Anti-smoking advocates celebrate in Indianapolis as bars go smoke-free

Jun 1, 2012 Full story: FOX59.com 70

Anti-smoking advocates celebrated Friday as approximately 300 bars and taverns in Indianapolis went smoke-free. The strengthened ordinance took effect at 6 a.m. "Today will go down in Indianapolis history.

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Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#1 Jun 2, 2012
I notice that someone was missing from this. No mention of Ben Hunter the sponsor of this bill.
Now it is time for smokers to get behind the fat tax or soda ban. Schools have already started. NY wants to ban the sale of 20oz sugary drinks.(There is the first restriction of where fatty food and drinks can be sold.) Now we need a tax on all soda that carries high sugar content.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#2 Jun 2, 2012
Sugar is not fat. Sugar is a carbohydrate.
Go Smoke Free

Winnipeg, Canada

#3 Jun 2, 2012
Nice to see intelligence wins over lack there of.
mike

Washington, DC

#4 Jun 2, 2012
I quit but I think I will light up against this in protest
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#5 Jun 2, 2012
Yeah, right.That's as good an excuse as any for caving, I guess.
After all, if you find you're going through a couple packs a day in a few weeks, you can always blame the regulationists. THEY pased this law and MADE you start smoking again!

Don't be an idiot.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#6 Jun 2, 2012
Well, at least Ike and Jonesy's might be tolerable next time I'm there.
yeah

Carmel, IN

#7 Jun 2, 2012
Glad Indianapolis finally has the sense to go smoke free. I don't believe smokers ever had the right to pollute public airspace. For the first time in history, public airspace is preserved and the rights for all is finally respected.
Indy Jones

Indianapolis, IN

#8 Jun 2, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
Well, at least Ike and Jonesy's might be tolerable next time I'm there.
Maybe someone will crap on your table to make you feel at home.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#9 Jun 2, 2012
Indy Jones wrote:
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Maybe someone will crap on your table to make you feel at home.
Nothing like sizzling, intelligent repartee. Really. That was NOTHING like it.
jim cunningham

Indianapolis, IN

#10 Jun 2, 2012
Funny how all of the scientific data consists of estimates, correlations, and so called "facts" from ANY studies done on the effects of Secondhand Smoke are being paid for or conducted by the American cancer Society or CDC. Studies by other independent researchers conclude the results of years of working with smoker have a negligible effect on the non smoker. No more than living near a busy street, going through a drive-thru food chain or mowing the lawn. But these studies are completely ignored. The fact is that EPA has never concluded a study, but rely on biased info and ignore ALL other studies. Why?
Because the tobacco cash-cow button is an easy one to press.
Do the research as I have, and the numbers continually fail to add up!
Just more government control..... and overweight people are the next target. wait and see!
Pappie

Indianapolis, IN

#11 Jun 2, 2012
yeah wrote:
Glad Indianapolis finally has the sense to go smoke free. I don't believe smokers ever had the right to pollute public airspace. For the first time in history, public airspace is preserved and the rights for all is finally respected.
Remember that when you are put in a concentration camp little goodie two shoes.

Being free is willing suffering the faults of your brothers.

