Majority in Kashmir Valley want independence: poll

My kashmir wrote:

This is the right of kashmiri peoples if they want go to india then pakistan should must accept this kashmiri refrendom if kashmiri want go to pakistan then india should accept this kashmiri refrendom
About 60 years before pakistan saying this is the right of kashmiri peoples what they want we pakistani can accept kashmiri refrendom. But pakistan saying last 60 years this kashmiri refrendom shoud become be under the united nation
But india doesnot accept this proposal because india know all kashmiri like pakistan and want become the part of pakistan
about 60 years indian 1 million army in kashmir
but kashmiri peoples are killing the indian army
india cannot win the kashmiri war yet 1000 years
inshallah kashmiri becone a part of pakistan
jeay pak

baad indyan wrote:

We should give them independence, on several conditions.
1) Pakistan will also have to give independence to Gilgit, Baltistan, Azad Kashmir and withdraw its troops.
2) The new government may be Islamic (Sharia-based) or secular, but it MUST provide safe return for Kashmiri Pandits.
3) They will consult us in the writing of their constitution, and there will be clauses that detail the rights and PRIVILEDGES of religious minorities, as in quotas for jobs, academia, civil services, police, government administration, bank loans, etc.
4) They will remain a military protectorate of the Republic of India. Kashmir is of strategic value to us as it breathes onto crucial passage of south and central Asia.
This will be a far better solution for India and for Kashmir's Hindus and Muslims.
Oh, I forgot, Jammu and Ladakh need to be partitioned off, and kept as part of India proper.

Sohail wrote:

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I agree with you upto some extent
1 when you say pakistan should leave gilgit,AJK, and Baltistan and India should keep Ladakh and jammu so how it will be acceptable to pakistan and kashmiris?
2. Kashmiris were never Islamic fundamentalist, they were moderate muslims and still are so.At the time when Kashmiri pandits left from kashmir it were kashmiri muslims who ensured them the safe exit and still kashmiris feel that kashmiriyat is incomplete without Pandits so having a shariat constitution will not effect the rights of pandits because the masses respect the minority.
3. How pakistan will or can accept that only india military presence in kashmir.--Not workable

baad indyan wrote:

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Well, these should be demands that India puts up, definitely negotiable. Jammuites and Ladakhis are not ethnic Kashmiris, nor are they Muslim-majority. Otherwise we can make one mega state out of JK, Punjab, Himachal and Haryana and then claim Hindu-Sikh majority. There is definitely ZERO separatist demand from anyone from Jammu or Ladakh or the Hindus of Kashmir valley.
And this "safe exit", what joke is this? If they were truly moderates, they would have stood up for them against the terrorist mercenaries that told them to clear off from Kashmir.
And I mentioned, Kashmir can go put whatever tag it wants on its government type, but there will HAVE TO be provisions of special order for Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists. India should promote a sovereign body of Kashmiri Pandits that can work on this. Something on the order of the NAACP in the US or the All-India Muslim Personal Law Board in India. Even if they will form 10% of the population, they should claim 30% of reservations in all departments due to natural discrimination.
Kashmiris that want freedom should accept these things. We are the ones occupying, so we have some leeway in leaving the place as how we see fit.
We could probably negotiate on the troops thing, perhaps India gets to remain in Siachen. What I meant by troop withdrawal was doing it from all civilian areas.

jeay pak wrote:

we the pakistani cannot loss kashmir. kashmir is a neck (shehrug)of pakistan
we pakistani can fight on kashmir 1000 years no problem.
kashmir is a natural part of pakistan
All kashmiri like pakistan
kashmir is a heart of pakistan.we cannot loss kashmir
inshalla kashmir become a part of pakistan inshallah
Kehte hain ke kashmir jannat hai
aor kafir summ jannat kisi kafir ko millah nahi karti
jeay pakistan

proudly wrote:

kashmir is a natural part of pakistan.pakistani peoples can die but cannot losse kashmir in any cost.
we can destroy kashnir with automic bomb but cannot lose this is a heart of pakistan
This is a true of kashmir

Sohail wrote:

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Brother, on the one hand you want to divide J&K on religion basis and on other you want Pandits to come back to Kashmir.These are two seperate thoughts and you cannot mix both.If there is division on religion basis then pandits are at there prefect place by now.One thing I want to clear to you that Kashmiris want some solution to problem but not at the cost of dividing the state but reunfication of the state to pre-1947 position.
Regarding 'safe exit' this was not a joke this was what a common kashmiri was able to help the pandits at that time.The kashmiris were helpless between the guns of both parties not only that time they were helpless when Maharaja was ruling them and taking the poor kashmiris to forced labour, they were helpless when india and pakistan both occupied kashmir by force they couldnt did anything.
i believe solution lies in the negotiations between all the 3 parties only honesty and will is required and without dividing the state.

proudly wrote:

kashmir is a natural part of pakistan.pakistani peoples can die but cannot losse kashmir in any cost.
we can destroy kashnir with automic bomb but cannot lose this is a heart of pakistan
This is a true of kashmir

Sohail wrote:

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What is this natural part of Pakistan?
Kashmir is a seperate nation for centuries,you should first read the history then talk OK.
If religion is common that doesnt mean that it is a part of pakistan and if so why then all muslim countries of world are not a one country why there are borders between muslim countries, why iran was fighting with iraq,why you allowed others to enter afghanistan and iraq.
First you should think of saving your own country then talk of using atomic bomb on kashmir.

Sohail wrote:

For you it can be ethnic but it will be seen as religion by masses. Jammu and Ladakh form a part of state not now from centuries.India will not like to seperate only kashmir region and allow pakistan to make it a new afghanistan.It is in indian intrest to keep J&K united.
No one is the boss here Indian has to come to kashmir for religion pilgrimage for Amarnath and Vishnu devi so how they think of being a boss and will leave the muslim majority kashmir region as they wish.
Regarding Pandits, you are far away from the reality what happened at that time and who made they to leave kashmir.
Regarding Biharis Yes they are there as labours not residents. They do hardwork and get paid and we pay them well than any other state of india as we respect the human values and believe in humanity

baad indyan wrote:

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You are forgetting that the Hindus have more right to Kashmir than the Muslims. They are more indigeneous should I say, even though today they are in minority due to various reasons.
And yes, India is the boss here. We can easily do to Kashmir what China is doing to Tibet and Sin Kiang. I hope you know that other Indians cannot be residents of JK. It is special provision for Kashmir. Now we can easily repeal that and make you minority in your land, just like you have made your own Hindus.