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frank Oakland, CA	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1579 May 6, 2012 Churmudgeon wrote: <quoted text> Many medical procedures performed on the elderly are a big waste of money. We all die sometime. we shouldnt waste valuable resources on the parasitic non productive. A very true and very difficult and sensitive subject, certainly political suicide if taken on by a politician so far politicians have used it to gain notoriety Sarah Palin comes to mind with here shameless "death panels"!
xxxrayted Cleveland, OH	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1580 May 6, 2012 frank wrote: <quoted text> A very true and very difficult and sensitive subject, certainly political suicide if taken on by a politician so far politicians have used it to gain notoriety Sarah Palin comes to mind with here shameless "death panels"! So bureaucrats are going to decide if and when a procedure gets done on an elderly patient with Commie Care. If that's not death panels, then what is it? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
The Kangaroo “Fightin' Liberal” Since: Oct 10 5,537 Junction City KS	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1581 May 6, 2012 xxxrayted wrote: <quoted text> So bureaucrats are going to decide if and when a procedure gets done on an elderly patient with Commie Care. If that's not death panels, then what is it? http://www.youtube.com/watch... We already have death panels; they're called insurance companies. Under Obamacare they can no longer refuse to cover people for preexisting conditions. That's why they're invested in goading low information voters to oppose Obamacare.
The Kangaroo “Fightin' Liberal” Since: Oct 10 5,537 Junction City KS	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1582 May 6, 2012 xxxrayted wrote: No, Republicans are not against taxation, only unfair taxation. Bullsht. Fair taxation means the more you have the more you pay, which Rethuglicans are against.
icu_ Since: Oct 11 2,810 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1583 May 6, 2012 Judged: 1 1 Credit to the original poster at another forum Recently, while I was working in the flower beds in the front yard, my neighbors stopped to chat as they returned home from walking their dog. During our friendly conversation, I asked their 12 year old daughter what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be President some day. Both of her parents - liberal Democrats - were standing there, so I asked her,“If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?” She replied,“I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.” Her parents beamed with pride! “Wow…what a worthy goal!” I said.“But you don’t have to wait until you’re President to do that!” I told her. “What do you mean?” she replied. So I told her,“You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds, and trim my hedge, and I’ll pay you $50. Then you can go over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.” She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the eye and asked,“Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?” I said,“Welcome to the Republican Party.” Her parents aren’t speaking to me any more.
OregonSUX Since: Apr 12 10,888 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1584 May 6, 2012 Hey Pal wrote: <quoted text>Well maybe your right about America's health care going to shit already! Guess you should watch this first before jumping for celebration! 1. Canada's free health care comes with long lines (Video) http://www.youtube.com/watch... US Health care comes with bankruptcy. 60% of bankruptcies are due in whole or in part to medical bills. Cost of an appendectomy:$1500 or $182,000 and everything in between. Why the huge difference? No one knows including doctors who study this stuff. US Health Care is a disgrace.
icu_ Since: Oct 11 2,810 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1585 May 6, 2012 OregonSUX wrote: <quoted text> US Health care comes with bankruptcy. 60% of bankruptcies are due in whole or in part to medical bills. Cost of an appendectomy:$1500 or $182,000 and everything in between. Why the huge difference? No one knows including doctors who study this stuff. US Health Care is a disgrace. It certainly is. If the leechers, welchers and bums would pay their bills the rest of us wouldnt have to pay the high bills associated with health care. My doctors for example have refused to accpt new patients except by referral. Now, with no increase in fees, it seems that they have more time for me. They have more time to listen to me about my problems instead of rushing because some bum that wont pay is demanding precious services. Those that wont pay tough luck. Bodies didnt pile up in the streets before this medicaid great society program and they wont now. It just more liberal fear trying to justify their staying home on welfare leeching off the rest of us all day
OregonSUX Since: Apr 12 10,888 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1586 May 6, 2012 icu_ wrote: <quoted text>It certainly is. If the leechers, welchers and bums would pay their bills the rest of us wouldnt have to pay the high bills associated with health care. My doctors for example have refused to accpt new patients except by referral. Now, with no increase in fees, it seems that they have more time for me. They have more time to listen to me about my problems instead of rushing because some bum that wont pay is demanding precious services. Those that wont pay tough luck. Bodies didnt pile up in the streets before this medicaid great society program and they wont now. It just more liberal fear trying to justify their staying home on welfare leeching off the rest of us all day Republicon scumbags are refusing to pay their bills. They are fighting tooth and nail AGAINST personal responsibility. This is typical Republicon scumbag behavior. Republicons are out to destroy Medicare and Social Security....again. Republicons have been trying to do this since these programs began. Republicons hate Americans, hate the middle class, hate democracy, hate women and hate freedom.

