Tuskegee airman readies for honor

Jm West wrote:

The Tuskegee Airmen also trained in Columbus and Seymour. In fact, racial discrimination came to an end primarily because of their "sit-in" at Freeman Field, Seymour, IN. President Truman signed the proclamation just a few days following the protest.
You can read all about it at the official site, www.IndianaMilitary.org , click on "Freeman AAF".
Jim West, webmaster

Excellent info and web site. We have linked to it from our site.

My landlord, James Walker, is another Hoosier Tuskegee Airmen who should be mentioned. He is a wonderful gentlemanm although in poor health right now. I salute you, Mr. Walker!

How can I present the facts to make my position any clearer?

First of all, this is not a Military Honor, it is a Civilian Honor. Their military cough-"Accomplishment "-cough is not being "Honored" by this "Award," that was attained through lobbying efforts, and is based on the premise of perceived "discrimination" that they supposedly suffered from at the hands of Whites upon their return to the US after the war.

The fact is that for decades after the war they conspired to lie about their military record, making the ludicrous claim that they had "Never lost a bomber". When in fact they had lost numerous bombers during their missions.

Of course when they started lobbying for undue recognition for their cough-"Accomplishments "-cough, a simple search of their battle reports found the truth that they had attempted to cover up.

The bottom line, is that there are those who fought the real battles on the ground, who risked real life and real limb during the war, who are more deserving of recognition for their real accomplishments.

Besides, I really don't believe that there is any "honor" for those who murdered millions of innocent civilians as the Allies bombed the Axis into the stone age, and then left them to rot behind the Iron Curtain for a half-century.

It is apparent that these evil/unethical self-promoters have no problem sleeping at night.

For their sins, may they burn in Hell for eternity.

Judas_Christ wrote:

Just more Politically Correct BS.
Here is an overlooked story of a true hero and recipient of the MoH: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

Well, the person in the article you linked to got a medal of honor, so what's the problem. The truth is we should recognize our World War II soldiers and especially those that have overcome undue hardships or obstacles to serve this country honorably and for little pay.

So its hard to see where your bitterness is coming from. You link to an award recipients' article so it doesn't appear you are against WWII soldiers being recognized. So what is it specifically about the Tuskegee Airmen that riles you so?

From your posts I can't easily determine if you are proud of our WWII soldiers are against them. And your post name of "judas_christ" is equally a contradiction. Thus, perhaps a better name would be "benedict_arnold" because your traitorous disrespect to WWII soldiers is incomprehensible.

The bottom line, is that there are those who fought the real battles on the ground, who risked real life and real limb during the war, who are more deserving of recognition for their real accomplishments.
Besides, I really don't believe that there is any "honor" for those who murdered millions of innocent civilians as the Allies bombed the Axis into the stone age, and then left them to rot behind the Iron Curtain for a half-century.
It is apparent that these evil/unethical self-promoters have no problem sleeping at night.
For their sins, may they burn in Hell for eternity.

Again, what side of WWII were you on. You have displaced anger issues bordering on the traitorous. Do you know how many people lost their lives in the air. Do you know how many bomber crews never made it home. 1 in 3 were shot down on many runs. And although we strike from the air with precision guided missiles now, no such thing existed in WWII. But even then the allies tried their best to only hit sensitive and industrial targets, which was more than the Nazis did with their indiscriminate missile bombardment of England.
And believe it or not, discrimination for these soldiers did exist. And I can see from your posts that as long as their are those that think traitorous thoughts like you, discrimination will continue to exist and will prevent this nation from truly being as united, powerful and blessed as it could be.

Judas_Christ wrote:

How can I present the facts to make my position any clearer?
First of all, this is not a Military Honor, it is a Civilian Honor. Their military cough-"Accomplishment "-cough is not being "Honored" by this "Award," that was attained through lobbying efforts, and is based on the premise of perceived "discrimination" that they supposedly suffered from at the hands of Whites upon their return to the US after the war.
The fact is that for decades after the war they conspired to lie about their military record, making the ludicrous claim that they had "Never lost a bomber". When in fact they had lost numerous bombers during their missions.
Of course when they started lobbying for undue recognition for their cough-"Accomplishments "-cough, a simple search of their battle reports found the truth that they had attempted to cover up.
The bottom line, is that there are those who fought the real battles on the ground, who risked real life and real limb during the war, who are more deserving of recognition for their real accomplishments.
Besides, I really don't believe that there is any "honor" for those who murdered millions of innocent civilians as the Allies bombed the Axis into the stone age, and then left them to rot behind the Iron Curtain for a half-century.
It is apparent that these evil/unethical self-promoters have no problem sleeping at night.
For their sins, may they burn in Hell for eternity.

