Key study: Ban smoking in indoor public areas

AnnaLynn wrote:

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Anything physical has a psychological component.
You get stabbed, your pulse rate rises (fight or flight) and you bleed faster.
Something hurts, it makes you anxious, you tense up and it hurts worse, you get more anxious.
Have someone else hold a plastic bag over your head for a few minutes add see how soon you want to hit him.

Very true! Not only that, one will almost always affect the other in some way.

And of course the Medical Technology Industry knows all that, and they COULD do better, but they'd rather be lame :( I guess that's just how some people are, I guess... Although I won't go into a long rant about them. In fact I need to go to sleep. It's after 5 AM here (Which is Georgia, BTW, not Oregon or Pennsylvania or Washington or California or wherever it happens to put on there this time... LOL I should probably fill out my profile...)

Anyway yeah, and it's typically the Psychological stuff that gets swept under the rug while patients suffer. Of course up until fairly recently (historically-wise) they didn't even know what Psychology was! LOL For real! Of course until fairly historically recently, they also didn't have computers and cellphones and MP3 players either :)

But uh, yeah I guess they'll get it together one of these days (Well, yeah they will eventually because somebody will eventually do it for them, LOL.) Yeah the Medical Technology Industry and Healthcare Industry is pretty lame, but everything's gonna be ok :)

AnnaLynn wrote:

And btw, I'm TRYING to avoid it. That's why I support the ban we have here.

Oh, for keeping them away from the door and stuff? Oh, yeah.

Or if you meant like places weren't doing it voulentarily, I've got a link somewhere that explains about that but in a nut-shell, there probably were but if there were none, you have to talk to the people who run the places and stuff like that. Which there's a CERTAIN way to go about it. And like I said I've got a link... And that would be a ton better than me trying to freehand it, LOL. And it's pretty long, but it's VERY detailed. It goes into like all the different stuff that can happen when talking to them and stuff like that...

Of course if there's a ban now I guess it's moot anyway, LOL. Well, unless the ban gets overturned...(Which has been happening a bunch lately, and I'm kinda hoping it will happen a bunch more but with primary emphesis on the more draconian ones of course... Except one thing, the Indianapolous one doesn't sound that bad...)

Anyway yeah, I'll get that link. It's a pretty good read.

AnnaLynn wrote:

I though I posted the link?

Oh to that text of the Indianapolis ban? I couldn't find it. Post it again if you would, please. I would like to have a better look at that.

I can't wait still they start on fat people.

1. Fat people file more workman's comp claims then in other group, including smokers!!!

2. With the price of gas, their should be a special tax for fat people. They need bigger cars witch takes more gas to run.

3. They are soon becoming the #1 healthcare cost in America. We should have big taxes on fatty foods.

4. Alot of fat people can't help but give off a offencive smell. Why should I have to stand in line with one in front of me and one behind me while I am trying to breath?

5. They take up more room and leave less for everyone else. That is why some are charged double to fly.

So hold on to your big macks. your next in line.

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DavidM wrote:

I can't wait still they start on fat people.
1. Fat people file more workman's comp claims then in other group, including smokers!!!
2. With the price of gas, their should be a special tax for fat people. They need bigger cars witch takes more gas to run.
3. They are soon becoming the #1 healthcare cost in America. We should have big taxes on fatty foods.
4. Alot of fat people can't help but give off a offencive smell. Why should I have to stand in line with one in front of me and one behind me while I am trying to breath?
5. They take up more room and leave less for everyone else. That is why some are charged double to fly.
So hold on to your big macks. your next in line.
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Yeah, I think they plan to do things like that next (Assuming "they" aren't stopped first which they hopefully will be and I'm sure doing all I can, I know that...) And that is equally wrong.

They divide and control people for the purposes of Financial Gain (as well as a few other things such as obtaining control of things and stuff like that...) They are sick, detestable human beings who don't care about any of us as long as they make a few more dollars.

Just remember that those who sacrafice Freedom for Security, deserve NEITHER!!!(I forget which historic president said that.....)

Neonmagek is wrong in that coffee and tea do not cause health issues. As for foods high in fat, a small tax on food from places like McDonalds would barely be noticed by reasonable buyers, but would encourage those who are monstrously obese from daily meals there to reconsider.