OzRitz Since: Jul 11 2,133 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1588 May 7, 2012 It's easy to see why those are opposed to Obama care because they are already on the freebie cart and don't want any others joining them. It's the same with the tax, branding low income workers bums because they are not earning over $200k a year. Does anyone stop to think why this is so, if there was so much wealth to be gained to be shared around by working your butt off as they so often quote. Why hasn't it happened already ? The stock Fox news answer to this is , a person goes through school with one sole ambition to be on the welfare list and what is worse they say this with a straight face.
OregonSUX Since: Apr 12 10,888 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1589 May 7, 2012 It is pure rightwing fascist corporatist propaganda and nothing more. Hitler did the same thing and look what people think of his ideas today. Lazy people with empty minds and no character are easy to fill with propaganda. Rupert Murdoch knows this although these days he is spending his time whining and claiming incompetence and ignorance.
icu_ Since: Oct 11 2,810 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1590 May 7, 2012 OregonSUX wrote: <quoted text> Republicon scumbags are refusing to pay their bills. They are fighting tooth and nail AGAINST personal responsibility. This is typical Republicon scumbag behavior. Republicons are out to destroy Medicare and Social Security....again. Republicons have been trying to do this since these programs began. Republicons hate Americans, hate the middle class, hate democracy, hate women and hate freedom. Elimination of the social programs by LBJ is the key. These programs were funded by tapping the Social Security trust fund that is just about depleted. The current administrations cutting of the payroll taxes that funds the system insures its even faster demise. Medicaid/Medicare current funding will not last more than a few years and when the baby boomers start demanding their medicare supplied scooters and medicinal marijuana so they can relive the summer of love will be the final nail in the coffin. No one specific party has tried to desroy those programs so hush on the election rhetoric...they were designed to fail from the beginning based upon actuarial data. LBJs tapping of the funds and expanding coverage though is the key...but I know its Bush's fault or something or other
OzRitz Since: Jul 11 2,133 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1591 May 7, 2012 Well I thought anyone with a Media lic had to pass the good character test to be fit to own TV or newsprint. If Murdoch fits the bill now, after what has happened in the UK then Charles Manson might be eligible to publish the Readers Digest.
OregonSUX Since: Apr 12 10,888 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1592 May 7, 2012 Getting rid of the income contribution cap on SS keeps it running past the big boomer bubble - a demographic anomaly - into the future as far as the eye can see. Medicare Part E, single payer health care, eliminates a third of the cost of the shameful garbage called the US Health Care system. Of course the rightwing hate any solution to what ails the USA as it only wants to destroy the middle class and, hence, democracy.
OzRitz Since: Jul 11 2,133 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1593 May 7, 2012 Judged: 1 1 Yes, It seems BIG picture stuff doesn't wash with TEA ppl. They seem to focus on here & now not the cause and effect. Once those baby boomers start lining up with their hand out that is a huge problem because there is just not enough tax payers behind them. Birth rate is dropping all the time and even more illegals are leaving more than entering. So it might be wise to legalise all drugs and stop that crime wave coming in from the southern borders.
boomer Beckley, WV	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1594 May 7, 2012 OzRitz wrote: Yes, It seems BIG picture stuff doesn't wash with TEA ppl. They seem to focus on here & now not the cause and effect. Once those baby boomers start lining up with their hand out that is a huge problem because there is just not enough tax payers behind them. Birth rate is dropping all the time and even more illegals are leaving more than entering. So it might be wise to legalise all drugs and stop that crime wave coming in from the southern borders. Baby boomers with their hands out? Huh, seems its more the occupy people waiting for handouts.
JBH Richmond, Canada	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1595 May 7, 2012 Marco Rubio should not be the VP candidate because he gave credit to Obama on Bin Laden story, since Obama had done it badly about the Bin Laden case by not giving forthcoming true facts ( as many public do not believe Obama ), as well as not doing properly in catching of presenting Bin Laden being unarmed. A VP prospect must not do that of crediting Obama about anything as he does everything wrongly, and any VP candidate must be having a tough and mean stand to Obama and Biden , for responsibility to stand for all people. Some don't treat Obama as president because they don't think he has a true certificate while a lot of people don't take Obama AS CHIEF because he does not handle military properly and messed up Bin Laden case, with bad acts in Afghanistan, North Korea, China and beyond. $^%+)_^$%#&$%%()_&^(_ &^$%&()_&^$%* &()+_(^&$%#^&()_ +(^$%#^&()_+(^&$% &()_&^$%&+)_( &^$%&()_+^&$%#* &()_+(^$%&()_*&^ ( Romney , from being interviewed on CBS, already said he would have done getting Bin Laden from whatever steps required. Biden is ill, in his thoughts questioning whether Romney would do so to get Bin Laden , including saying Romney doing outsourcing. Outsourcing can only be by definition from government responsibility aspects because that is the only way of controlling , regulating, stopping or allowing or not many or certain businesses to go overseas, as well as purchases from others , like China. It Is not the way and as long as the administration is allowing so much outsourcing , one cannot point to free enterprises and businessmen by saying they are doing the outsourcing, including Romney who is not the government doing the controlling . BY pointing to Romney on subjects of Bin laden raid and outsourcing, Biden and Obama demonstrate rounds of rounds of ludicrous and ill thoughts as dumbest fools by self-destruction.
