're saying in todays society if a man raped, tortured, and murdered your 3 year old child that you'd get more closure having the man live a long comfortable life in prison on your tax dollar than for you to be able to get even. Hey to each the own but I'm not that person. I'm not gonna burn no one its not my style but if its my child and I get to choose the punishment I'd want to be locked in a room with the guy and one of us aint walking out.
Calm down.

I don't recall saying anything about today's society. Why is today's society any different in determining the meaning of evil?

Where did I say that I would get more closure in having a man live a long comfortable life in prison on my tax dollar?? Where did I say that?

I said, he would deserve death, remember??

Maybe you could live with the image of a man being set on fire after having his tounge and eyes burned out with hot pokers, but, I would have nightmares for the rest of my life.

That IS NOT closure in my book.
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<quoted text>Making a fool of herself for talking about something that happened decades ago???? Are you for real? I suppose you think history should not be talked about, the Bible's accounts of the flood and the creation should not be talked about, the Holocaust should not be talked about, slavery should not be talked about, the theft of native American's lands should not be talked about, the landing on the moon, the discovery of penicillin, athe declaration of independence, the civil war and much more.
Some things should never STOP being talked about. Americans need to remember all the atrocities as well as all the things we are proud of.
Personally, I hope we never forget them all. What a sad state of affairs that would be.
Learning history is one thing. Holding a grudge and expecting somebody to pay for something that happened 100 years ago is stupid.
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Just My Op wrote:
<quoted text>Could you have watched something so brutal and horrifying?
BTW- if you condone this type of savage , barbaric actions as being a deterrent to future similar crimes , then it makes sense that you would want to continue talking about it and never let anyone forget.
If you want to forget about it, it must mean you are disgusted by it and think it is sickening and something to be ashamed of.
The man deserved to die. There is no disagreement about that. But. putting a hot poke down someones throat and goughing out his eyes before setting him afire is beyond human comprehension.
So do you think the Black Panthers should be taken to task for placing a bounty on the head of George Zimmerman?
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Some " Southern gentlemen " , aka plantation owners, meted out some extremely cruel acts on slaves. Acts like chopping off a foot for trying to escape the inhumane treatment of his " master". Acts like selling one or all of their children to an equally mean " master". Like raping an innocent child or its mother. Like making a black child fan a resting white child to assure its comfort. Like whipping a child for " sassing". Like brutally whipping a black man to death as an example to others. Things like lynching a 14 year old boy for looking at a white woman.
Evil is evil. Regardless of who is doing it or the reasons why.
Maybe you should read the history of some men like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ghengis Kahn, Shaka Zulu and others. Then maybe you would recognise evil and the various forms it sometimes takes.
There is never an excuse for savage, evil , INHUMAN brutality.
Having done some study on the issue -- the atrocities against slaves that you describe weren't the norm. Slaves were valuable property -- in today's values, a young field hand would have carried the approximate value of a Cadillac. What man in his right mind would intentionally dent his Cadillac? What good would a field hand be without a foot? What would it profit the owner to damage his own property to the point that it was no longer useful to him?
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Just My Op wrote:
<quoted text>Making a fool of herself for talking about something that happened decades ago???? Are you for real? I suppose you think history should not be talked about, the Bible's accounts of the flood and the creation should not be talked about, the Holocaust should not be talked about, slavery should not be talked about, the theft of native American's lands should not be talked about, the landing on the moon, the discovery of penicillin, athe declaration of independence, the civil war and much more.
Some things should never STOP being talked about. Americans need to remember all the atrocities as well as all the things we are proud of.
Personally, I hope we never forget them all. What a sad state of affairs that would be.
"the theft of native American's lands"?

Were they the very first humans here?,...are you sure?, were you here?, how did 'they' come by it? I don't believe there was anyone here called "native Americans" way back then!, so how could they have had any land stolen?, and if you think it was, then you may not want to talk about the other things in history such as the landing on the moon, etc...etc... because all of that would have been done on stolen property and you wouldn't want to contribute to a bunch of criminals!
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Having done some study on the issue -- the atrocities against slaves that you describe weren't the norm. Slaves were valuable property -- in today's values, a young field hand would have carried the approximate value of a Cadillac. What man in his right mind would intentionally dent his Cadillac? What good would a field hand be without a foot? What would it profit the owner to damage his own property to the point that it was no longer useful to him?
The owner punished a runaway slave or a disobedient one to set an example for others. The slave would then be assigned to a job that he could do with his disability. The atrocities I describe happened more than anyone wants to admit.. Selling and buying on the slave market happened quite frequently. Whippings occurred periodically , even for the slightest thing. While it is true that most Planters ( my ancestor being one of them ) were not physically cruel to their slaves, it cannot be denied that the fact of " owning " one is in itself cruel.

