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Schizophrenia

Jani's at the mercy of her mind

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eva

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#103
Jun 30, 2009
 
Anne L wrote:
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you must be crazy. The schools barely provide education to normal kids. They would never be able to handle Jani and their resources would be very limited. Kids with much lesser mental issues such as ADHD, Apraxia, Austism get very little help through their schools. They just use the excuse they don't have the funds.
I can attest to this. Despite 94-142 (legislation guaranteeing appropriate education for special-needs kids), we had to "push" our public school district for every last bit of service they gave our son...and this was one of the top districts in Illinois. In getting help for my son, I came to see educators in a different light. Most of them are equipped to teach only the most average kids. Any child who presents differently may be out of luck.

To those posters who wondered...my son is an adult now, a college graduate with a wife and a family. He has a good job and is an amazing parent. He required a therapeutic school in a residential setting (i.e., a place away from home, where he lived and went to school until he finally came to terms with his behavior and toed the line). It was horrendously expensive but our health insurance helped. The school was a lifesaver.
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#104
Jul 1, 2009
 
heartbreaking wrote:
This is probably the most heartbreaking thing I've ever read. Please Illinois or U.S. government, help this family. Help this poor child.:( God bless them and keep them.
Are you kidding? They're too busy helping the illegal aliens get loans, free education, free health care. That's where all our money is going. Also goes to people who sit on their rear ends and do nothing and collect welfare and have babies. So, helping these people who really need it? How dare we ask them this.
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#105
Jul 1, 2009
 
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Are you kidding? They're too busy helping the illegal aliens get loans, free education, free health care. That's where all our money is going. Also goes to people who sit on their rear ends and do nothing and collect welfare and have babies. So, helping these people who really need it? How dare we ask them this.
Oh STFU, you insensitive dolt.
Go to the whiny, victim threads. There are plenty out there.
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#106
Jul 1, 2009
 
She has been in the UCLA Psych ward for four months. Trust me, they've considered every diagnosis, and every treatment. This was not her first hospitalization. They STARTED with something on the autism spectrum (due to hand flapping and other issues) and it has been ruled out, repeatedly.
VoxAngelicus wrote:
Is it possible that this child has been misdiagnosed and actually has an autism spectrum disorder? The frequent rage reactions, hand-flapping, and precocious intelligence suggest that she might have some form of autism. The article never said whether this girl's doctors considered that diagnosis and ruled it out.
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#107
Jul 1, 2009
 
Her condition is so rare they don't have many precedents for someone her age. Meds change with time, so they aren't the same for kids as adults, and ditto treatment. Her parents allowed the videotaping because they are desperate for help and hope the publicity will get it for them. There is a residential care facility (Maryvale) that she is qualified for, but they won't take her because she is too staff-intensive. They would need a staff member just for her, and since she's with her parents (not in the foster care or Child Welfare System), they don't get as much government money for her, so they won't take her.
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If we are now a socialist country - then Jani would be getting help. Quit parroting idiots who don't even know what socialism is. We are far from being socialist.
I'm not so sure that the problem is the lack of medical care as much as it is the lack of understanding severe psychosis in general and especially in a child so young. Publicizing is a good idea - maybe doctors elsewhere who have seen an isolated case can get in touch with others who have seen it also.
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#108
Jul 1, 2009
 
Jani's dad may have been depressed, but her mom wasn't any more depressed than the average over-worked, tired mom when they decided to have her brother. Jani was difficult as a baby, but had become easier (day to day) by the time she was three or four, which is when they decided to have a second child, which they hadn't considered when she was younger. No one thought the imaginary friends were anything more than that, and much of the oddness was attributed to her high IQ (not an exaggeration, it really is high). 146 on the new Stanford Binet 5 is equal to around 170 on the old Stanford LM used in the 1970s - it's REALLY high. It wasn't until shortly before the second one was born that she became really too difficult for her parents, and not until after his birth that she started being violent. How were they possibly to know to expect that when all the doctors were stunned by it? They certainly won't have any more now that they know, though. It wasn't until after they learned more as a result of Jani's diagnosis that they realized how much of it was in the family. After all, how many people really know what their great-uncle has? And a lot of it was never formally diagnosed, but in retrospect they can see it. Let me repeat that : IN RETROSPECT. They didn't know.
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Nonsense. So black couples who know they both carry the sickle cell gene should throw caution to the wind and risk producing a child doomed to a shortened life of pain to satisfy THEIR personal need? Or a Jewish couple who carry the Tay-sachs gene?
All inheritable medical conditions are not the same. Potential parents HAVE to consider the possible effects of medical conditions that they might pass to their children. Wanting a child is not enough reason to have one.
These people took a risk, and their daughter is paying a terrible price. Then they doubled down (because I'm sure they wanted a "normal" child) and even if their son is perfectly healthy, depending on the long-term care decisions regarding his sister, he will still pay the price as his exhausted and impoverished parents are unable to provide him the attention that he deserves.
As far as the effort the parents are putting in. I give them NO credit. They are her parents. They created her, they owe her every effort. Why should I applaude them for doing their job?