icu_ Since: Oct 11 2,810 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1596 May 7, 2012 This country was not set up as a welfare state democracy. Only landholders had the right to vote intially and that way those that owned the land said what was done with the land. The country after going through explosive growth periods began to lose its direction as liberalization of voting elegebility took hold. The country is now well on its way to becoming a welfare state with an approximant 50% of the people paying no income taxes yet clamorig for others to pay more taxes so they can get more handouts. Lazy lops and leechers are now in control and it will take total anarchy to bring the country back to its intial purpose. What a shame
icu_ Since: Oct 11 2,810 Location hidden	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1597 May 7, 2012 OregonSUX wrote: Getting rid of the income contribution cap on SS keeps it running past the big boomer bubble - a demographic anomaly - into the future as far as the eye can see. Medicare Part E, single payer health care, eliminates a third of the cost of the shameful garbage called the US Health Care system. Of course the rightwing hate any solution to what ails the USA as it only wants to destroy the middle class and, hence, democracy. The income cap continues to be raised. The real issue is the lack of contributers to the system as the lazy bums on welfare refuse to work to contribute to the system. Denying heath care to these losers would merely be allowing natural selection take its toll and eliminate these unproductive louts from the gene pool once and for all.
Churmudgeon Mountain Home, AR	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1598 May 7, 2012 xxxrayted wrote: <quoted text> Because what you are asking is that the trucking company pay for your responsibilities. After all, if you wreck the property of somebody else, it is your responsibility. But lets say that after you hit that truck, another non-insured driver does the same thing to him eight months after your accident. This is not to mention the other non-insured driver a year earlier that wrecked his truck. Do you suppose his insurance company will drastically increase his premiums if not totally drop him as a customer? This 25k does not buy a new truck, but it does help to offset the costs to the driver or company via their insurance company since they probably have such insurance coverage. Not everybody drives. I know people who never got a license in their life. Then there are people who lost their license because they were bad drivers. Some get too old to drive, and the state won't allow them to drive any longer. Some have ailments and health problems where the state doesn't allow them to drive. But if you are going to drive, then driving is a responsibility. It's what I do for a living, so I know. If I get into a few accidents with my car on my own time, my employers insurance goes up even though I was not on company time. If I get a DUI, I lose my job and probably my career even if it's on my own time during vacation. But as a driver, I accepted those responsibilities; every driver should. So to say that it's the victims responsibility to cover themselves for your liabilities is like saying it's the other persons fault that they were killed when you got drunk and ran into them. They should have been driving an SUV instead of a compact car. Or like operating a lawn care company, and when you put too much fertilizer on the lawn and burn it up, you tell the homeowner that they should have insurance in case you screw up like that. The reason we incorporated that law many years ago here in Ohio is because there were too many people that sustained injuries and lost property due to damage and couldn't recoup those losses. They had liability because it's all they could afford, but the other guy didn't. Those people were out of luck. In cases of long term injury or disability, the state had to foot the bill. So this is why we have this insurance law. Driving is not a right, it's a privilege. Ive spent about a million miles behind the wheeel of a semi. I quit last fall. I think I know a little about driving for a living. The 25 thou wont hardly pay for the wrecker bills and cleanup in a semi wreck. I agree driving isnt a right its a privilege. and the states do have the counstitional right to require insurance registration driverlicences ect. But thinking the law will portect you from uninsured and underinsured is false. I dont like the mandatory insurance law because it really doesnt solve anything. The fact is you cant legislate moral or ethical behavior. Now national health care isnt a god given or counstitional right and requiring a citizen to pay for goods & services he didnt personally order is uncounstitional.
Churmudgeon Mountain Home, AR	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #1599 May 7, 2012 icu_ wrote: This country was not set up as a welfare state democracy. Only landholders had the right to vote intially and that way those that owned the land said what was done with the land. The country after going through explosive growth periods began to lose its direction as liberalization of voting elegebility took hold. The country is now well on its way to becoming a welfare state with an approximant 50% of the people paying no income taxes yet clamorig for others to pay more taxes so they can get more handouts. Lazy lops and leechers are now in control and it will take total anarchy to bring the country back to its intial purpose. What a shame We are because of those voting rules becoming a democracy instead of the Republic that we are supposed to be. In a republic the right,s of the few cannott be overridden by the wishes of the many. Even if the few is just one person and the many is everyone else. A democracy that allows everyone to vote is nothing more than mob rule. We seen the rusults of mob rule when the gangsters got crooks elected in the get out the vote program in chicago. The framers knew this could happen. I know its not popular or poltically correct but if we want to keep our Republic everyone shouldnt be allowed to vote. The USA is in deep trouble and Im very worried about what the future will be. Just wait until the baby boomers are all trying to draw social security and the checks stop coming!
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