DEVELOPING: Superintedent proposes rezoning plan changes

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After weeks of public outcry, Knox County School's acting superintendent is proposing changes to a controversial rezoning plan.

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Tina And Dennis Gibbs

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Apr 27, 2007
 
We do not agree with the rezoning proposal for cumberland estates. We purchased a house thinking we were in the school zone for our children and now its being changed. It would take me atleast 45 minutes to drive to Karns High School then to get to West High School. I DON'T AGREE.
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Apr 27, 2007
 
maybe I'm missing something here but are you saying that you are going to drive your high school aged kids to school every day instead of letting them ride the school bus like everyone else?
Also,if it takes you 45 minutes to drive from Cumberland Estates to Karns High school,maybe you need to ask someone for directions.
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Apr 28, 2007
 
There needs to be more changes than that! Has anyone been considering the cost of his new plan, which by the way, Interim Superintendent Mullins admitted they've done no studies on to determine the cost of this proposal? I guess they'll just raise taxes again or cut more school funding.
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Apr 28, 2007
 
I CARE wrote:
There needs to be more changes than that! Has anyone been considering the cost of his new plan, which by the way, Interim Superintendent Mullins admitted they've done no studies on to determine the cost of this proposal? I guess they'll just raise taxes again or cut more school funding.
Excellent Point! I have been wondering when this would come up. Seems we are all still so emotional about the possible life changes for our kids that we are just getting into some meat of the matter. Here's what I know about the inception of this ridiculous rezoning plan from two school board members who shall remain anonymous. The School Board never voted nor intended to plan for Hardin Valley High School. They instead approved rennovation/expansion on Karns High to accomodate growth in the Hardin Valley area. MIKE RAGSDALE promised - yes promised, all the fine folks in Farragut (his neck of the woods by the way) a "new" school if they pushed through his county wheel tax. You will recall that the wheel tax proposal went up for public vote as a referendum to the voters of Knox County and was overwhelmingly approved by the West Knox crowd. In trade, Farragut voters thought they would get a new high school at the same site as the existing school-but instead-Ragsdale shoved the Hardin Valley school down the School Board's throat. The School Board expressed opposition for funding the new school because the didn't vote or ask for it in the fist place. The MPC or Municipal Planning Commission designed the school rezoning plan- NOT the school board. Now, even the Farragut folks are mad as wet cats. This isn't what they were promised. Unfortunately, now we all must suffer. The School Board members will take the heat for this issue and will ultimately have the impossible tasks of somehow designing a plan to please all the people, while Mike Ragsdale's role in this mess goes unmentioned. Folks in Farragut should run him out of their little city and the rest of us should tell Farragut to deal with their own problems and leave the rest of us out of it. Yes our taxes will increase and yes the school budget will be slashed. The fuel costs for increased bus routes alone will the astronomical and the costs to parents great. Funny though, no one has completed a study on that yet-but w/o that information this plan moves forward?? I dont' think so!
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Apr 28, 2007
 
AAAAAH! Finally some truth comes out. Thanks Scotts4Justice! Here's another tidbit of information that plays into this whole rezoning plan that as a Powell resident, I've had reason to study. This isn't just a mere shift in population distribution. The supposed "population" wouldn't change at Powell High at all. We would lose a certain number of students rezoned TO Central High, only to gain the same number FROM Central High. Both sets of parents or busses would travel across community lines, miles from the school their closest to. Why? No Child Left Behind. There are Federal tax dollars tied to the No Child Left Behind act and Central High is and has been on the No Child Left Behind watch list for several years due to their poor graduation rates. This rezoning is not about population shifts-it's about money! Shifting students from poor performing schools to better performing schools to increase school performance, thus attempting to ensure more federal dollars under the No Child Left Behind Act. Ragsdale has been publicly lobbying for increased state funding of Knox County Schools for some time but in order to do this Knox county must show improvement in the performance standards established under No Child Left Behind. Money, money money folks. Bottom line. All at the expense of Knox County tax payers whose taxes most certainly will increase.
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Apr 28, 2007
 
Nancy wrote:
AAAAAH! Finally some truth comes out. Thanks Scotts4Justice! Here's another tidbit of information that plays into this whole rezoning plan that as a Powell resident, I've had reason to study. This isn't just a mere shift in population distribution. The supposed "population" wouldn't change at Powell High at all. We would lose a certain number of students rezoned TO Central High, only to gain the same number FROM Central High. Both sets of parents or busses would travel across community lines, miles from the school their closest to. Why? No Child Left Behind. There are Federal tax dollars tied to the No Child Left Behind act and Central High is and has been on the No Child Left Behind watch list for several years due to their poor graduation rates. This rezoning is not about population shifts-it's about money! Shifting students from poor performing schools to better performing schools to increase school performance, thus attempting to ensure more federal dollars under the No Child Left Behind Act. Ragsdale has been publicly lobbying for increased state funding of Knox County Schools for some time but in order to do this Knox county must show improvement in the performance standards established under No Child Left Behind. Money, money money folks. Bottom line. All at the expense of Knox County tax payers whose taxes most certainly will increase.
You wonder who made $ from the land that the school will occupy?
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Apr 28, 2007
 