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#109
Jul 1, 2009
 
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"Schizophrenia tends to affect people in the genius range"
Absolute and utter hogswallop. Anyone can have schizophrenia and the range of IQ's of people with schizophrenia ranges from severely retarded on up. It is VERY tough when it affects severely retarded folks as it is so hard to set up that communication line as these folks are coping with so much.
Where DO these people get such ideas!!!! Ignorance is an ugly thing folks, don't believe everything you are told.
As for autism, this child shows no indication of having autism and never did. Some study and knowledge would hopefully dispell these mistaken ideas.
Most children with schizophrenia are first referred to a doctor for sleep disorders, and most show muscle tone abnormalities right from birth. 92% of schizophrenic children are hypotonic at birth. Then they seem to have a rather long period when they seem normal, then suddenly hallucinations, delusions and the out of control behavior start.
Thank you for answering my question - I DID wonder if this had been done, since that information did not surface in the article.

Having working for almost a decade with acute and chronically mentally ill, I certainly agree that IQ is not a factor in most psychiatric disorders. It is most particularly irrelevant with Schizophrenia.

With dual diagnosis patients (Mentally Ill and Mentally Retarded - especially those who are profoundly MR), it is VERY difficult/nearly impossible to treat the symptoms.

p.s. Anyone here who knows an autistic person will understand the difference in symptoms between Schizophrenia and Autism.

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#110
Jul 1, 2009
 
A Friend wrote:
Jani's dad may have been depressed, but her mom wasn't any more depressed than the average over-worked, tired mom when they decided to have her brother. Jani was difficult as a baby, but had become easier (day to day) by the time she was three or four, which is when they decided to have a second child, which they hadn't considered when she was younger. No one thought the imaginary friends were anything more than that, and much of the oddness was attributed to her high IQ (not an exaggeration, it really is high). 146 on the new Stanford Binet 5 is equal to around 170 on the old Stanford LM used in the 1970s - it's REALLY high. It wasn't until shortly before the second one was born that she became really too difficult for her parents, and not until after his birth that she started being violent. How were they possibly to know to expect that when all the doctors were stunned by it? They certainly won't have any more now that they know, though. It wasn't until after they learned more as a result of Jani's diagnosis that they realized how much of it was in the family. After all, how many people really know what their great-uncle has? And a lot of it was never formally diagnosed, but in retrospect they can see it. Let me repeat that : IN RETROSPECT. They didn't know.
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So you are relating a (in normal kids, a subconscience) jealousy and loss due to losing the value of being the total sum of her parents attention? It certainly bears relevance.

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#111
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klicker0323 wrote:
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Are you kidding? They're too busy helping the illegal aliens get loans, free education, free health care. That's where all our money is going. Also goes to people who sit on their rear ends and do nothing and collect welfare and have babies. So, helping these people who really need it? How dare we ask them this.
Irrelevant to the topic. Please go to the pertinent forum to comment on the subject of your choice.

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#112
Jul 1, 2009
 
And often barely capable of handling the 'normal and bright' kids they have - let alone the ones who might be bright but have learning disabilities, MI issues, etc. I'm a mom whose kids have survived Illinois public schools too, Eva. Sad to see intelligence so often brushed aside.
eva wrote:
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I can attest to this. Despite 94-142 (legislation guaranteeing appropriate education for special-needs kids), we had to "push" our public school district for every last bit of service they gave our son...and this was one of the top districts in Illinois. In getting help for my son, I came to see educators in a different light. Most of them are equipped to teach only the most average kids. Any child who presents differently may be out of luck.
To those posters who wondered...my son is an adult now, a college graduate with a wife and a family. He has a good job and is an amazing parent. He required a therapeutic school in a residential setting (i.e., a place away from home, where he lived and went to school until he finally came to terms with his behavior and toed the line). It was horrendously expensive but our health insurance helped. The school was a lifesaver.
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#113
Jul 1, 2009
 
It would be lovely if they hadn't had to do that, but UCLA had repeatedly refused to admit her despite requests from her docs and other hospitals because they didn't have enough beds. When the SCHOOL SYSTEM requested it, she was in immediately. That WOULD NOT have happened any other way, and she would've continued to deteriorate at home, in what was rapidly becoming a very dangerous situation for her entire family due to her increasing violence.