The other point I would like to make is that the pictures on cigarette packages don't do much good, they just jack up the price in an unfair way. I am a non-smoker in Canada, and I have seen anyone stop smoking because of pictures, labels are enough.

Wow I can't believe I misspelled Canadian

2informU wrote:

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Very true! Not only that, one will almost always affect the other in some way.
And of course the Medical Technology Industry knows all that, and they COULD do better, but they'd rather be lame :( I guess that's just how some people are, I guess... Although I won't go into a long rant about them. In fact I need to go to sleep. It's after 5 AM here (Which is Georgia, BTW, not Oregon or Pennsylvania or Washington or California or wherever it happens to put on there this time... LOL I should probably fill out my profile...)
Anyway yeah, and it's typically the Psychological stuff that gets swept under the rug while patients suffer. Of course up until fairly recently (historically-wise) they didn't even know what Psychology was! LOL For real! Of course until fairly historically recently, they also didn't have computers and cellphones and MP3 players either :)
But uh, yeah I guess they'll get it together one of these days (Well, yeah they will eventually because somebody will eventually do it for them, LOL.) Yeah the Medical Technology Industry and Healthcare Industry is pretty lame, but everything's gonna be ok :)
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Oh, for keeping them away from the door and stuff? Oh, yeah.
Or if you meant like places weren't doing it voulentarily, I've got a link somewhere that explains about that but in a nut-shell, there probably were but if there were none, you have to talk to the people who run the places and stuff like that. Which there's a CERTAIN way to go about it. And like I said I've got a link... And that would be a ton better than me trying to freehand it, LOL. And it's pretty long, but it's VERY detailed. It goes into like all the different stuff that can happen when talking to them and stuff like that...
Of course if there's a ban now I guess it's moot anyway, LOL. Well, unless the ban gets overturned...(Which has been happening a bunch lately, and I'm kinda hoping it will happen a bunch more but with primary emphesis on the more draconian ones of course... Except one thing, the Indianapolous one doesn't sound that bad...)
Anyway yeah, I'll get that link. It's a pretty good read.
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Oh to that text of the Indianapolis ban? I couldn't find it. Post it again if you would, please. I would like to have a better look at that.

I must have posted it on another thread.

It seems they had to drop the "safe zone" to get the thing passed. Too bad. They need to put it back. Not only does it force people to walk through the smoke to get in, but the smoke drafts into the building whenever the door opens.

Until the ban, I had to avoid a lot of normal places. Even laundromats could be impossible for me. Staying out of bars wasn't so hard, but we had no smokefree restaurants that didn't have cartoon characters and playlands attached. And it's true what they say--a no smoking area in a room is like a no peeing area in a pool. Smoke, you see, can't read those little signs and usually isn't stopped by a five foot tall filigree partition, either.

Sometimes I'd go out with friends without asking where, and then have to leave early or back out entirely. They thought I was being antisocial, when I was only protecting myself. A lot of them have called since the ban to apologize.

2informU wrote:

Or if you meant like places weren't doing it voulentarily, I've got a link somewhere that explains about that but in a nut-shell, there probably were but if there were none, you have to talk to the people who run the places and stuff like that. Which there's a CERTAIN way to go about it. And like I said I've got a link... And that would be a ton better than me trying to freehand it, LOL. And it's pretty long, but it's VERY detailed. It goes into like all the different stuff that can happen when talking to them and stuff like that...

Hoosier non-smokers asked politely for over a decade, but no luck. Our restaurants here actually believed the smokers' hype that their money was somehow more essential than ours.

I said at the time of the ban, when all the doomsayers were in high gear, that they might sit home for a few months, but sooner or later they'd learn to do what nonsmokers have had to do all their lives--learn to put up with it and go out anyway.

AnnaLynn wrote:

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Hoosier non-smokers asked politely for over a decade, but no luck. Our restaurants here actually believed the smokers' hype that their money was somehow more essential than ours.
I said at the time of the ban, when all the doomsayers were in high gear, that they might sit home for a few months, but sooner or later they'd learn to do what nonsmokers have had to do all their lives--learn to put up with it and go out anyway.

