Smoking bans aren't hurting business, Boise bars say

Of course there will be new patrons all that are non smokers. All the smokers have beem outcasted and chased off with no place of thier own to gather and socialize with their alike minded peers. It has been good for the non smokers to have all the say on everything and smokers to have nothing. Guess all the taxes smokers pay and provate owners who wanted to make their own choice on the matter the non smoking tax payers everywhere should foot the bill for a Town created just for smokers in each and every state just for smokers, workers, owmners ect to live seperate and apart from the anit smokers. ANY ANIT SMOKING VOLUNTERRS?

Kids will get more exposure to smoke than ever before now that adults will be gathering at homes to drink and smoke. Why not just send the kids to the bars? Ireland is thinking of converting its many closed pubs into teen clubs.

"As far as getting customers to comply with the no-smoking rule, they say enforcement has been a non-issue."

Imagine that. Actual good citizenship--even among smokers.

generalsn1234567 wrote:

Kids will get more exposure to smoke than ever before now that adults will be gathering at homes to drink and smoke. Why not just send the kids to the bars? Ireland is thinking of converting its many closed pubs into teen clubs.

Ah, more from the sour grapes clan.

Businesses aren't harmed, smokers are complying, life is good--so the general has to resort to this line of crap to maintain his position as a downer.

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Jenna wrote:

Of course there will be new patrons all that are non smokers. All the smokers have beem outcasted and chased off with no place of thier own to gather and socialize with their alike minded peers. It has been good for the non smokers to have all the say on everything and smokers to have nothing. Guess all the taxes smokers pay and provate owners who wanted to make their own choice on the matter the non smoking tax payers everywhere should foot the bill for a Town created just for smokers in each and every state just for smokers, workers, owmners ect to live seperate and apart from the anit smokers. ANY ANIT SMOKING VOLUNTERRS?

Oh you poor little whiney BABY!!! You smokers have had ALL the bars and restaurants for years and years. How dare you smokers think you can continue to harm others with your second hand smoke. This isn't the 1970's any longer!

Owners are not allowed to make their own choices for GOOD REASONS. Patrons and Employees are safer with the laws, codes and ordinances that the Owners have to follow to keep their doors open to the public. If the owners don't like the new law they are welcome to find another line of work. Something smokers have been telling us non-smokers for years, remember what it was? "If the non-smoking employees don't like the smoke they can work somewhere else", seems the shoe is on the other foot, Pal.

Second Hand Smoke is a health hazard, PERIOD!

And it's long overdue that YOUR habit is no longer welcome and if you can't go to a bar without smoking then it's time for you to stay the heck home. Smokers are social misfits and your habit is no longer allowed.

Go Boise!!! Smoke Free and moving forward...

Here's a page with some charts and lists showing progress in 100% smoke-free workplace, bar, and restaurant regulations. E-cigs must also be covered in order for an ordinance to appear in the list.

http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/current_smokefree...

Health Issue wrote:

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Oh you poor little whiney BABY!!! You smokers have had ALL the bars and restaurants for years and years. How dare you smokers think you can continue to harm others with your second hand smoke. This isn't the 1970's any longer!
Owners are not allowed to make their own choices for GOOD REASONS. Patrons and Employees are safer with the laws, codes and ordinances that the Owners have to follow to keep their doors open to the public. If the owners don't like the new law they are welcome to find another line of work. Something smokers have been telling us non-smokers for years, remember what it was? "If the non-smoking employees don't like the smoke they can work somewhere else", seems the shoe is on the other foot, Pal.
Second Hand Smoke is a health hazard, PERIOD!
And it's long overdue that YOUR habit is no longer welcome and if you can't go to a bar without smoking then it's time for you to stay the heck home. Smokers are social misfits and your habit is no longer allowed.
Go Boise!!! Smoke Free and moving forward...

If you want America to be smoke free, then outlaw motor vehicles and go back to horses and buggies, get rid of factories, stop cooking on grills in restaurants, and eat only boiled or raw foods.

derek4 wrote:

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If you want America to be smoke free, then outlaw motor vehicles and go back to horses and buggies, get rid of factories, stop cooking on grills in restaurants, and eat only boiled or raw foods.

Ah, another clone of someone who thinks they are clever and attempts to prove it by pretending there are analogies to smoking. There aren't. Smoking is a unique combination of non-productiveness, counter-productiveness, and #1 causes of bad things.

You can't find anything else like it in the world today. Response must--or at least would justifiably--be equally unique.

derek4 wrote:

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If you want America to be smoke free, then outlaw motor vehicles and go back to horses and buggies, get rid of factories, stop cooking on grills in restaurants, and eat only boiled or raw foods.

That's why motor vehicles are used OUTSIDE.
That's why grills in restaurants have huge sucking exhaust fans directly over the grills.

