Mayoral candidates spar

JoBu wrote:

All of you Brainard haters make me sick. Carmel's taxes, quality of life, and positive development are the envy of almost every city government in the state, and most of the Midwest for that matter.
No one is flawless, but you people don't give the Mayor or the Council a fair shake. Seems like too many of you are focused too heavily on emotion rather than results. RESULTS MATTER. Go CARMEL! Go Brainard!

I don't want to give th Mayor and his Council a fair shake. I want to give the a BOOT IN THE ASS. And I'm sure the Midwest doesn't have a clue that Carmel even exists.

Old Dog wrote:

Marin
Under Indiana law, a "conflict of interest" is a public official taking an official action in which that official has a financial interest. It has been the custom of the City Council for members to serve on other boards and comnmissions. You are correct that a council member could vote on a matter in two different venues. However, that is not a "conflict of interest" under Indiana law.

Thats correct old dog, and I suggest to you that Rick Sharp, Ron Carter and the newly appointed Jeff Worrell on the CRC DO have a financial interest in projects that they influence on the CRC. More to follow....

TO be sure why don't you send an email to Rick Sharp and Ron Carter asking them to tell you definatively that they do not have a financial interest all projects past and present that are or have been before the CRC. Bet ya a dollar that you will not get a response.....Ask them to make a public statement about it for the record.

Marnin Spigelman you are killing me. Get a life.

enough already wrote:

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Thats correct old dog, and I suggest to you that Rick Sharp, Ron Carter and the newly appointed Jeff Worrell on the CRC DO have a financial interest in projects that they influence on the CRC. More to follow....
TO be sure why don't you send an email to Rick Sharp and Ron Carter asking them to tell you definatively that they do not have a financial interest all projects past and present that are or have been before the CRC. Bet ya a dollar that you will not get a response.....Ask them to make a public statement about it for the record.

Do you really expect to get the truth from these guys?

On the night that the CRC voted to give $20M TIF to Buckingham Properties for Gramercy, a question was raised from the public about one of the members of the CRC having acquired property in the Auman Addition - Everyone played dumb. What was convenient, was that the CRC member who owned property - Mr. Jeff Worrell, was not present.

As a side bar, I understand, that the property has been rented to an employee of Mr. Worrell and that there was police at the property on March 9 or 10. Apparently there was some underage drinking, etc.- I wonder why this did not make the news? It would appear that the CRC, is not only interested in Redeveloping properties, but they are also interested in contributing to the process of "blighting" areas so that it will be necessary to redevelop them.

I guess the city attorney, Mr. Haney, Kevin Kirby, Joe Griffiths, Brian Mayo, Rick Sharp, Ron Carter and the Mayor are right - we do not need an ethics review board - lets leave it in the hands of the fox - trust him to guard the chicken house.

Carmalite wrote:

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Do you really expect to get the truth from these guys?
On the night that the CRC voted to give $20M TIF to Buckingham Properties for Gramercy, a question was raised from the public about one of the members of the CRC having acquired property in the Auman Addition - Everyone played dumb. What was convenient, was that the CRC member who owned property - Mr. Jeff Worrell, was not present.
As a side bar, I understand, that the property has been rented to an employee of Mr. Worrell and that there was police at the property on March 9 or 10. Apparently there was some underage drinking, etc.- I wonder why this did not make the news? It would appear that the CRC, is not only interested in Redeveloping properties, but they are also interested in contributing to the process of "blighting" areas so that it will be necessary to redevelop them.
I guess the city attorney, Mr. Haney, Kevin Kirby, Joe Griffiths, Brian Mayo, Rick Sharp, Ron Carter and the Mayor are right - we do not need an ethics review board - lets leave it in the hands of the fox - trust him to guard the chicken house.

Good post Carmelite. You are correct, Jeff Worrell has been purchasing properties in Auman and this neighborhood is slated for the next 'blight' case to be made. You are also correct that the property in question is rented by Mr. Worrells employee and it wasn't just underage drinking, there were drug offenses also.

Very very curious why there has been no mention of this in the Star or police blotter that I've been able to find but it is a fact. You can be sure that if the same thing happened in Mohawk hills or Homeplace they would be all over it.

Just another example of ethics violations and cover ups. This happens all the time in the Brainard administration.

Carmelite - the proper procedure for a member of a board or commission that has a financial interest in a matter that is before that body is to recuse themselves. This means that they don't take part in the discussion or vote on the matter, and, for that matter should not be present. Since Mr. Worrell was not present, he was clearly following the proper procedure. So what's your point?

Carmelite - Financial conflicts of interest are already prohibited by Indiana law. The ethics ordinance wouldn't have applied anyway. Further, owning property adjacent to, but not in a TIF area would likely not be a direct conflict of interest anyway. It sounds like Mr. Worrell nonetheless was acting out of an abundence of caution by not participating.

DVD's of the Candiadtes forum for all of those people who wanted one they went out in the mail today.

If anyone else would like one please email me at trolleytowncarmel.yahoo.com

We need to clean house. The Carmel City Council is filthy. We MUST clean house. Do it for your children. A Vote for Brainard or any of his henchmen is a vote for ignorance and future taxes for your children.

Trollytown, put it on YOUTUBE!

Old Dog wrote:

Carmelite - Financial conflicts of interest are already prohibited by Indiana law. The ethics ordinance wouldn't have applied anyway. Further, owning property adjacent to, but not in a TIF area would likely not be a direct conflict of interest anyway. It sounds like Mr. Worrell nonetheless was acting out of an abundence of caution by not participating.

I take it you feel an ethics ordinance is not needed in Carmel??