So the business owners decided that smokers spent more money then? You will see that places have closed due to bans. They just don't "poll" the right places. There is definitely room for both types of establishments.

Southbound wrote:

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So the business owners decided that smokers spent more money then? You will see that places have closed due to bans. They just don't "poll" the right places. There is definitely room for both types of establishments.

There is room only for non smoking places.

2informU wrote:

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So Boston Bob, after all these bans have been overturned (as we were talking about on the other thread), if any Pro-Smokers or even the Tobacco Industry ever tries to do to you what you are apparantly desiring to do to Smokers, I will be doing the same thing to try to protect YOUR RIGHTS! Watch and see!!!
Why? Because it's THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!! Think about that, please.

After all these bans have been overtuned?
Im at a loss. I give up. You are completely dillusionsl. Typical addictive logic. Unbelievable.

Bill Hannegan wrote:

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Typical anti propaganda. Casting all smokers as addicts. Even the ACS admits the new trend in smoking is college kids who smoke less than a pack a week, smoke only in bars, don't consider themselves to be smokers and aren't worried about their health. 20 pervent of smokers don't smoke everyday.

Most smokers who don't smoke every day now someday will.

candid wrote:

<quoted text> Most smokers who don't smoke every day now someday will.

ROFLMAO!

CanDIP you are such a DORK!

I was a cigarrete smoker and I had open heart surgery a year ago. Plenty of problems came from smoking years ago. I stopped smoking nearly 20 years ago but it surely did damage to my heart.
If you don't hear anything else, hear this. My operation cost nearly a million dollars. If God would have wanted you to smoke, He would have put a chimney on top of your head. And the scars that I have in my body, tell me that is true everyday.

Boston Bob wrote:

After all these bans have been overtuned?

Twas what I said. See the other thread where we were discussing this...

Boston Bob wrote:

Im at a loss. I give up.

;)

Boston Bob wrote:

You are completely dillusionsl. Typical addictive logic. Unbelievable.

No but you may say I am if you wish. You may even think such if you desire. It don't bother me ;)

katiria552 wrote:

I was a cigarrete smoker and I had open heart surgery a year ago. Plenty of problems came from smoking years ago. I stopped smoking nearly 20 years ago but it surely did damage to my heart.
If you don't hear anything else, hear this. My operation cost nearly a million dollars. If God would have wanted you to smoke, He would have put a chimney on top of your head. And the scars that I have in my body, tell me that is true everyday.

I know what you are saying, and believe me, I do sympethise! And I hope you are doing ok and all. And yes, I agree that those types of conditions shouldn't be happening to people.

But the question is WHO TO PUT THE BLAME ON?

Smoking is unhealthy but people do it. There are a bunch of things that cause Medical Conditions such as Cancer (and other things...) and YES, Smoking is one of them!

However, that DOES NOT IN ANY WAY negate the fact that the "RWJF Gang" (AHA, ALA, ACS, etc.) has had long enough (and enough MONEY) to FIND the CURES and VACCINES.

And there is really no excuse for them not doing so. I mean they have had long enough to get it done. If THEY cannot FIND THE CURES in the AMOUNT OF TIME they have had (about A CENTURY, for real) then THEY need to step aside and turn everything they've got over to somebody who can (Such as myself, strictly for example.)

Furthermore there is NO EXCUSE for THEM not being able to. Or, like I said, if they really CAN'T (and aren't just doing it on purpose to keep people sick and get more $$$ off of 'em) then hey, no problem. Take a hike, leave the keys where I can find 'em, and I'll go get the Cures and Vaccines found for everybody (And it sure won't take no 93 years either!!! LOL)

The worst part is that they are STILL ALLOWED to operate. I don't think they will be for long but at the moment they are still alive an' kickin'!!! Lying, cheating, stealing, doing wrong to good people...

And as I say constantly (all over the Internet) if anybody desires to take any type of action against any member of the RWJF camp or anybody affiliated with them, and I can assist in any way whatsoever (such as offering Testimony as a Expert Witness, for example) I will sure try! And I don't want a thing out of it, other than doing good.