All that we are asking is that we don't want to inhale YOUR Filthy harmful obnoxious smelling second hand smoke anymore. Why is that so hard for smokers to understand? It's your habit not mine, keep it to yourself. Now that smokers ONLY represent 20% of the population it's YOUR turn to step outside if you need a smoke. Why should the 80% that don't smoke stay away? Just because that's the way it's always been? Wrong Answer!

I've been to many states that have strict smoking restrictions and they work great and business is still booming. Those that want to succeed will and those that stick their heads in the sand hoping the smoking bans will disappear better find another line of work.

Hopefully, most of the Boise Bars Owners have cleaned up the old smoke infested bars, clean the carpets, painted the walls, replaced the yellow ceiling tiles and embrace the new smoking restrictions with open arms. They will succeed!!!

Hugh Jass wrote:

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Ah, another clone of someone who thinks they are clever and attempts to prove it by pretending there are analogies to smoking. There aren't. Smoking is a unique combination of non-productiveness, counter-productiveness, and #1 causes of bad things.
You can't find anything else like it in the world today. Response must--or at least would justifiably--be equally unique.

I don't know the chemical analysis of bus and auto smoke. Maybe you're a scientist, who knows? I suppose, as you suggest, that factory and engine smoke is just harmless.

Health Issue wrote:

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That's why motor vehicles are used OUTSIDE.
That's why grills in restaurants have huge sucking exhaust fans directly over the grills.
All that we are asking is that we don't want to inhale YOUR Filthy harmful obnoxious smelling second hand smoke anymore. Why is that so hard for smokers to understand? It's your habit not mine, keep it to yourself. Now that smokers ONLY represent 20% of the population it's YOUR turn to step outside if you need a smoke. Why should the 80% that don't smoke stay away? Just because that's the way it's always been? Wrong Answer!
I've been to many states that have strict smoking restrictions and they work great and business is still booming. Those that want to succeed will and those that stick their heads in the sand hoping the smoking bans will disappear better find another line of work.
Hopefully, most of the Boise Bars Owners have cleaned up the old smoke infested bars, clean the carpets, painted the walls, replaced the yellow ceiling tiles and embrace the new smoking restrictions with open arms. They will succeed!!!

Motor vehicles are used outside - well, yes, I had never thought of that - I though people were driving them indoors. So none of that vehicle smoke gets inside the cars around, beside, and behind them? Better keep your car window closed, huh? Kids are inhaling bus fumes on buses too. They go up into the buses.

I don't like drunks in restaurants, but they'll always serve alcohol since it brings in money to the restaurant.

derek4 wrote:

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Motor vehicles are used outside - well, yes, I had never thought of that - I though people were driving them indoors. So none of that vehicle smoke gets inside the cars around, beside, and behind them? Better keep your car window closed, huh? Kids are inhaling bus fumes on buses too. They go up into the buses.
I don't like drunks in restaurants, but they'll always serve alcohol since it brings in money to the restaurant.

Oh Sarcastic one,
Your analogy of comparing motor vehicles and cigarette smoking, I was stating that smokers should be OUTSIDE just as the motor vehicles are. Thought you were smart enough to comprehend, but you defending smoking explains all.

Sorry but in many states it's against the law to serve drunks. Also a drunk person next to you doesn't physically harm you, a person smoking next to you does harm you. Your analogies my friend SUCK!!!

Health Issue wrote:

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Oh Sarcastic one,
Your analogy of comparing motor vehicles and cigarette smoking, I was stating that smokers should be OUTSIDE just as the motor vehicles are. Thought you were smart enough to comprehend, but you defending smoking explains all.
Sorry but in many states it's against the law to serve drunks. Also a drunk person next to you doesn't physically harm you, a person smoking next to you does harm you. Your analogies my friend SUCK!!!

Well, I'm glad you cleared everything up and that no bus smoke gets to kids.

It's hard for the hired help in restaurants to identify which customers are drunk when the place is full, the waitress is busy, and often the person ordering doesn't seem drunk, and may not be, as he orders another round for everyone at the table, and one of those might be a loopy driver who remains silent till time to get behind the wheel.

Right, the person who is drunk sitting next to me is quite harmless as long as he sits there, but when he gets in his car to go home, he crashes into a car with an innocent family.

derek4 wrote:

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I don't know the chemical analysis of bus and auto smoke. Maybe you're a scientist, who knows? I suppose, as you suggest, that factory and engine smoke is just harmless.

I don't know what passes for rational thought in your head. Maybe you're a psychologist, who knows? I suppose, as you suggest, that the references to the nonproductive nature of smoking were just false.

Hugh Jass wrote:

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I don't know what passes for rational thought in your head. Maybe you're a psychologist, who knows? I suppose, as you suggest, that the references to the nonproductive nature of smoking were just false.

