Smoking ban didn't hurt most restaurants, bars

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generalsn1234567 wrote:

<****><*******> <*******><****> There are more liquor stores opening around here, despite the poor economy, replacing some of the bars.

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ohio bar owner wrote:

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OMG, people. Most of the other 80% didn't go to bars in the first place. We own a bar in Ohio. Ohio has extremely bad winters. We lost all our smoking customers because no one wants to leave a warm bar to huddle outside in freezing weather. We never DID see the anti-smokers who've been just "dying to patronize smoke-free bars". The 20% of the population was 80% of our customers. We barely kept our doors open this past winter. What once was a very lucrative business is worthless now. We couldn't even sell it for what it used to be worth because our profit/loss statement shows it worth less since the ban than before.
Chain restaurants seem to do ok. Bars do NOT. I believe the Carolinas have much kinder weather than we do. Don't believe the propaganda about no loss to our businesses from smoking bans. What tobacco-control does is combine employment data from restaurants AND bars to make that claim. Problem with these "studies" is that restaurants outnumber bars 5:1. Restaurant employees outnumber bar employees 10:1. They know exactly what they're doing to manipulate numbers to prove their claims. For every 1 laid off bartender, 50 hired restaurant employees negates the loss.
Believe what you want. I'm telling you as a bar owner, BARS close from smoking bans. Of the 2,345 "drinking places" in Ohio, 313 closed their doors the first year of the smoking ban. Last year, hospitality and leisure lost 6,700 jobs. What could have been handled with posted signs has destroyed many families financially.

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Smoke Free Bars wrote:

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Either you are a piss poor bar manager/owner who doesn't deserve to own a bar or you are so full of crap your eyes are brown.
What kind of OBSOLETE Tobacco Company Propaganda are you trying to spread? All that crap you are saying has been proved FALSE in many states. Maryland had a cold and very snowy winter and business in bars was fantastic. Yes, even the Mom & Pop bars, biker bars, divey bars, etc. Maryland has very strict smoking restrictions in both public and private bars. It's been over two years and business is booming, even with the bad economy. The 80% of non-smokers has come out and the smokers never left, everyone is happy. The smokers just accept that the majority of people don't want to inhale their harmful smoking habit and step outside and step back in, not missing a thing. It really is easy and it does work fine, it's just the norm now and Maryland would never go back to smoking in bars.
I just have a feeling your management skills SUCK and you have NO business in this field anyway.
Maybe you should try another line of work!!! Maybe work for a tobacco company, or maybe you already DO???

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generalsn1234567 wrote:

<quoted text> Links?

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Smoke Free Bars wrote:

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Are you saying you could be the missing "Link"?
Come to Maryland and see for yourself how well bars are doing with a 100% smoke free environment.

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Sez Who wrote:

This is not a surprise. Smokers only represent 20% of the population. If the business picks up a just a fraction of the nonsmokers that stayed away because they didn't like the smoke, they will notice no decline in patrons.

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generalsn1234567 wrote:

<quoted text> Links?

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Virgilk wrote:

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Restaurants are not hurt like the Mom and Pop Bars. The neighborhood bars are the first to die. The restaurants may pick up enough business to offset the numbers when both are figured together and will show no loss of business. This is a favorite trick of Tobacco Control to show no harm. It has been used in every State. Just seperate the two and you will see how many bars that have been in business for 20 yars or more that have gone down the tubes. New York is going broke because of their ban and taxes.