Anyway yeah, that's where it's at. Smoking is unhealthy but the problems it causes (including the ones you mentioned) are supposed to have been LONG SINCE solved. And the parties responsible are, in my qualified opinion, guilty of Criminal Neglegance, among other things. And yes, if I was you I would be filing a suit against... probably the AHA if nothing else.

Because not only should that Operation have not costed NEAR that much (they should have had better Technology) also the fact that whatever it was should have had not only Cures, but Vaccines so there's NO CHANCE OF ANYBODY EVER CATCHING ANYTHING!!!

And the fact that I could means that there is no valid reason THEY couldn't. Not that I can find anyway. And I've discussed this all up and down the Internet and nobody has provided me with one, so I assume I am correct...

Anyway yeah, in summary the RWJF is who to put the blame on.

AnnaLynn wrote:

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Hoosier non-smokers asked politely for over a decade, but no luck. Our restaurants here actually believed the smokers' hype that their money was somehow more essential than ours.
I said at the time of the ban, when all the doomsayers were in high gear, that they might sit home for a few months, but sooner or later they'd learn to do what nonsmokers have had to do all their lives--learn to put up with it and go out anyway.

It took me forever to find this link but here it is:

http://forums.greenvilleonline.com/viewtopic....

(Of course "AwesomeDude" is me on that site, it goes strait to my post...)

That link tells EXACTLY what to do in the type of situation you described (Like before the ban.) I think it's perfect but if you spot anything wrong with it, please do inform me.

ruvidu (the poster on that site, it's directed at) is NOT SERIOUS about that. Yeah, s / he ("he" I think) just goes around stirring it up for the fun of it (What it is, we sorta had words once and of course I'm long-since over it, but he's still a bit angry at me, and does that to try to annoy me.....) And he keeps waving that Simpsonville, SC thing but won't make effort for it or talk about it, so I say he's not serious...

But I reply to him anyway, because I'm almost positive those posts can help SOMEBODY.

And yeah, I think that's pretty perfect from what I can tell. It tells how to handle different things that might come up, like if it's a "rush" (when the place gets really busy at certain times) or if they are hesitant about it at first, or if they get arsey with you when you were cool to them (ALWAYS get Audio of the conversation!!!) and stuff like that...

There is one thing, though: It's not very organized AT ALL. That's because I kinda freehanded it and I don't think I had ever posted anything quite like that before. So yeah it's kinda "scattered" if you will. But the content is pretty good, I think...

Ban_SHS wrote:

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There is room only for non smoking places.

We have had both here for years and it works quite nicely. Probably not for the antis though.

Bill Hannegan wrote:

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Typical anti propaganda. Casting all smokers as addicts. Even the ACS admits the new trend in smoking is college kids who smoke less than a pack a week, smoke only in bars, don't consider themselves to be smokers and aren't worried about their health. 20 pervent of smokers don't smoke everyday.

Rip this one up Willie:

The World Health Organization (WHO) Tuesday slammed the tobacco industry for spreading untruths about smoking in public places in a bid to counter an increasing number of smoking bans around the world.

The WHO said the tobacco industry has repeatedly "misled and misinformed the public about the health risks and dangers of second-hand tobacco smoke and about the economic impact of smoking bans."

The "Fat Lady is starting to sing"....

Smokefree wrote:

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Rip this one up Willie:
The World Health Organization (WHO) Tuesday slammed the tobacco industry for spreading untruths about smoking in public places in a bid to counter an increasing number of smoking bans around the world.
The WHO said the tobacco industry has repeatedly "misled and misinformed the public about the health risks and dangers of second-hand tobacco smoke and about the economic impact of smoking bans."
The "Fat Lady is starting to sing"....

Please post a link to that... I saw something kinda like that somewhere on this site, before but I don't remember where... Please post a link to that story, Smokefree, if you would please.

I don't doubt that the Tobacco Industry would do something like that. In fact, I was just commenting on another thread about how they lie every chance they get. Of course in a SPECIFIC case, I would certainly have to look at it to determine which party was wrong.

And don't get me wrong, the WHO vs. Big Tobacco is pretty much Crap vs. Crap. And I have very little trust or respect for either one, and rightfully so.

But I can look at it. And I can probably make a pretty good assessment of what's what, based on what was said and how it was said and stuff like that... And I would like to do so.

So yes, please post a link to that story.