Mormon beliefs stretch Romney's credibility

You sound like one of the many in 1960 who cried about the horrors that would happen in our country if a Catholic were elected as president. I'm sure you remember that Catholic's name..John F. Kennedy.

So what should someone belieive in to be considered in "your good graces"? To me it doesn't matter what a person believes as long as it makes them a BETTER person. Apparently you think you are above some or all of us. That makes you intolerable.
Or is it that you are from that bastion of liberalness we call Bloomington. Most likely indoctrinated at IU. Using any opportunity to tear away someones credibility because you disagree with their party. I have somne advice for you - grow up. How does it feel???

That's right Charlie,
everyone is ignorant but you. Since you have such a grasp on reality, tell us what we should believe. Then we can all be like you.

Disappointing article. One more chance to bash Mormons and Christianity. You can state emphatically that Mormons must be crazy to believe in Angels but can't tell me where the universe ends. I equate the two because they both seem improbably and yet probable. I can say this that Mormons apparently don't have the cult of pastor personality that has infected the evangelical/charismatic movement. This cult has led to the demise of such mega-church leaders as Ted Haggard and others such as Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker. It is somewaht arrongant to assume that only evangelicals/charismatics can decide who is born-again, who can proseltyze for Christ, and who can be a Christian.

In the same way, the Catholic Church is infected with this same issue as they view all other Christian churches and their members as schismatics who split away from the mother Church in Rome. The recent, chronic financial and spiritual debacle involving buggery and male "celibate" priests and young men and children in their t! utelage shows how an unchecked priesthood class can destroy an institution. Its declining attendance numbers and decreasing collection of funds indicates many dissatisfied members who have turned their backs on the church.

The Episcopal Church has also experienced similar problems. Its embrace of everything has meant that it stands for nothing. This has led to openly gay clergy appointments and led to a schism among its once proud members which will lead to the eventual demise of this once proud and rich branch of mainline Protestantism.

I would daresay that the shenanigans for Baptist Presidents such as Carter, Clinton and Gore--with some of them claiming to be born-again--do not bode well for the Baptist Church as they have not been paragons of virtue or humbleness.

I would be very careful when one looks at the early King James Version vs. the Geneva Bible and even going back earlier to look at the early Christian Church to see how much things have changed to! really see what Christianity was defined as by the early Jewish converts before one embarks on savaging the LDS Church. Maybe then, all these purported evangelical Mormon-bashing columnists might gain some new personality traits: humbleness and meekness.

I suppose you would never see a letter in the paper calling those who believe in, oh, let's say Islam, to be "delusional". It's easy to snark when you're sure the target won't fight back.

Hey Charlie -- you know what I believe? I believe you're an idiot.

I usually do not like to directly make fun of anyone one person, whether on the forums or what someone writes in the newspaper, but this is by far one of the dumbest things I have ever read here. In order to "be a Mormon," Romney does not necessarily HAVE to believe any of those things you mentioned. In order to perhaps be a GOOD Mormon he may believe, but he does not have to just to be a member of the faith (some of it, yes, but not everything to a tee).

I have a ton of problems with organized religion (and I think a lot of people completely distort their religions too often -- which as we have seen over thousands of years -- causes much warfare, violence, and hate), but there are a lot of people out there that practice their religion without creating any problems at all.

By the way, where have you gotten your numbers? Only 4/7ths of the world's population will believe in some form of religion (I assume you are lumping all religions into your claims)? Seems like more like 6/7ths of people believe in SOME sort of higher power, not 4/7ths worth.

But, I don't have the numbers to back up my claim...apparently you do because your letter to the editor made so much sense anyways.

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Considering that most of the country believes in virgin birth, resurrection, that the earth was literally created in six days, and that Moses parted the Red Sea and walked through the middle, I don't think that Romney's religion is any more out there than any other religion's beliefs.

Get It Right wrote:

In the same way, the Catholic Church is infected with this same issue as they view all other Christian churches and their members as schismatics who split away from the mother Church in Rome.

I no longer consider myself a Catholic (I practice Zen), and have many beliefs that conflict with it, but I'm pretty sure that during Vatican II the church stated "those who have not yet received the Gospel" can still get into heaven as long as they are good people.

That's awfully small minded and ignoranty of you.

The author of this must be an atheist because a religious believer of any sort would never make this argument. Think about people who believe in parted red seas, virgin births, prophets talking to God, resurrections. Religion is full of mystery and faith.

Check your facts, Charlie. First of all, every christian person believes in visions. Look at every Old Testiment prophet... they all had visions. Even in New Testiment times there were visions and miracles. So by saying Romney must be dillusional, you are saying all christians are dillusional.

It appears that Charlie Sitzes is yet one other person who has himself been brainwashed by Evangelical preachers who hate to see their followers being taught about the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ, because of the lost revenue into his own pockets, as well as hate-filled propaganda from those who have been ex-communicated from the Church and are unwilling to accept their own responsibility for their actions that caused them to be ex-communicated in the first place; this is nothing new to those of us who are "Mormons", since we've been the target of such misguided, misinformed and malignent sophostry ever since the church was founded in 1830.

Stupid wrote:

Check your facts, Charlie. First of all, every christian person believes in visions. Look at every Old Testiment prophet... they all had visions. Even in New Testiment times there were visions and miracles. So by saying Romney must be dillusional, you are saying all christians are dillusional.

He is saying all Christians are delusional (as well as other standard religions). When he refers to "pregnant virgins" and "dead men walking", he is talking about Christianity.

I still think his numbers are way off when he says in five years only four billion out of seven billion will believe in one of these religions (there have to be more people who believe in a "religion" than this, I would think).

I also disagree with his assumption that we are standing "on the abyss of the collapse of civilization as we know it". Every civilization since the first one has probably had someone saying exactly what he did -- and yet somehow the world (and its people) has managed to move on, and will continue to do so, long after Charlie Sitzes, you, and I are dead.

Oh, I get it. The only rational ones (and thus the only ones suitable for public office) out there are the atheists, who believe that the entire history of world events is properly explained by a framework that excludes the divine or supernatural. To me, such a view requires a larger leap of faith than that required by mainstream Christianity.

Then why not write off everyone who believes in a God who commands a man to establish a floating zoo and wipes the whole earth off in the flood, in a man who turns water into wine, other Biblical polygamist-prophets (Abraham, David, and Jacob), and in people who claim that a man parted the largest body of water in the middle east hither and thither.

Well Charlie

that man with his believe in prophets, angels, etc, its a multimillinaire man.

and you not,

ignorance its equal to poverish

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Charlie -
I am so grateful that there are people like you because you prove the point - "Those who do not belief in something will fall for anything."

- God bless you,