BTW - I am quite familiar with the value that was put upon a slave.
Although, I didn't have anything to do with it, nor did any of my close relatives, I had a relative who had more slaves than most Planters. I am in possession of a copy of his will and I can tell you no slave EVER carried the approximate value of a cadillac.
That would be like saying, in todays market, a slave would bring - what -$30,000.00? Sheer nonsense.
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So do you think the Black Panthers should be taken to task for placing a bounty on the head of George Zimmerman?
Absolutly!!! I think the New Black Panthers - especially the one running his mouth about a bounty - should be charged with making a terroristic threat and locked up for life. placing a bounty on someones head is something someone like Saddam Hussein would do.

No question about it - Lock him up!!
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"the theft of native American's lands"?
Were they the very first humans here?,...are you sure?, were you here?, how did 'they' come by it? I don't believe there was anyone here called "native Americans" way back then!, so how could they have had any land stolen?, and if you think it was, then you may not want to talk about the other things in history such as the landing on the moon, etc...etc... because all of that would have been done on stolen property and you wouldn't want to contribute to a bunch of criminals!
B. Land Theft

The relationship between the land and Indian people is fundamental to their physical and cultural survival as distinct, autonomous groups. Indian land is constitutive of the Indian cultural identity and designative of the boundaries of the Indian cultural universe. Indian land transmits knowledge about history, links people to their ancestors, and provides a code of appropriate moral behavior. From the moment of first contact with European "discoverers," Indians proclaimed a sacred responsibility to preserve and transmit Indian land, and with it, identity, religion, and culture, to successive generations. The discharge of that responsibility was compromised by federal policies of land acquisition ranging from fraud and deceit to expropriation and outright theft.

The above was copied from a googled site. The Interior Dept made numerous treaties with Native Americans which were ultimately broken.

Study your history!

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This Simply a test

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A true journey of justice blinding itself to preserve
the rights of the unjust.
the bare facts which shall be elaborated on in detail
in future blogs.
My grandmother died, she appointed me as trustee of
her estate. In her estate was a parcel of land near Hope Arkansas. A disgruntled aunt attempted to sell this property in June "04" to a Johnny & Donna Porter
owners of a timber co., Millwood Corp.
In this transaction she supposedly composed n affidavit that killed off all heirs except herself,
including myself, even though others survive.
Because a will was not probated under Arkansas law in a timely manner intestate succession law was used
to construct the affidavit and a warranty deed. My
aunt does not have a high school education never the
less officials in Arkansas want me to believe that
she did create the affidavit (lawyers and judges have
difficulty understanding this area of law unless they
practice in it).
The documents are stamped prepared by a William
Randal Wright, now a Circuit Court Judge of Arkansas
Hempstead County Eighth Judicial District-North Division #1. I currently have a continued case #CV-05-42 sitting i Circuit Court Judges' Duncan
Culpepper's Court Division #2.
In June "09" my last Lawyer Joe Short of Hope Arkansas relieved himself from my case leaving me in a hardship situation. All subsequent attempts to retain representation in and around Arkansas all say
that I have a good case until they hear the nature of it and the parties involved.
Is this Justice ????. And can I expect to find any
Justice in Arkansas????.
Many more facts as well as the above mentioned which
can be documented and will be forth coming in blogs.

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Some over looked facts about this case

CHAPTER VII.
The Attitgde of the Cor'ored People of Paris and La- may CounQ in the Henry Smith AfJair.
As the reader will readily observe in the perusal of the letters given in these pages, much force is placed upon the fact that Henry Smith was a negro and was executed by whites. It is made the text of many a revolution of cranks in grinding out these same letters which appear in print only in this vol- ume. It is used against us by politicians and dema- gogue editors, who would try to impress the public that the negroes here, were thoroughly intimidated and that they dare not do otherwise than submit to the will of the mightier party. It is a fact in this case, that the negroes gave utterance to the most uncompromising language respecting what they would do, were Smith turned over to them.- They even felt that to some degree, it was a right due them, pub- licly to express in his execution by his own race, some notion of the outraged feelings which domi- nated them in view of his unprecedented crime. This chapter is designed to give the truth, confirmed by the published utterances of representative negroes themselves, and which have, heretofore, like many other potent elements in this case, been confined to a local expression, not having found their way into the Associated Press Dispatches which, when policy
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favors, can give news utterances any required bias without adequate means of answer by those who may be misrepresented by omissions of salient facts or by the willful distortion of facts. Suffice it to say, that had Henry Smith been surrendered to the colored people, the aggravation of the case would certainly not have been lessened in its en- actment. It could not, however, be thus ordered in the nature of the case, as the crime was not com- mitted upon a colored person, so the whites must set- tle the matter themselves, while the negroes, as our appended report shows, fully approve.
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forgive the typos above as I copied from a PDF file of the book this is from, and if the word not perfect the word is replaced with the computers best guess.
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The book is available online from the library of congress BTW.

