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http://www.transitioncville.org/stop-chlorami...

Is Mr. Frederick is a physician? A scientist? His evidence that chloramine is safe for all is that he enjoys a nice tall glass of chloraminated tap water and feels great? Really??

"There is nothing that is proven out there that would suggest to us that there's something in the water that's going to cause significant problems in our community?” In light of anecdotal evidence of thousands of people suffering from respiratory, eye, skin, and digestive symptoms after chloramine goes into their tap water- all across the country, we would like to see ANY scientific papers OR epidemiological studies on the skin, digestive, and respiratory health effects showing that none of these symptoms are caused by exposure to chloramine in tap water.

I strongly urge Charlottesville citizens to demand to see the SCIENTIFIC PROOF that chloramine is safe to be exposed to in their tap water multiple times daily- for years or decades to come. Ask them to show you scientific evidence that chloramine is safe to shower in, bathe in, breathe its aerosols in your indoor air, make baby formula with, cook food with, drink, make coffee, Koolaid, and juice with- EVERY DAY. You will hear crickets chirping in response because there is none. The EPA ASSUMED that chloramine is the same as chlorine as far as these health effects go. They NEVER checked it out.
Do you really want to be in a big Charlottesville chloramine experiment? Really? Learn more at chloramine.org .

why not use both? and add even more fluoride,
and don't forget some aspartame and mono-sodium glutamate, so my treated sewage has a taste i can't seem to get enough of, might as well through in some estrogen and prescription drugs so i can't remember why I'm drinking it instead of a caffeine-free diet coke ?

dis id anovah examble ub stupd librals tryn make th gubment spend my taxpur moenys so dey can hab dem sum free watahs frum de gubment!

There may be an argument that the use of disinfectant prevents the natural immunity the body builds over time.

Chloramine has been proven to shring breasts in women and grow breasts in men. Ladies, please donate your bra to your significant other.

Chloramine has been used as a secondary disinfectant for decades. Indeed, in Philadelphia it has been used for 90 years. If anecdotal evidence is to be offered as reason not to employ chloramine as a secondary disinfectant, then we should look first at Philadelphia, Denver, and the San Francisco Bay area to determine some type of frequency of reactions that can be directly attributed to chloramine use.

prof wrote:

Chloramine has been used as a secondary disinfectant for decades. Indeed, in Philadelphia it has been used for 90 years. If anecdotal evidence is to be offered as reason not to employ chloramine as a secondary disinfectant, then we should look first at Philadelphia, Denver, and the San Francisco Bay area to determine some type of frequency of reactions that can be directly attributed to chloramine use.

Ok, that expalins why the folks of the city of brotherly love are so phu-kt up !

Go check out chloramine.org for what's been going on in the San Francisco Bay area.

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Ok, that expalins why the folks of the city of brotherly love are so phu-kt up !

and why their mortality rate is higher than the US

http://www.phila.gov/health/pdfs/TakingPhilly...

throw some more flouride in

I looked at the Philadelphia report. The data suggest strongly that the elevated mortality with respect to the overall US population is centered in the black and hispanic communities. The difference in mortality among whites is probably not significantly different and among asians is slightly less than the US average, although, again, the difference is probably not significant. That distributional difference suggests strongly that the differences observed are more likely tied to conditions associated with poverty than with some factor to which all four classes of Philadelphians are exposed - like drinking water. I see no evidence in this report of any difference in mortality rate attributed to anything in the city's water supply. The data do not support heh's implication at all. It's important to see what the data tell you, and not to make up conclusions that the data do not support.

prof wrote:

I looked at the Philadelphia report. The data suggest strongly that the elevated mortality with respect to the overall US population is centered in the black and hispanic communities. The difference in mortality among whites is probably not significantly different and among asians is slightly less than the US average, although, again, the difference is probably not significant. That distributional difference suggests strongly that the differences observed are more likely tied to conditions associated with poverty than with some factor to which all four classes of Philadelphians are exposed - like drinking water. I see no evidence in this report of any difference in mortality rate attributed to anything in the city's water supply. The data do not support heh's implication at all. It's important to see what the data tell you, and not to make up conclusions that the data do not support.

Skeptical Aquarist, you have fallen prey to argument prompts, and state the obvious with way too many words.

LOL -if you think it's obvious (which it is), then I wasn't talking to you. Some folks, however, need a bit more explanation.

Chloramine causes lead to leach
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...
Mortality rates were higher in Philly's poverty areas, areas with older housing and more likely to have lead in pipes.

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and why their mortality rate is higher than the US
http://www.phila.gov/health/pdfs/TakingPhilly...

and why there are so many gays in San Fransisco...

THIS STUFF CAUSES TEH GAY!!!!

:O

*puts serious pants back on.

prof wrote:

I looked at the Philadelphia report. The data suggest strongly that the elevated mortality with respect to the overall US population is centered in the black and hispanic communities. The difference in mortality among whites is probably not significantly different and among asians is slightly less than the US average, although, again, the difference is probably not significant. That distributional difference suggests strongly that the differences observed are more likely tied to conditions associated with poverty than with some factor to which all four classes of Philadelphians are exposed - like drinking water. I see no evidence in this report of any difference in mortality rate attributed to anything in the city's water supply. The data do not support heh's implication at all. It's important to see what the data tell you, and not to make up conclusions that the data do not support.

*takes serious pants off*

THIS STUFF CAUSES TEH POVERTY AND TEH VOILENCE

*puts serious pants back on*

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THIS STUFF CAUSES TEH POVERTY AND TEH VOILENCE

I think I proved that :)

heh wrote:

Chloramine causes lead to leach
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...
Mortality rates were higher in Philly's poverty areas, areas with older housing and more likely to have lead in pipes.

While the explanation you offer is certainly not outside the realm of possibility, there are no data in the cited report that even begin to suggest that your assertion is true. Without that information, you are purely speculating with no factual data to support such a conclusion. The Tibbets article you cited indicates that chloramine use in lead pipes can elevate lead levels in blood, it's a long stretch to get from that observation to an increase in death rate. Your argument, as presented, is not very convincing.

prof wrote:

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While the explanation you offer is certainly not outside the realm of possibility, there are no data in the cited report that even begin to suggest that your assertion is true. Without that information, you are purely speculating with no factual data to support such a conclusion. The Tibbets article you cited indicates that chloramine use in lead pipes can elevate lead levels in blood, it's a long stretch to get from that observation to an increase in death rate. Your argument, as presented, is not very convincing.

Of course, you are correct. I just don't like the idea of a city adding something to the water that would take a filter system costing thousands for a homeowner to install. My Target Brita filter takes out the chlorine just fine, but it would not extract chloramine.