Tina And Dennis Gibbs wrote:
We do not agree with the rezoning proposal for cumberland estates. We purchased a house thinking we were in the school zone for our children and now its being changed. It would take me atleast 45 minutes to drive to Karns High School then to get to West High School. I DON'T AGREE.
Try the school bus. Buy the kid a car. Or try mapquest. If it takes you 45 minutes to get to Karns High, you might try driving the speed limit or faster. With morning traffic and stop lights, you should be able to make it Karns faster.
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Apr 28, 2007
 
Tina And Dennis Gibbs wrote:
We do not agree with the rezoning proposal for cumberland estates. We purchased a house thinking we were in the school zone for our children and now its being changed. It would take me atleast 45 minutes to drive to Karns High School then to get to West High School. I DON'T AGREE.
Some of you are thinking that this mom is taking 45 min to drive to Karns. I think maybe she is saying 45 min to Karns and then to West. Is she saying she will have a child at each school? I don't understand. It shouldn't take 45 min to drive to either of those schools from Cumberland Estates, no matter which one you are zoned for. Also, the new proposal now is that siblings will be allowed to remain at the school with the older child who is grandfathered. So I don't see that anyone will be having to take siblings to two different schools. I think you are complaining about something that isn't even going to happen.
Doug McCaughan

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Apr 28, 2007
 
Grandfathering is a unacceptable solution. It appeases a handful of voices and silences some complainers while not addressing county wide problems with the plan. Grandfathering does not explain to the potential buyer of my house why they should buy my house and have their child go to a school 8 miles away when they could buy a house 1/4 mile down the road and have their child go to a school 1 mile away. Grandfathering does not address safety concerns such as extended drives for teenage drivers down primary roads during rush hour traffic when before the plan they had significantly shorter drives on secondary roads. Grandfathering does not address how moving only 274 students from Farragut High School addresses the town of Farragut's doubling in size over the next 10-20 years ( http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/articl... ).
The plan needs to be rejected and a good plan needs to be created with community involvement, traffic impact studies, board members, teachers, civil engineers, etc. There are better alternatives to the amoeba shapes zones. We can develop permanent geographic zones and implement open enrollments. We can develop small community schools enhanced with the use of the mega schools for specialized classes, sports, band, etc. We have choices that have not been explored.
Encourage your school board member to vote NO on May 2nd. Let us do this correctly now instead of doing it again in 5 years!
Read more information and add links here: http://realityme.net/rezoning-roundup/
No Brainer

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Apr 28, 2007
 
Rezone Now wrote:
<quoted text> Try the school bus. Buy the kid a car. Or try mapquest. If it takes you 45 minutes to get to Karns High, you might try driving the speed limit or faster. With morning traffic and stop lights, you should be able to make it Karns faster.
Evidently you have never been on Oak Ridge Hwy. in the heart of Karns at 8am on a weekday.
The bottom line is that they are asking the Cumberland Estates community to drive from the outskirts of the inner city to the middle of nowhere. Does it really matter if it is by car, bus, train or a limo driven by Roy Mullins himself?
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Apr 28, 2007
 
Parents don't stop parenting when their children become high schoolers. Even bus riders stay after school for band, clubs and studying. Teenagers go to football games on Friday nights and so do many of their parents.
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Apr 28, 2007
 
Tina And Dennis Gibbs wrote:
We do not agree with the rezoning proposal for cumberland estates. We purchased a house thinking we were in the school zone for our children and now its being changed. It would take me atleast 45 minutes to drive to Karns High School then to get to West High School. I DON'T AGREE.
what i dont understand is why cumberland estates would be west high school area. Cumberland estates is like 10 - 15 minutes from Karns high. where as, West is like... atleast 20 or 25.

I think parents should be able to choose what school they want to send their child too. Set a registration time period for each school, and if it fills up... it fills up. Self study homeschool and private schools are other options. Alot of people dont realize how many other alternate choices there are as far as education. Its just... the world is never happy.:/ and nothing is as good as what someone just had. I used to had to drive from Kingston Pike at Walker Springs... To Karns for school everyday. It didnt bother me. Nor did it bother my parents.