Old Dog wrote:

Carmelite - the proper procedure for a member of a board or commission that has a financial interest in a matter that is before that body is to recuse themselves. This means that they don't take part in the discussion or vote on the matter, and, for that matter should not be present. Since Mr. Worrell was not present, he was clearly following the proper procedure. So what's your point?

So what happens when they all recuse themselves.

Old Dog wrote:

Carmelite - Financial conflicts of interest are already prohibited by Indiana law. The ethics ordinance wouldn't have applied anyway. Further, owning property adjacent to, but not in a TIF area would likely not be a direct conflict of interest anyway. It sounds like Mr. Worrell nonetheless was acting out of an abundence of caution by not participating.

Are you really that naive, or perhaps just playing stupid?

This issue was not that Mr. Worrell would recuse himself, but rather that he is making decession on projects and policy that does have a direct impact upon property he owns, and his irresponsible landlord / tennent relationship, contributes to the "blighting" of an established neighborhood.

Mr. Carter, the President of the Carmel Redevelopment Commission, was all to happy, at the City Council Meeting in March to point out that the aresst of a mother in Mohawk, but apparently neglected to hold his own Carmel Redevelopment Commission Members to the same high standards.

Have these people ever heard of the basic definition of integerity - a consistancy between what they say and how they act.

With respect to the Carmel ethics policy - where do you go - to the Mayor, I understand that Mr. Worrell is one of the Mayor's appointees to the Redevelopment Commission - so he will not, has not done anythin, in the whole time that he has been mayor - except attach the previous administration, and take credit for everything good, while accepting responsiblity for nothing that could be construed as negative.

Will Ron Carter make a big announcement about his new neighborhood, or will that annoucement
state his new neighborhood is blighted.

Trolleytown wrote:

Will Ron Carter make a big announcement about his new neighborhood, or will that annoucement
state his new neighborhood is blighted.

It is unfortunate, when a person of very low personal honor, character and lacking in integerity is able to a obtain position of power - they will generally show their dark side when they are challegened or questioned.

anger leads to hate

hate leads to fear

fear leads to the dark side aka The Brainard Team

Carmel Grown wrote:

They did discuss TIF, the mayor, Ron Carter, Kevin Ryder and Cherie Piebes were for TIFs. The others that answered it were for TIFS, but not for the uses or to the extent that they are currently being used. Of course since, Kirby, Mayo and Griffiths did not attend you can only guess their opinions. However, those three have never voted a TIF down.

ron Carter is a rubber stamping Councilman, Cherie Piebes is in Brainards pocket. She has about $2,800 in campaign contributions of which $2,000 came from the "Friends of Jim Brainard" which means Brainard gave it to her. Kevin "Woody" Rider owns "Ye Old Library Woodys Place" resturant. located in old town Carmel. I think he has self serving motives. A vote for Woody is a vote for self serving spending.

I spoke too soon. I just read todays copy of the Carmel Star. Cherie PIebes owns the "Artisan Masterpiece studio,gallery,retail shop, and Art School on Main Street in Old Town Carmel. Does this also sound self serving to you? It does to me. I bet she dines alot at "Woodys Place"

nudude wrote:

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Kevin "Woody" Rider owns "Ye Old Library Woodys Place" resturant. located in old town Carmel. I think he has self serving motives. A vote for Woody is a vote for self serving spending.

Rider is basically another mouthpiece for the Mayor. Looking at his Campaign Finance Form for the primary, one can find some revealing facts, and connections.

Bruce Cordingley, Gerald Pedigo, and Phillip Stoffregen each gave $1000 to the Rider campaign. Guess where they are all connected? To PEDCOR, the same development company "partnered" with the Carmel CRC to build City Center, and other projects. Cordingley is President, Pedigo is a Director with a 10%+ stake, and Stoffregen is the Executive Vice President. Does this tell anyone anything? I discovered this information about these individuals from SEC public records.

http://www.secinfo.com/ $/SEC/Filings.asp?As=M&Nam e=jphillipstoffregen&Find= Phillip+J%2E+Stoffregen

http://www.secinfo.com/d14sr8.112Jj.htm

Another interesting contribution is from the Sharp for Council Committee, also for $1000. What can be said about that? Could it be that Sharp is giving his campaign fund to these other candidates with promises that if he has a hot contest in November that he will be reimbursed big time? Maybe some folks out there might be able to answer these questions.

The real issue here is that for seemingly no other reason, why are major contributors of Brainard now helping finance the Rider campaign? If you listen to Rider's campaign spiel, you can almost see a match to the Mayor's political pitches, and excuses for everything whether it be for the debt, TIFs, City Center, Park...the whole shebang.

Could it be that Rider was recruited in an attempt to get Rattermann off the Council? Would it not be better for the Mayor to stack his Council up with his rubber stamping friends so that he could continue his unbridled "vision" for another four years? What real benefit would Carmel have if Rider, as a firm Brainard ally, was elected?

See his campaign finance report....

http://www.co.hamilton.in.us/publicdocs/Campa... (Woody)/r_Rider,%20Kevin%20(Wo ody),%20CFA-4,%202007%20Primar y.pdf

TIME FOR A CHANGE...FOR GOODNESS SAKES!

The Links became disjointed when Topix posted my message. Here's another shot, but if it is messed up again, then just connect the two pieces, or go to www.secinfo.com , and search the names.

http://www.secinfo.com/ $/SEC/Filings.asp?As=M&Nam e=jphillipstoffregen&Find= Phillip+J%2E+Stoffregen

Also, same happened with "Woody's" campaign finance report. Better link would be:

http://www.co.hamilton.in.us/publicdocs/Campa... (Woody)

If that doesn't work, then go to the Hamilton County website, Elections, Campaign Finance Reports, to find Rider, and others.