Scabies won't go away
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#1 Aug 28, 2006
I got scabies about 3 years ago from my ex-girlfriend. She said she got them from living in a lower-class living home. I have had them now for years and have tried all types of treatments. I have tried the creams, washed my clothes, cleaned my sheets, and it always seems like they have gone away except for the fact that I still have multiple red sores on the top of my thighs. These sores will nto go away no matter how many treatments I go through. The last treatment was three nights of Permethrin 5% Cream. And I still have the sores on my thighs. Any ideas???
#2 Sep 9, 2006
I'm trying the tea tree oil and (I'm trying to find out if it's ok but...) the eucalyptus oil helps with the itch.
Good luck if you find an answer would you mind posting it here?
#3 Sep 11, 2006
Well I've used the Permethrin Cream a total of like 5 times. The last time I used the cream I applied it 4 times in a two week period just to be sure. I washed all my linens and bed sheets. And I thought it was gone, but now I am starting to show the bumps again. Mostly on my thighs. What the hell!?!?!
#4 Sep 11, 2006
alright so ive had scabies now for about 10 months now and im really starting to go crazy, ive already had a full body breakout that was horrifying im sure you know what i mean if you have it or had the experience constantly itching with rage and taking lots of extremely hot showers
i have tried the permithrin creme as recomended many times in fact two full tubes in two months span, ive done the whole leave my house for a week and wash EVERYTHING and yada yada yada and bumps still keep popping up randomly almost everyday still
after hearing about the jive with the tee trea oil i went and got a bottle of it, you might find it cheaper but i got a small bottle for 7 bucks at my local pharmacy
for the past two days i have been covering my body from head to toe with the oil and it is very soothing, it has a distinct smell though (almost like petrulio oil or somthing - the hippie perfume)
anyways im on a mission to get rid of this nightmare and will take in any advise to those who have gotten rid of this problem, so far i have high hopes for the tee trea oil
i really hope something works
#5 Sep 13, 2006
I'm affraid that the tea tree oil will only sooth itching.Although, it is one of the strongest antiseptic oils,it will not cure scabies...
You have to wash your clothes, underwear and bed sheets in at least 55 degrees Celsius and do not use it for 14 days to be sure it's all gone.
After that, iron the stuff(in high temerature) and do not sleep in your bed for about 3-5 days. Usually, "it" dies after 3-5 days without human's blood.
The breaks between the treatment should take no longer than a week. I've done 2 treatments with lindan on two subsequent weekends (although it is not good for our health I was so desperated, that I used it twice) and after that, the following weekend I did two other three-day treatments with crotamiton 10% applying it three times in the evening.I washed it away after 3 days and I took a bath with the tea tree oil.I hope it will help. So far it seems to be better and itching is less severe and less frequent.
It is said, that yor skin is prone to be itching for about 2-3 weeks and it does not mean that the treatment has failed.
take care and good luck!
#6 Sep 28, 2006
im gonna try again....
cause your absolutly right tea tree oil doesnt cure, this im posotive about...it only took me a month and 4 bottles of oil and plenty of comments from friends and family wondering why i smelled like woodstock all the time
TEA TREE oil is not a cure
im going to jump into a volcano and burn these bastards off anyone wanna come alone?
#7 Sep 30, 2006
Seriously, I agree about the volcano
Yep, unfortunately, I also agree that the tea tree oil doesn't seem to be curing it. It definitely helps the symptoms some I think.
I've also been swimming laps at night hoping all the chemicals would help.
Just heard cover yourself in petroleum jelly for three nights in a row. They can't breath supposedly.
So this is my next feeble attempt and I'm set to see a dermatologist.
My doctor said to leave the permetherin on for 8-12 hours so I left it on little over 12. Now I'm reading that it can be left on 24 hours??
So I'll ask the Derm. if I can try that.
There sounds like there's some risk with the Lindan but I definitely understand the desperation.
I think a family member may have gotten it despite all precautions. The dogs make it more difficult also. I'm concerned about work members.
If anyone figures it out pass it on right?
#8 Oct 1, 2006
Guys, it seems that the bas..rd that has been feeding with my blood for the last 6 weeks has all gone!!!
I did one more treatment with crotamiton 10%(liquid)last weekend to be sure it will disappear for good.
This time I applied it twice a day for 4 days(in the morning and before I vent to bed). After that I took a hot bath (30 minutes of soaking in water).Then I removed the layers of crotamiton by rubbing my skin with my palms.My skin peeled off with the layers of crotamiton and (probably)some dead mites. Next, I used antihistamine cures to sooth the itching, I took baths with tea tree oil and did peelings.
As far as peelings go, ingredients used in body- peelings available can make things worse, because the skin is very irritated after the treatment.
My beautician advised me to use sugar or grind coffe to do peelings.It may sound funny, but it works.
One more important thing is to RUB INTO any scabies creams or liquids not only spread it all over your body.Rubbing makes the treatment more effective and you should remember about not wearing your clothes for 14 days etc.
If some of the permethrine cream or crotamiton( crotamiton is almost without a scent) lefts, you can apply it for some time on hands.It is to avoid re-infection from people that you or someone else could have infected before.
Good luck for all of you!
#9 Oct 1, 2006
ps."you should remember about not wearing your clothes for 14 days etc." in my previous post I meant that you should not use infected clothes , of course...;)
São Paulo, Brazil
#10 Oct 2, 2006
Awful disease. It takes some time to get rid of it. On my case I had to use a cream with 10% of sulfur on it to get rid of the scabies.
Permethrin didnt work with me.