Again, what side of WWII were you on. You have displaced anger issues bordering on the traitorous. Do you know how many people lost their lives in the air. Do you know how many bomber crews never made it home. 1 in 3 were shot down on many runs. And although we strike from the air with precision guided missiles now, no such thing existed in WWII. But even then the allies tried their best to only hit sensitive and industrial targets, which was more than the Nazis did with their indiscriminate missile bombardment of England.
And believe it or not, discrimination for these soldiers did exist. And I can see from your posts that as long as their are those that think traitorous thoughts like you, discrimination will continue to exist and will prevent this nation from truly being as united, powerful and blessed as it could be.

Is about time he gets what he was fighting for!

It is about time he gets what he was fighting for!

OUTSTANDING... As I sit in my office this morning, Mar 29,2007 explaining to my colleagues, all under 27 yrs old, why the Tuskegee airmen and this award is so important...
Congratulations and Thank you, for your outstanding service and patience.
God Bless...

I cannot believe the underlying hated reflected in Judas_Christ's comments. How sad.

Congratulations to the Airmen. I think a current event story should be done on all the remaining Airmen, what a blessing they are to us, as a black race, and to the world as a whole.

Thank's for doing a great service

My congratulations to Mr. Palmer. I had an opportunity many years ago to sit with my children and hear his story. What an amazing man he is. We have his book at home that we purchased that day and it is one of my husbands prized posessions. These stories are not only important from a black history stand point, but an american history stand point and I am so glad that my children got to hear his story and meet this amazing man.

Judas Christ shows his colors when he talks about murdering millions of civilians. No good deed can go unpunished with his type. He hates everything. There is no perspective in his thoughts. He spends his days feeling so superior cause he finds fault. Not even worth the air he breaths. A total human waste of time.
Now that I got that off my chest, Mr Palmer deserves every bit of recognition that comes his way. May God Bless him and every veteran. Thank you for your sacrafice and service to your country.

Judas_Christ wrote:

...The bottom line, is that there are those who fought the real battles on the ground, who risked real life and real limb during the war, who are more deserving of recognition for their real accomplishments...

...Besides, I really don't believe that there is any "honor" for those who murdered millions of innocent civilians as the Allies bombed the Axis into the stone age, and then left them to rot behind the Iron Curtain for a half-century...

...For their sins, may they burn in Hell for eternity.

You start off your first comments to this thread by saying how a True Hero was over looked and how he should be recognized, who by the way was a PILOT, and then go on a tirade agains anybody who faught in the Army Air Corp during WWII...?

I knew your logic would be hard to follow.

Let me guess, you have a lot of resentment built up against the Air Force because they refused your entry for failing to meet their standards. Right?

GhettoBlaster wrote:

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No moron, it's simple.

Partly correct. While I am not a "Moron", I was looking at this in simplistic terms. I was looking at this as a group of military veterans being honored for their service.

I spoke to some of the citizens of your city and they stated that they saw nothing in your papers on the Tuskegee Airman. I was so happy when I check out on the web site that you actually did write a story the day before. I am wondering, why nothing was written about the actual ceremony. As it was History in the making right before our eyes. I was there as I currently dates an airman from Michigan.
Even with those that are not particularly fond of our President, stated that he spoked so outstandingly, and that he did. It was awesome! I would encourage all those that did not hear him, to please look it up on the web, as there were so many reporters with cameras that were clicking off, you would have thought you hear hail storm.
Thanks for what you did write, something is better than nothing.

Thank you Mr. Palmer for your service and dedication to your country and family and especially for each of those 158 times you climbed into your aircraft and put your life on the line so that I and millions of other Americans could enjoy our freedom.

I was blessed and lucky enough to have met Mr Palmer about twenty years ago. I worked with his son at IU and I was invited up to Indy for lunch with "Mom and Dad". I'll always remember and cherish that afternoon spent with the Palmers. I walked away feeling that I had just met two of the most amazing, wonderful and loving people that I'd ever hope to meet. We only talked a little about Mr Palmer's days in WWII. I'm sure that more than anything during the ceremony, Mr Palmer thought mostly of his friends and brothers in arms that didn't make it back home. That's the kind of person Mr Palmer impressed me as being.

Your squadron were my father-in-law's gaurdian angels on several missions and my life would be so very different today if he had been lost over Europe.

Thank you sir and may God bless you and yours.

If you or any family finds this message please know that I'd like to find Robert. I've not seen him in fifteen years and would really like to talk with him.

Tired of backwards Indy wrote:

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Whether they lost a plane that they escorted or not is irrelevant at this point. Yes, they do deserve the recognition!

Black fighter pilots lost planes under their escort. This doesn't mean that they didn't do their jobs bravely and well! White fighter pilots lost planes too; in fact, a detailed study showed that the two groups lost planes at the exact same rate.

I am very proud of my uncle Dr John H Driver for his gallant effort during WW2. As if the war were not hard enough being a Black man in that era was made it almost impossible for some. Becoming a Tuskegee Airman was something the men relished. He along with his comrades showed enormous bravery and the willingness to fight for the freedom of all Americans. It is indeed an honor for my uncle to have become a Tuskegee Airman and to leave a legacy of pride.