And, BTW, she IS "one of our brightest". She's Profoundly Gifted, not just kinda sorta smart - and that's based on a professionally administered test, which was referenced in the article.
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By all means, let's bring the entire overtaxed education system to a schreeching hault to the detriment of everyone for one child who belong in a hospital, not a school. Is there any wonder why America is falling so far behind in world education standing? Imagine if we invested the resources in our brightest like we do for our weakest. There might be doctors around able to help this child if that was the focus of education.
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#114
Jul 1, 2009
 
That's part of it. It's also because her parents were no longer able to get her out from sunup to sundown and keep her constantly stimulated, so their was less to drown out the psychosis, and it got worse. Her parents noted that things got better as an infant only when they took her out constantly, and a pregnant mommy was no longer able to go out as much and as long.
CherieL wrote:
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So you are relating a (in normal kids, a subconscience) jealousy and loss due to losing the value of being the total sum of her parents attention? It certainly bears relevance.
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#115
Jul 5, 2009
 
This has to be the saddest thing i have ever heard. I wish there was something I could do to help the family cope. And I hope to hear an update on them all.
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#116
Jul 5, 2009
 
does anyone know of a way to contact Michael or Susan, regarding fundraising for their daughter? bdgill19@yahoo.com
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#117
Jul 7, 2009
 
The father admits he beat and starved the child on his blog. Why did the journalist neglect this very important piece of information? I'm sure hitting a child with "impotent rage" does impact behavior.

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#118
Jul 7, 2009
 
I would add that I hope this family does get help. I'm sure that whatever actions they've taken is a result of desperation, but it doesn't make it right.

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#119
Jul 9, 2009
 
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Who are you looking to sue? God? You really think this country needs more lawsuits? You want to sue the doctors to force them to cure her? If the help and support doesn't exist, stamping our feet and demanding isn'tt going to produce it.
I didn't get that out of this statement. I believe they meant if lawyers take probono cases, aren't there doctors out there who would do the same?

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Oct 6, 2009
 

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Until I watched Oprah today, I had never seen another child anything close to my Sylvia. My oldest daughter who is 12 was diagnosed with autism first than schizophrenia(but only from the ssi doctor). She has so much in common with Jani, however she is not violent like her and she seems to be improving on some things but regressing on others. I chose not to medicate her because she also has epilepsy, adhd, brown syndrome and severe allergies and meds can make some of these conditions worse. I also see how her problems have affected her two little sisters ages 6 and 8. I am just glad her parents appear strong and healthy physically. I have lupus, some other health issues from childhood and haven't worked since 2004. My two little ones both have had heart surgery. If that isn't enough, my younger sister was told she has Leukemia a couple weeks ago. We are on a very low income and struggle getting the most basic things done as a result. Please keep our family in your thoughts and prayers. Thank you.

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#121
Oct 13, 2009
 
My youngest nephew was diagnosed as Autistic. He is unlike many Autistic children in that his physical characteristics are affected - small hands and feet, high forehead, long body and short limbs. Nobody seems to know what his diagnosis really is, other than he has seizure disorder also.

I LOVE this guy; I talk to him; he laughs at me when I ask if purple tastes different than red. Kyle is a very mild-mannered boy, like your Sylvia.

Does she talk to you? When Kyle was seven months old, I was holding him while he screamed,'Momma, Momma!' My sister (his mom) was warming his bottle. I asked her if she realized that he was speaking to her. She did NOT. I could NOT believe she was NOT hearing him speak to her!

Shortly thereafter he had another seizure. He did not say 'Momma', or much of anything else until last May. He's six.

Just out of curiosity and empathy, do any of Kyle's symptoms sound familiar?
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Until I watched Oprah today, I had never seen another child anything close to my Sylvia. My oldest daughter who is 12 was diagnosed with autism first than schizophrenia(but only from the ssi doctor). She has so much in common with Jani, however she is not violent like her and she seems to be improving on some things but regressing on others. I chose not to medicate her because she also has epilepsy, adhd, brown syndrome and severe allergies and meds can make some of these conditions worse. I also see how her problems have affected her two little sisters ages 6 and 8. I am just glad her parents appear strong and healthy physically. I have lupus, some other health issues from childhood and haven't worked since 2004. My two little ones both have had heart surgery. If that isn't enough, my younger sister was told she has Leukemia a couple weeks ago. We are on a very low income and struggle getting the most basic things done as a result. Please keep our family in your thoughts and prayers. Thank you.

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#122
Oct 13, 2009
 
If you wish (and my sister agrees) I will you and her in touch with each other. I think it is VERY important that folks who have these phenomenally wonderful kids support each other. You have so many painful issues to deal with. Gosh.

I am sitting here (stayed home from work to prevent the spread) with a simple upper-respiratory virus, my own boys are grown and gone, and I have absolutely no reason on earth to complain, not when you and my sister have to deal with SERIOUS issues.
reckerdt wrote:
Until I watched Oprah today, I had never seen another child anything close to my Sylvia. My oldest daughter who is 12 was diagnosed with autism first than schizophrenia(but only from the ssi doctor). She has so much in common with Jani, however she is not violent like her and she seems to be improving on some things but regressing on others. I chose not to medicate her because she also has epilepsy, adhd, brown syndrome and severe allergies and meds can make some of these conditions worse. I also see how her problems have affected her two little sisters ages 6 and 8. I am just glad her parents appear strong and healthy physically. I have lupus, some other health issues from childhood and haven't worked since 2004. My two little ones both have had heart surgery. If that isn't enough, my younger sister was told she has Leukemia a couple weeks ago. We are on a very low income and struggle getting the most basic things done as a result. Please keep our family in your thoughts and prayers. Thank you.
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