Pakistan Army Claims More Advances in Offensive

It was the Barack Obama-John Kerri’s idea to use the Pakistani Army to fight the Taliban and al Qaida Islamic terrorists instead of our US troops that under Obama are refrained from shooting at the good Islamic terrorists. However, it will takes years for the Pakistani Army to capture and kill few Islamic terrorists who left their houses in the rural mountains of ‘nowhere’ and are hiding the caves like Osama Bin laden. In the meantime close to 200,000 Pakistanis became refugees after they left their homes to save their lives in the fighting zone.
Soon the Pakistan troops will be stuck with their armored vehicles and tanks in the snow until next spring and the war will end with no achievements and no defeat of the Taliban Islamic terrorists which will be just another failure of the African Muslim born commander in chief Barack Obama and his envoy John Kerri that paid 7.5 billion dollars of the American hard earned tax money to the Pakistani army for attacking the Islamic terrorists show.
US drone attacks that killed 25 Islamic terrorists and civilians did not change the fact that drones cannot overcome the Islamic terrorists who fight Guerilla type war and hiding in the mountain caves like Osama Bin Laden.
The Taliban and al Qaida Islamic terrorists left Waziristan to attack the Pakistani military targets all over Pakistan including shooting down military helicopter and attacking air force base.

dear jones,
you have given a set of problems.....
can you suggest a solution???

despite our aid to pakistan a majority of this country want us out so its hard to get in there and get taliban

without u.s. help insurgents are more likely to hit a major pakistan nuclear facility

SUICIDE BOMBER STRIKES NEAR NUCLEAR FACILITY

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/A...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/pakistan-su...

also u.s. will need to go public admitting that there is a major security concern in pakistan to gain more international support

i'm sure we have drones there right now and covert forces, but is that enough?

not convinced that pakistan is even capable of defeating taliban - al queada, u.s. witholding aid at this point would result in insurgents acquiring nuclear weapons causing india to delcare war on pakistan

INDIA ACCUSES PAKISTAN OF HELPING INSURGENTS ON BORDER

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1A1-D91RP1S00...

U.S. UK CONFIDENT IN PAKISTAN SECURITY (oct 11 2009)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33265039

pakistan army killed many people who were innocent so whether they advanced or not its same.

debasis behera wrote:

dear jones,
you have given a set of problems.....
can you suggest a solution???

Sure, It is time to allow our US troops to use their aircrafts, artillery, missies and tanks to defeat the savage an brutal Islamic terrorists that threaten to destroy the civilized world according to the Quran using dirty nuclear bombs packaged in suitcases.

tayyab manzoor wrote:

pakistan army killed many people who were innocent so whether they advanced or not its same.

Advanced is one word not applicable to Pakistan in any category.

dear jones,
we must understand that the taliban has a dream to establish a their version of islamic state in pakistan. after that they would expand their version of islamic state to other countries. these militants , if could get access to nuclear bomb, can create havoc. we must not forget that isi and pakistani establishment had created them as a force to achive their own political objective. but in this process, many personal of their own establishment had consumed the poision of islamic fundamentalism and this is the greater threat. even now the so called "pak amry is taking action" is just an eyewash. the real power centre of pakistan doesnot want to destory their own strategic asset. US planner should consider these facts. i have heard that within 2 to 3 years taliban is going to be a force with 1/2 of pak army. at that time it would be more difficult to control (if not finish)them.

KafirInfidel wrote:

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Advanced is one word not applicable to Pakistan in any category.

well that's good,
is this your opinion on the basis of their killing of innocents or you are another nationalist who likes to blame his opponents.(like pakistanis accuse indians & indians accuse pakistanis)

tayyab manzoor wrote:

<quoted text>well that's good,
is this your opinion on the basis of their killing of innocents or you are another nationalist who likes to blame his opponents.(like pakistanis accuse indians & indians accuse pakistanis)

The charade in Pakistan has been going on for over 25 years. Pakistan created the problem for itself but refuses to acknowledge it. In the meanwhile, the cancer continues to grow within Pakistan and the only way Pakistan knows how to deal with it is saying: India caused the cancer. When will Pakistan learn to acknowledge its missteps and move forward? It is costing Pakistan every day.

KafirInfidel wrote:

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The charade in Pakistan has been going on for over 25 years. Pakistan created the problem for itself but refuses to acknowledge it. In the meanwhile, the cancer continues to grow within Pakistan and the only way Pakistan knows how to deal with it is saying: India caused the cancer. When will Pakistan learn to acknowledge its missteps and move forward? It is costing Pakistan every day.

hmm so u r indian"that same story".

tayyab manzoor wrote:

pakistan army killed many people who were innocent so whether they advanced or not its same.

dear tayyab,
you have given an view in just two lines and i think it is not enough to communicate what you want to communicate. can you give detail of what you want to say.

tayyab manzoor wrote:

<quoted text>hmm so u r indian"that same story".

Yep, the same story. Do you have a different version? Do share!

KafirInfidel wrote:

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Yep, the same story. Do you have a different version? Do share!

I was talking about that story which you pakis & indian
share with us for the last 62 years(propagate hatred against each other & told to the other opponent that every problem in your country is just because of your intervention or involvement) why not you take responsibility of what you did or do in your own home(I mean the frustration & subjugation of common man by a minority).....
the problem is that both(pakis & indians) should solve their own problems inside their territory rather to go & do a blame game.
i hope u understand my point.....

tayyab manzoor wrote:

<quoted text>I was talking about that story which you pakis & indian
share with us for the last 62 years(propagate hatred against each other & told to the other opponent that every problem in your country is just because of your intervention or involvement) why not you take responsibility of what you did or do in your own home(I mean the frustration & subjugation of common man by a minority).....
the problem is that both(pakis & indians) should solve their own problems inside their territory rather to go & do a blame game.
i hope u understand my point.....

