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All should see the house that Father Damien's parents had built, and to which he was born.

At the time, it was the last house at the very edge of the small hamlet of Ninde, in the very outskirts of the village of Tremeloo, in Belgium.

Made from brick the family made themselves, and back in the day, thatched roof too (almost just like da Hawaiians, if you think about it, really--except for brick or maybe not, if you think about the stone enclosures we had at some sites).

Down the road from the sacred ground, are the fields, open and wide.

Quiet.

There you will see the dela that he would jump into the boats that took him down and into Leuven about 10 or so miles away. To study and what not.

There you will see the loch he learned to swim in as a boy and the birds he saw. All of which he wrote about from Kalawao.

In the house where he was born, you will see the original furniture and the interesting pattern of the sand that, back in that time, skilled artists who would pour measured amounts of sand to add an artistic design onto the floor in addition to the fact that the Belgians used the sand to clean too.

Rent a car. Get the GPS. Make sure before you leave the station, they reprogram it into English.

Also go see Gent and Brugge: we talking Medeival buildings and churches so old and magical in both architecture and design that it will transport you back way before the days of William Shakespeare.

We talking history, People.

Father Damien's house is a museaum now, but the neighbor hood gang goes and hangs out and sells coffee, and sandwiches and the best apple pie you ever did kaukau. They also sell beer too.

All kine Father Damien stuff you can bring back either there at Ninde or in Leuven, where his crypt stay, get one Father Damien Center there too and the humble Belgian Fathers man a small shop that you know not going have nothing left when come less than 3 weeks from now.

Go to Belgium.

Mass insanity. No pun intended.

Chop Chop wrote:

Mass insanity. No pun intended.

Must be kinda miserable for you to wake up to find there are happy people, who enjoy history, in this world.

There is a God and of all good things too.

May you be fortunate enough to one day lift your eyes and see beyond your small horizon.

Here's a clue: The McDonald's Drive-Thru ain't where it's at.

[] praying to a church-approved list of dead people cures cancer
[x] example of priestcraft in the 21st century

Reflection of You wrote:

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Must be kinda miserable for you to wake up to find there are happy people, who enjoy history, in this world...

History? Yes.

Congratulations! You are part of the history of Roman and Spanish colonialism, and superstition. You must be so proud.

You are overdue for an intervention and deprogramming.

Superstition is not history.

You are a heretic.

Chop Chop, Hocus Pocus, Intervention Time and Priestcraft all seem to be the very same, insane, person.

What? The "committee" working overtime. Don't listen to the "voices," get some kokua.

Then again, what ever makes you happy (or, in this case, unhappy.)

Fascinating. How much money do you give to these men every year?

Has gullibility become a virtue?

It is no accident that they are referred to as "sheep" and "a flock".

If you can convince me that believing that praying to Father Damien cured cancer I will fall to my knees and beg forgiveness from the father, son and holy spirit.

Go for it.

The 'Christiphobes' are out in full force on Hawaii's Muslim Day. How predictable.

It is so sad that "The Moderator" of this failed-dwindled-rag doesn't have the simple intelligence to understand a simple Church Latin phrase and finds it "offensive!" Ironically, the phrase is recited in every Roman and Episcopal Catholic Mass Service... Well, you know the phrase--"It starts at the top!" Maybe Bridgewater should grow a brain..?

Blue Eyed White Devil wrote:

The 'Christiphobes' are out in full force on Hawaii's Muslim Day. How predictable.

Actually, this a High Jewish Holy Week that began last Friday with Rosh Hashana and ends this week with Yom Kipur...

Convince Me wrote:

If you can convince me that believing that praying to Father Damien cured cancer I will fall to my knees and beg forgiveness from the father, son and holy spirit.
Go for it.

Dick Cheney will meet you at the entrance to Guantanamo. Be there on time!

Tell Us wrote:

Fascinating. How much money do you give to these men every year?

How much money do you have?