...So why is everyone else complaining?
DOTDOTDOT

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Apr 28, 2007
 
Thank goodness my children will not be effected by any rezoning. I have lived in Knoxville my entire life and lived a life of my parents have to fake addresses, at the advice of a school principal, to keep us out of certain schools. What upsets me the most is kids can't help where they live. EACH and every child is entitled to the same quality of education. We would not have this problem if every school had good, quality teachers teaching the same subjects. No wonder certain schools excel. It just boils my blood, however, for parents to be concerned that a new school wouldn't offer the same opportunities as their current school. Their current school is already offering more classes and courses than any other Knox County School. Their school offers orchestra. How many other Knox County Schools offer orchestra? Their are wonderful, talented and intelligent students all over Knox County. They do not all reside in one certain area. Given the same opportunities, there could be more.

I'd be willing to bet if a new high school had been built in any other area of Knox County, you would have parents doing anything they could to get their child in a new school with all the bells and whistles Hardin Valley will offer. Parents in West Knoxville would be shocked to see the conditions of some of the other schools in Knox County. I'm not speaking of the schools my kids have attended. They are in decent shape. I am also pleased with the education my children are getting. However, I have not shut my eyes on the conditions other children have to learn in.
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Apr 28, 2007
 
DOTDOTDOT wrote:
Thank goodness my children will not be effected by any rezoning....
Try "affected" - learn the difference
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Apr 28, 2007
 
I'm glad I got out of knoxville because of that and other reasons. There a large group of morons running the city. I feel for all of you that have to deal with them on a daily basis
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Apr 28, 2007
 
DOTDOTDOT wrote:
What upsets me the most is kids can't help where they live. EACH and every child is entitled to the same quality of education. We would not have this problem if every school had good, quality teachers teaching the same subjects. No wonder certain schools excel.
As a teacher at one of the "underperforming schools," I take great offense to this statement. I'll be the first to admit there are both good and bad teachers, but the idea that teachers are at fault for schools not meeting NCLB benchmarks is absurd. The problem, although NO ONE is willing to address it, lies with the students and parents, not with the teachers. Please tell me how you FORCE students to participate in class, study, earn credits and graduate. A large segment of our student population is apathetic and refuses to put forth any effort. They are constant behavior problems and do nothing but destroy the learning environment for other students. I know many of the teachers at the "elite" schools and in no way do I intened to take anything away from their qualifications. However, I assure you that if you look at those schools you will find an entirely different clientele. They are comprised predominantly of motivated students who have parental support (and maybe even the dreaded "D" word... discipline) and strive for academic success. Rezone all you want to. Build all the new state-of-the-art schools you want to. Increase the budget millions of dollars. NONE OF THIS will have any significant impact on the educational process in Knox County until someone wakes up and deals with the real issue.
No Brainer

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Apr 28, 2007
 
Corey wrote:
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what i dont understand is why cumberland estates would be west high school area. Cumberland estates is like 10 - 15 minutes from Karns high. where as, West is like... atleast 20 or 25.
I think parents should be able to choose what school they want to send their child too. Set a registration time period for each school, and if it fills up... it fills up. Self study homeschool and private schools are other options. Alot of people dont realize how many other alternate choices there are as far as education. Its just... the world is never happy.:/ and nothing is as good as what someone just had. I used to had to drive from Kingston Pike at Walker Springs... To Karns for school everyday. It didnt bother me. Nor did it bother my parents.
...So why is everyone else complaining?
It takes about 15 min. to drive from Cumberland Estates to West High. I'm not even sure where Karns High is. Isn't it in the Byington-Solway area?
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Apr 28, 2007
 
No Brainer wrote:
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Evidently you have never been on Oak Ridge Hwy. in the heart of Karns at 8am on a weekday.
The bottom line is that they are asking the Cumberland Estates community to drive from the outskirts of the inner city to the middle of nowhere. Does it really matter if it is by car, bus, train or a limo driven by Roy Mullins himself?
Ok...I did a mapquest from Weavers at 5810 oak ridge hwy. It is 7.1 miles to Karns and 4.9 to West. So you will have to travel about 2.2 miles futher. Heartbreaking isn't it. If you think Cumberland Estates is the inner city, do not go to Tennessee Ave., where I grew up. If Byington Solway is in the middle of nowhere, you might want to get in your car and drive around Knoxville. Because it is apparent you have no clue about the city you live in.
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Apr 28, 2007
 
No Brainer wrote:
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It takes about 15 min. to drive from Cumberland Estates to West High. I'm not even sure where Karns High is. Isn't it in the Byington-Solway area?
Buy a map. Use the internet. Call Karns high and ask directions. Are you that helpless?

Give me your email. I will send you directions.
Concerned parent

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Apr 28, 2007
 
I have a child that will be in middle school when this change occurs and I will be the first to admit that my husband and I are not very happy to be zoned where they want us to be. think about it, they don't want us in their school and we certainly don't want to be there either. I moved inthe area that I wanted because of the school district. Now, because of the new high school being built in West Knoxville, my children will be rezoned. Absurd if you ask me.

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