I understand your point. Now honestly answer one question: Is India responsible for the present mess in Pakistan?

KafirInfidel wrote:

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I understand your point. Now honestly answer one question: Is India responsible for the present mess in Pakistan?

honestly,i do'nt think so, but pakistanis says so that indians are responsible(things like that) & pakistanis also responsible for many things in india as indians say so, whatever was/is happening in their territories is/was just because of their own ill deeds.
i hope u get my point

tayyab manzoor wrote:

<quoted text>honestly,i do'nt think so, but pakistanis says so that indians are responsible(things like that) & pakistanis also responsible for many things in india as indians say so, whatever was/is happening in their territories is/was just because of their own ill deeds.
i hope u get my point

Hillary has provided her two cents, Hope that is an eye opener for pakis...

1) Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s public dressing down of Pakistan during a three-day visit there, including virtually accusing the country of complicity with al-Qaida, has left Pakistan gasping for breath.

2) "Al-Qaida has had safe haven in Pakistan since 2002, I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn't get them if they really wanted to."

3) "Maybe that's the case; maybe they're not gettable...I don't know. As far as we know, they are in Pakistan."

4) At one point during the exchanges, when a journalist spoke about all the services rendered by Pakistan for the US, Mrs Clinton snapped, "We have also given you billions."

5) "there are issues that not just the United States but others have with your government and with your military security establishment."

6) Clinton said, adding, in a reference to the large-scale tax evasion in the Pakistan.''The percentage of taxes on GDP is among the lowest in the world... We (the United States) tax everything that moves and doesn’t move, and that’s not what we see in Pakistan."

7) She then issued a stark warning to the country:''You do have 180 million people. Your population is projected to be about 300 million. And I don’t know what you’re gonna do with that kind of challenge, unless you start planning right now."

8) She issued a warning to a questioner who complained about the US forcing Pakistan to fight a war on its own territory: "If you want to see your territory shrink [by allowing terrorists to expand their space], that’s your choice. But I don’t think that’s the right choice."

GlobeSon wrote:

Hillary has provided her two cents, Hope that is an eye opener for pakis...

well,u have pointed out serious problems in Pakistan & give the reference of Mrs. Clinton talking,well without going straight to the point 1, my suggestion for you to see things in this way too that Pakistan is a poor country, with so much of corruption with so much of unrest, unequal human rights, killing of innocents, etc. illiteracy & there is a list of problems which u might can't even count,but the thing is that these problems related to the pakis. & let them solve & think about that, you(indians) should solve your problems, like poverty (according to Poverty estimates for 2004-05, Planning commission, Government of India, March 2007. 27.5% of the population was living below the poverty line in 2004–2005 )& things are no better than that now too,& you have the same problem in your country too like illiteracy, unrest, & the same problem which any third world country so what's the difference between u & pakis, both are from the same coin,i advice (pakis & indians both) do'nt be extra nationalist that u forget your problems, u should criticize other if u live in paradise.
coming to the other points, this is not a hidden truth that US is bloodthirsty, he wants his interest fulfil even on the expense of killing of innocents & regarding algaedaa everybody knows that who they r & what is there agenda....
hope u get my point.....

tayyab manzoor wrote:

<quoted text>honestly,i do'nt think so, but pakistanis says so that indians are responsible(things like that) & pakistanis also responsible for many things in india as indians say so, whatever was/is happening in their territories is/was just because of their own ill deeds.
i hope u get my point

I get it-thanks for your clarification. Peace!

tayyab manzoor wrote:

<quoted text>well,u have pointed out serious problems in Pakistan & give the reference of Mrs. Clinton talking,well without going straight to the point 1, my suggestion for you to see things in this way too that Pakistan is a poor country, with so much of corruption with so much of unrest, unequal human rights, killing of innocents, etc. illiteracy & there is a list of problems which u might can't even count,but the thing is that these problems related to the pakis. & let them solve & think about that, you(indians) should solve your problems, like poverty (according to Poverty estimates for 2004-05, Planning commission, Government of India, March 2007. 27.5% of the population was living below the poverty line in 2004–2005 )& things are no better than that now too,& you have the same problem in your country too like illiteracy, unrest, & the same problem which any third world country so what's the difference between u & pakis, both are from the same coin,i advice (pakis & indians both) do'nt be extra nationalist that u forget your problems, u should criticize other if u live in paradise.
coming to the other points, this is not a hidden truth that US is bloodthirsty, he wants his interest fulfil even on the expense of killing of innocents & regarding algaedaa everybody knows that who they r & what is there agenda....
hope u get my point.....

Tayyab:
any Indian would get your point.

Do not try to equate India and Pak though. India, as a nation, has been pretty focused at its own development, growth, and strengthing its social/political systems. The only time we think of Pak is when a bunch of Pakistani terrorists infilterate into India and kill innocent civilians.

I do not criticise Pak for the problems which are inherent to most 3rd world countries.

What i strongly condemn and highlight is the policy of Pak govt/army/ISI of sponsoring, training, exporting jihadi terrorists - that has backfired on common pak people.

I criticize the Pak policy instituted by Ge.Zia of "bleeding India by a thousand cuts"!

I hope you get my point.