Kimo wrote:

<quoted text> How much money do you have?

speaking about money, lets not hope it turns into another hope chapel...I know of one person who calls herself a minister there, is a bigot and liar, and charges people to pray there..when did God almighty start charging to pray?..its not in the bible...then she goes to her job lying to seniors, and handicapped and low income familites as if it was a natural thing for her to do...what a scam artist!...hope chapel is purely a pyramid scheme to make money!..and they know it!....Wildman!

Does anyone reading this believe that praying to Father Damien can cure cancer?

Is it easy to believe, or do you have to work at it every day?

I just cannot bring myself to believe this. I might as well believe all the spam email I get.

Thomas Paine, one of the Founding Fathers of the American Revolution, wrote “All the tales of miracles, with which the Old and New Testament are filled, are fit only for impostors to preach and fools to believe”.

Thomas Jefferson, principle author of the Declaration of Independence of the United States, edited a version of the Bible in which he removed sections of the New Testament containing supernatural aspects as well as perceived misinterpretations he believed had been added by the Four Evangelists. Jefferson wrote, "The establishment of the innocent and genuine character of this benevolent moralist, and the rescuing it from the imputation of imposture, which has resulted from artificial systems,[footnote: e.g. The immaculate conception of Jesus, his deification, the creation of the world by him, his miraculous powers, his resurrection and visible ascension, his corporeal presence in the Eucharist, the Trinity; original sin, atonement, regeneration, election, orders of Hierarchy, etc.—T.J.] invented by ultra-Christian sects, unauthorized by a single word ever uttered by him, is a most desirable object, and one to which Priestley has successfully devoted his labors and learning."

Robert Ingersoll wrote, "Not 20 people were convinced by the reported miracles of Christ, and yet people of the nineteenth century were coolly asked to be convinced on hearsay by miracles which those who are supposed to have seen them refused to credit."

Writer Christopher Hitchens, when asked for his favorite Bible story replied “Casting the first stone” is a lovely story, even though we’ve found out how much it wasn’t in the Bible to begin with. And the first of the miracles. Jesus changes water into wine. You can’t object to that."

John Adams, second President of the United States, wrote, "The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?"

Elbert Hubbard, American writer, publisher, artist, and philosopher, wrote "A miracle is an event described by those to whom it was told by people who did not see it."

American Revolutionary War patriot and hero Ethan Allen wrote "In those parts of the world where learning and science have prevailed, miracles have ceased; but in those parts of it as are barbarous and ignorant, miracles are still in vogue."

If it is any consolation, it is not just the Catholics. It also applies to the Muslims, Mormons, evangelical Christians, witches, the ancient Greeks and Egyptians and others. It is superstition.

Hawaii will remain in the barbarous and ignorant part for a few more years.

Kimo wrote:

<quoted text> Actually, this a High Jewish Holy Week that began last Friday with Rosh Hashana and ends this week with Yom Kipur...

You're right Kimo, and do you think it's a coincidence that our own dumbocrats voted to celebrate Muslim day during the Jewish holy week?

Blue Eyed White Devil wrote:

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You're right Kimo, and do you think it's a coincidence that our own dumbocrats voted to celebrate Muslim day during the Jewish holy week?

"Dumbocrats." I like that.

Now that you mention it, it was sort of, at the very least, clueless for the local democratic socialist communist party to pass muslim day and impose that on the rest of us, and, of all times, at the same time our jewish brethren were celebrating their stuffs.

At the most, it was a slight intended to offend our christian predecessors in interest. Men putting their stuff in other men, making it "legal" and then them going down to the church for smooch, take picture and, meanwhile coach mac pretty soon gotta hold hands and march around with them too.

What the hell is going on in Hawaii?

Some of the democraps also pushing for gambling: vegas style too. If was up to them, pretty soon going have one las vegas kine show with plenny Cher fans coming and polluting the place by the tennis courts the oha administrator got busted by.