THE FACTS IN THE CASE
OF THE
HORRIBLE MURDER
LITTLE MYRTLE VANCE
AND ITS
FEARWUL EXPIATION
At Paris Texas, February 1st 1893
WITH PHOTOGRAPHIC ILLUSTRATIONS.
Published for the Benefit of the Family s of HENRY VANCE.

PUBLISHED BY P L. JAMES,
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THE FACTS IN THE CASE. z 'l
regret that one of the most diabolical crimes that ever happened in the history of civilization was committed in our city during the early hours of Thursday even- ing in the abduction or kidnapping of a little girl- child, not yet four years old, from the gate of its parents, and
Whereas, On yesterday, after much searching, the said child was found in Gibbons' pasture on the out- skirts of the city, dead, mutilated, outraged, and pre- senting a scene that would arouse the soul and indig- nation of any man, and
Whereas, I t is with a sense of sorrow and chagrin, we acknowledge that one of our race committed the deed.
Besohed, I. That in mass-meeting assembled, we denouncc the deed as most outrageous, most heinous and mortifying in the extreme.
2. That such an act meets our unanimous con- demnation and could only be conceived and executed by one so depraved in morals as to endanger the life and virtue of the young as well as those older.
3. That the miscreant is not of the better class of our race; nor is he an average. On the contrary, he belongs to that low element of the race that has brought on nine-tenths of similar troubles. We pray for the day when proper distinctions will be made.
4. That such a character is a menace to society, and the brute should not be permitted to run at large.
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5. That the guilty wretch should be brought to the bar of justice, and by proper procedure, put to death.
6. That we aye willing to offer our services to ren- der any assistance in our power to the end that the villain be captured and be made to stand that punishment which should be visited upon such flagrant violations of the law and of humanity.
q. Resolved further, that it is the sense of this meeting that every colored man in this county do all in his power to bring him to account.
A. A. SIMS, A. C. GARNER, G. M. GUEST, I.W. WHITE, D. C. ALLEN, J. W. WEAVER, W. M. CONNER,
Committee.
The language of the above report is not in any sense equivocal nor ambiguous, and the following news item from same paper of same date goes to show that it was not all 'talk" with the negroes.
' The negroes are turning out in search of Henry Smith and he is likely to feel the warm kiss of igneous when found."
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So in the end crow...his own people wanted to do worse and even more to him!
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One more thing to add as some odd trivia....his body was torn apart by the mob looking for souvenirs......supposedly a pocket watch with the back cover made from smiths skull is still located here in paris by relatives of someone who obtained it. it is supposed to be inscribed with he words "Justice for the child, death to the devil".....and before you even think of playing a race card crow....it was procured and made and passed down by a black family.

Yes its morbid....but its just more to the history of the story...I have found this case to be fascinating and have researched just about every angle.
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<quoted text>B. Land Theft
The relationship between the land and Indian people is fundamental to their physical and cultural survival as distinct, autonomous groups. Indian land is constitutive of the Indian cultural identity and designative of the boundaries of the Indian cultural universe. Indian land transmits knowledge about history, links people to their ancestors, and provides a code of appropriate moral behavior. From the moment of first contact with European "discoverers," Indians proclaimed a sacred responsibility to preserve and transmit Indian land, and with it, identity, religion, and culture, to successive generations. The discharge of that responsibility was compromised by federal policies of land acquisition ranging from fraud and deceit to expropriation and outright theft.
The above was copied from a googled site. The Interior Dept made numerous treaties with Native Americans which were ultimately broken.
Study your history!
lol!!!!

So if it's written down someplace, "it's gotta be true"...LOL

Exactly how were the indian's land deeds written up?(LOL) To have something stolen, you have to be able to prove ownership! What was the wording on the indian's 'bill of sale'?

....study a little harder and try again! lmao
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If this helps you any....

It can NEVER BE PROVEN that ANYONE 'owned' the entire land that we now call America.
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The book is available online from the library of congress BTW.
THE FACTS IN THE CASE
OF THE
HORRIBLE MURDER
LITTLE MYRTLE VANCE
AND ITS
FEARWUL EXPIATION
At Paris Texas, February 1st 1893
WITH PHOTOGRAPHIC ILLUSTRATIONS.
Published for the Benefit of the Family s of HENRY VANCE.
PUBLISHED BY P L. JAMES,
http://lccn.loc.gov/01000615

link to the book.

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