Will any be left to come to your hanging?
Pappie

Indianapolis, IN

#12 Jun 2, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
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Nothing like sizzling, intelligent repartee. Really. That was NOTHING like it.
People get mean when you take their pleasure.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#15 Jun 2, 2012
Pappie wrote:
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Remember that when you are put in a concentration camp little goodie two shoes.
Being free is willing suffering the faults of your brothers.
Will any be left to come to your hanging?
Poor, poor babies. Can't indulge in creation of the #3 preventable cause of death inside public houses? What is the world coming to. Why, yes, of course, that is obviously analogous to locking people away because of their genetic material and making some of them help you rip the teeth out of others to get the metal from the fillings, before or after gassing them when they think they are being given a chance to take a shower.
You have one very sick worldview, buddy.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#16 Jun 2, 2012
jim cunningham wrote:
Funny how all of the scientific data consists of estimates, correlations, and so called "facts" from ANY studies done on the effects of Secondhand Smoke are being paid for or conducted by the American cancer Society or CDC. Studies by other independent researchers conclude the results of years of working with smoker have a negligible effect on the non smoker. No more than living near a busy street, going through a drive-thru food chain or mowing the lawn. But these studies are completely ignored. The fact is that EPA has never concluded a study, but rely on biased info and ignore ALL other studies. Why?
Because the tobacco cash-cow button is an easy one to press.
Do the research as I have, and the numbers continually fail to add up!
Just more government control..... and overweight people are the next target. wait and see!
Funny how smokers and smokers' apologists always seem to think that is true.
Check out the portion of the judge's opinion in the RICO conviction of the major tobacco companies in the US dealing with fraud. You will see just how a lot of those "studies" and that "science" that you tout came about. It was, indeed, the tobacco cash-cow button being pushed--to the tune of paying scientists who were about to retire exorbitant amounts to lend the credibility of their signatures (credibility that was no longer going to make them money in any other way) to letters written (by the companies' lawyers and PR firms) to scientific journals that would not otherwise have been likely to print them--and that's just a small part of what the industry's money was paying for in the way of public manipulation.
The "slippery slope" fallacy you spew as if it were something you'd just thought of and believed was self-evident and beyond questioning is just that--a fallacy. It is a fallacy so common that it is usually taught as one of the errors of reasoning to avoid in a freshman comp class, let alone a logic course.
There are smoker-controlled forums where your devotion to the party line would be accepted and even cheered, but too many of the people on this forum have firsthand experience of harm from SHS, at some level and at least in the real-time effects. We know it harms because it harms us, so you are not likely to persuade us that research showing it harms is bogus. Go find a FORCES chatroom or something.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#17 Jun 2, 2012
Pappie wrote:
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People get mean when you take their pleasure.
Like when you subject a crowd of people who have chosen NOT to inhale tobacco smoke to clouds of tobacco smoke because YOU want to feed your disease and you happen to be where a crowd of others are? You mean people get mean when PEOPLE LIKE YOU destroy the simple pleasure they take in breathing?

Or, by "pleasure", do you mean that's how smokers might react if you hinder the convenient and instantaneous ability to reinforce their disease by indulging in a nicotine fix?

You DO realize that addiction is a disease state, don't you? A disease state with a strong psychological element, so that if you are talking about the reaction of smokers to regulation of smoking, you are talking about crazy people's behavior?
Carmel Patriot

Kokomo, IN

#18 Jun 3, 2012
Does NYC still have bars? They had a smoking ban since 2002 for bars and restaurants. http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-23/us/new.yor...
ohsheet

Carmel, IN

#19 Jun 3, 2012
jim cunningham wrote:
Funny how all of the scientific data consists of estimates, correlations, and so called "facts" from ANY studies done on the effects of Secondhand Smoke are being paid for or conducted by the American cancer Society or CDC. Studies by other independent researchers conclude the results of years of working with smoker have a negligible effect on the non smoker. No more than living near a busy street, going through a drive-thru food chain or mowing the lawn. But these studies are completely ignored. The fact is that EPA has never concluded a study, but rely on biased info and ignore ALL other studies. Why?
Because the tobacco cash-cow button is an easy one to press.
Do the research as I have, and the numbers continually fail to add up!
Just more government control..... and overweight people are the next target. wait and see!
If you had a clue about the medical community's position, you would soon realize you're out of your element with your ridiculous comments. This has nothing to do with govt. control but rather the preservation of people's health when they go into public places. The tobacco industry has interferred with this process and finally they have lost. When you see how children are affected by second hand smoke and for many of them, the impact is immediate....you have no problem at all with a complete ban on second hand smoke. These children don't need to lose their parents when they work in places where there is smoke. This ban is not the end all but it does eliminate thousands of deadly carcinogens that are needlessly in the working environment.
Smoking sux - smokers 2

Homestead, PA

#20 Jun 3, 2012
Pappie wrote:
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Remember that when you are put in a concentration camp little goodie two shoes.
Being free is willing suffering the faults of your brothers.
Will any be left to come to your hanging?
What an idiot! Equating the banning of a filthy and invasive personal habit that assualts the health of innocent others with concentration camps... utter bullsh*t!

And as to "being free is willing(ly)suffering the faults of your brothers," "faults" that impact the immediate health and threaten the lives of others cross the line to assualt and murder! What moronic drivel, but it can be expected of the nicotine addict!!
Smoking sux - smokers 2

Homestead, PA

#21 Jun 3, 2012
Pappie wrote:
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People get mean when you take their pleasure.
And, obviously, they were stupid to start with, so mean isn't much of a stretch!
mike

Washington, DC

#23 Jun 3, 2012
Smoking sux - smokers 2 wrote:
<quoted text>What an idiot! Equating the banning of a filthy and invasive personal habit that assualts the health of innocent others with concentration camps... utter bullsh*t!

And as to "being free is willing(ly)suffering the faults of your brothers," "faults" that impact the immediate health and threaten the lives of others cross the line to assualt and murder! What moronic drivel, but it can be expected of the nicotine addict!!
I would like to cane you and bull whip you into submission you dog!

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