Don't blame Proposition 13

Curly Red wrote:

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If it was not of Prop 13 you would have been taxed out of your house!!! The out of control spending legislators would have raised your property tax so high that you would not be able to afford living in this state.

Ripped off again wrote:

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You are 110% CORRECT !!!!!!
Too bad the Prop 13 haters haven't figured this out yet ...

Ripped off again wrote:

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Prop 14 ????

Charlie-Ar wrote:

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More than likely most 13 haters are renters and don't realize higher property taxes means higher rents. Their vote counts as much as the tax burdened property owner. When it comes to property taxes for schools and other improvements the renter doesn't have too pay so vote in favor of the tax. Eventually, the non-property owners will out vote the property owners and there goes prop 13, especially, if the two thirds vote goes away.

Ripped off again wrote:

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At the rate thing are going downhill it won't be long before I'm taxed out of my house ...
WE are going to be in trouble ...

Harold Bolquist wrote:

I have learned lately that teachers whine way to much. The retired teachers I know own their own home and are traveling the world. Doesn't sound like they're on welfare to me, but oh can they whine!

Harold Bolquist wrote:

I have learned lately that teachers whine way to much. The retired teachers I know own their own home and are traveling the world. Doesn't sound like they're on welfare to me, but oh can they whine!

Curly Red wrote:

Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association and Tim Bittle won another significant victory for the Taxpayers.
"Judge Rules Pensions Funded by Taxpayers Should Be Public Knowledge."
A retired employee had sued the county retirement board claiming that the amount paid to her in retirement was her private property and that releasing the information to the public would invade her privacy.
HJTA attorneys intervened in the case and argued that, unlike the IRAs and 401k plans of private citizens whose retirement depends on their own savings and investment performance, public employee "defined benefit" plans pay a guaranteed amount, funded by taxpayers. Moreover, they argued, pension "spiking," which is the practice of manipulating employment statistics to boost employees pension amounts, is a widespread abuse that is costing taxpayers millions.
Thank you Tim Bittle and HJTA!!

Vouchers wrote:

Folks, if you want to improve public education, support school vouchers. Competition for our tax dollars will break up the corrupt monopoly that rule our childrens education.
Otherwise, nothing will change, including the 25% statewide dropout rate.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.
A. Einstein

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Julie Timmerman wrote:

Obviously, you don't work in the educational system. In California, we had a funny notion where the funding should be equal in all schools. Children that lived in a wealthy neighborhood should not receive a better education because of which neighborhood they lived in. A decision was made that funding would be done on a per pupil basis to promote equity across the state. Prop 13 was the response. It was also heavily funded by large companies to trick people into thinking they were protecting seniors. It was lobbying by the corporations to get huge tax breaks. It is the children who are suffering the consequences.
People that have a very nice house already don't need to move. So, if you are rich, you don't move and your taxes don't change. Also, giant companies that never move are paying nearly the same as they were in 1978. That is nuts. On the other hand, if you are an average person, you move every 7 years and you are the one paying the majority of the taxes. If you are in your 20's and buying your first house you also are footing the bill.
The state is cutting educatiion by 12 billion dollars. Vacaville alone cut 12.3 million. Classes are overcrowded. Computers are old and don't work. Teachers are overworked and underpaid. Students do not have the enrichment opportunities (like social studies and science, not to mention art and music) that every child deserves. Our responsibilities as part of a community is to educate our children, giving them all the opportunities that they deserve.
All of us need to pay more taxes so that the children can get the education that they deserve whether they are in a good neighborhood or not. The educational system in California needs more money and we should all foot the bill for that, it is a most worthy cause.

Julie Timmerman wrote:

Obviously, you don't work in the educational system. In California, we had a funny notion where the funding should be equal in all schools. Children that lived in a wealthy neighborhood should not receive a better education because of which neighborhood they lived in. A decision was made that funding would be done on a per pupil basis to promote equity across the state. Prop 13 was the response. It was also heavily funded by large companies to trick people into thinking they were protecting seniors. It was lobbying by the corporations to get huge tax breaks. It is the children who are suffering the consequences.
People that have a very nice house already don't need to move. So, if you are rich, you don't move and your taxes don't change. Also, giant companies that never move are paying nearly the same as they were in 1978. That is nuts. On the other hand, if you are an average person, you move every 7 years and you are the one paying the majority of the taxes. If you are in your 20's and buying your first house you also are footing the bill.
The state is cutting educatiion by 12 billion dollars. Vacaville alone cut 12.3 million. Classes are overcrowded. Computers are old and don't work. Teachers are overworked and underpaid. Students do not have the enrichment opportunities (like social studies and science, not to mention art and music) that every child deserves. Our responsibilities as part of a community is to educate our children, giving them all the opportunities that they deserve.
All of us need to pay more taxes so that the children can get the education that they deserve whether they are in a good neighborhood or not. The educational system in California needs more money and we should all foot the bill for that, it is a most worthy cause.

Politically Incorrect wrote:

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If you are a teacher, then you are an perfect example of what is wrong with the public education system. Prop. 13 was not passed as a response to anything except stopping government from taxing citizens out of their homes. Educate yourself on the subject matter and learn to write rational arguments.