It is rational to be against the dangers smoking, while oblivious to the many deaths and broken homes caused by alcohol.

derek4 wrote:

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It is rational to be against the dangers smoking, while oblivious to the many deaths and broken homes caused by alcohol.

Ah, perhaps I see. Are you suggesting that alcohol should be regulated? What a novel notion.

Hugh Jass wrote:

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Ah, perhaps I see. Are you suggesting that alcohol should be regulated? What a novel notion.

As we know, alcohol regulations failed, so drunks will always be with us to do their road kill and bust up homes. Cigarette smokers are easier to attack, so go for them!!!

derek4 wrote:

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As we know, alcohol regulations failed, so drunks will always be with us to do their road kill and bust up homes. Cigarette smokers are easier to attack, so go for them!!!

Oh, really? Taverns and supermarkets are selling alcohol all night long? Airline pilots pass the jug while the passengers are boarding? It's difficult to find a bathtub without a gin ring?

Smoking causes a huge variety of problems for people around the smokers--many of which can kill those people decades later. Drunk drivers are roughly analogous to smokers whose carelessness starts fires--except that drunk drivers very seldom cause the destruction of hundreds or thousands of acres of woodlands with wildlife, endangered species of plant and animal, humans, and humans' homes.

Of course, you will insist on the right to deny that SHS causes any problems, or that the health issues resulting from smoking and exposing others--including the psychological and developmental problems it can cause to infants and children. So, in your world, smoking has no impact on families.

Smoking regulation has been gathering momentum for more than three decades and is nowhere close to complete federal proscription. Exactly how does that make smoking an easy target compared to drinking, which reached that stage nearly a century ago?

Oh, and while you're up, how did you make the jump from cars and factories to drunk drivers without losing any of the tude that suggests you think YOU are "winning on points"? ADHD gets you nothing here, Bubba.

Hugh Jass wrote:

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Oh, really? Taverns and supermarkets are selling alcohol all night long? Airline pilots pass the jug while the passengers are boarding? It's difficult to find a bathtub without a gin ring?
Smoking causes a huge variety of problems for people around the smokers--many of which can kill those people decades later. Drunk drivers are roughly analogous to smokers whose carelessness starts fires--except that drunk drivers very seldom cause the destruction of hundreds or thousands of acres of woodlands with wildlife, endangered species of plant and animal, humans, and humans' homes.
Of course, you will insist on the right to deny that SHS causes any problems, or that the health issues resulting from smoking and exposing others--including the psychological and developmental problems it can cause to infants and children. So, in your world, smoking has no impact on families.
Smoking regulation has been gathering momentum for more than three decades and is nowhere close to complete federal proscription. Exactly how does that make smoking an easy target compared to drinking, which reached that stage nearly a century ago?
Oh, and while you're up, how did you make the jump from cars and factories to drunk drivers without losing any of the tude that suggests you think YOU are "winning on points"? ADHD gets you nothing here, Bubba.

I'll respond to your last comment first, where you refer to me “winning points”. How you choose to phrase your insults really doesn't impact me since I can be rather calloused and I let insults roll right off my back. I'm not trying to win points, nor am I aware of any points offered here --- I merely expressed my views. That is what this forum is for – multiple views - not just yours.

Did I say anything about the hours of day or night that taverns sell alcohol? No, so I don't know why you made that observation, or the rest of that paragraph either, since it doesn't apply to anything I wrote.

If smokers are carelessly starting fires (such as by tossing cigarettes out of car windows, or on the ground) that is a separate issue of unacceptable behavior – one I do not engage in, I should add. Many wildfires are started carelessly in other ways, such as people who abandon a campfire without extinguishing it, or burn trash outdoors in rural areas on windy days. I live in such an area, and that is how one fire not far from my home began this past summer.

Most cigarette smokers have already resigned themselves to the fact they cannot smoke in restaurants and bars. I smoke in my car before arriving at a restaurant, or after leaving. I am not inconsiderate of others with my smoking.

It seems you are eager to minimize or dismiss the social evils of alcohol, and focus only on smoking as the easier target. I rather expect you enjoy tipping the bottle yourself regularly, or at least on occasion. If so, then naturally you would defend your own vice. I find it peculiar that customers can drink a liver-damaging substance in a bar (hazardous to their health) but not smoke there (hazardous to their health) then drive home after several drinks, thereby jeopardizing the health of innocent citizens on the road.

Just so you are aware, the government also is setting about to impose other restrictions on “free” Americans. There has been much in the news lately of a proposed federal tax on “sugared” drinks such as Cola, and high fat foods such as donuts, pastries, due to the obesity problem in America. There are many people who are obese, but there are many people, such as myself who are not, and actually need some extra calories. But if the proposed regulations take place, I will pay a higher tax.

If you have any other objections to my opinions, you are of course, free to express them however you please – since this is a public forum - but don't expect any response from me, since it's rather pointless to turn this into an ongoing childish debate.