And yes..its very important to wash the clothes and bed clothes and if possible dry them on a dry cleaner. I dried all my clothes on 120ºC.
Most important thing is to ALWAYS go to your dermathologist every week until you know you are improving from the disease. Took me a month to get rid of scabies.
#11 Oct 3, 2006
Okay, we got scabies. Went to the emergency room first and they asked if my husband was psycotic or a meth user...they sent us away to a dermatologist.
Went to another emergency room same night. They were alot more sympathetic. But, still no diagnosis except dermatitis. Neither hospital did any scraping, etc...
After having Terminex out and spray for bed bugs 3 times in two weeks, spending hundreds of dollars on home bug sprays, breaking our washer from washing everything 50 times, throwing most of our furniture out - After numurous hours investigating on the net, we came to our own conclusion that it is scabies.
Now - over 2 months into this ordeal we are starting to treat this as scabies. Not sure where we got it except my husband has been traveling alot on planes and staying in various places. Or, maybe I got it somewhere and spread it to him? Anyways, at this point, we do not care where we got it. Just want them to go away!
So, trying the permitherin, vinegar, epsom salt, tee treal oil, wash, wash, wash, our bed mattress has been bagged up for weeks now.
Any other suggestions?
#12 Oct 3, 2006
MY SON CAME DOWN WITH SCABIES ABOUT 2 MONTHS AGO AND WE DISCOUNTED IT AS FLEA BITES AND/OR IRRITATION DUE TO CHANGE IN TYPE OF COLONGE WE WAS USING...WENT TO DR. YESTERDAY AND DR. AGREED IT IS SCABIES. WE TREATED HIM TONIGHT WITH THE PERMETHRISN CREAM AS DIRECTED...HE WASHED ALL OF HIS CLOTHES IN HOT WATER AND HOT DRYER AND WILL DO SAME WITH BED CLOTHES AND TOWELS TOMORROW. I HAVE NOT COME DOWN WITH IT AS OF YET. HIS COUSIN CAME DOWN WITH IT AND IS GOING TO DR. TOMORROW. WERE WOULD HE HAVE CAUGHT THIS AT. HE SPENT THE NITE WITH HIM COUSIN 2 MONTHS AGO...THEY HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF DOGS AND CATS AND THE VERY NEXT DAY HE CAME DOWN WITH THE RASHES...BUT ACCORDING TO ALL I CAN FIND ON INTERNET YOU CAN'T CATCH IT FROM A PET. ANY IDEAS.
#13 Oct 4, 2006
Over the summer I had a community service internship in Fiji. I stayed in a small village in the mountains with a host family and started new community service projects. It was great!(mostly)
I got back August 10th and everything was fine for about a month. As soon as I left home to go back to college, however, I started getting really itchy. First I thought it was some kind of spider or something in my new dorm room, so I washed my sheets and bedclothes. Still itchy. Then I thought maybe it was this new soap I was using so I changed back to an old soap. Still itchy. After about two weeks I went to the doctor who told me I probably got scabies in Fiji and that the signs can take 4-6 weeks to show up the first time you get it.
So... I got some acticin perscribed and followed all the directions, washing my bedsheets and everything I wore prior to knowing that I had scabies. It's been two weeks since then and I'm still getting new itchy bumps! Argh!
I'm going to re-wash everything again. I hope it works this time. Also, since I'm staying in a dorm it's hard to do things like not sleep in my bed for a few days or leave things untouched for weeks.
Also, in the month between getting back from Fiji and leaving for college (when I didn't know I had scabies), I spent the night with my boyfriend numerous times. He hasn't had any symptomes yet and I really hope I didn't give it to him. Is there any way to know if you have it before the actual bumps start to show up? I hope that we don't accidentally keep giving it back and forth to eachother.
#14 Oct 8, 2006
My partner and I have been battling for 10 months now. Been through Tea Tree, Been through gallons of Acticin. Love Ivermectin...
The Doctors here in Phoenix think we are Delusional Pruritis (sp?) which means they think it is in our heads.
Recently we took Oral Ivermectin, then repeated one week later and treated the cats with the same course. We were clear for 2 weeks since the last dose of Ivermectin.
My partner and I describe the itch and "Creepy Crawly" sensations on a scale of 1 to 10. We were both "zero" for 2 weeks, but Thursday (10/5/2006) we were both about a 4 to 6 and getting worse. He's been out of town for a week also, away from the house and cats and sheets and everything.
Only thing I figure is the Ivermectin kills most of the mites but the eggs remain?
This is a tough thing to get rid of. If you think you have it, I feel bad for you. Get a stockpile of every chemical you can and blast it hard. Do NOT be shy.
Thankfully I just received a "lifetime" supply of Ivermectin and am back on it now.
#15 Oct 10, 2006
HALELUJA! I went to a dermatologist last week after having some really bad breakouts... I was really starting to get worried... Anyway, he said that what I had was a post-scabies irritation. He said that my scabies had been gone for a while but my skin was still having an allergic reaction to what I had before. He gave me some Vanos cream and things have been fine ever since. Some of you who are feeling hopeless, perhaps you're experiencing the same problem... in this case, more pesticides would be no help.
Go to a dermatologist! They are like Gods! Ask if it could be this post-scabies thing!
Good luck to you all my itchy friends!
#16 Oct 10, 2006
... give us an update in a month.. just in case.
#17 Oct 29, 2006
er... My apologies for correcting you, the mite is not a blood sucker. It burrows in the stratum corneum ( ie the horny layer of skin), and lives on tissue fluid.
If the parasite is off the host (ie. human) for 3 or more days, esp. if the air is dry and warm, it will die, or will become unable to burrow. These things tend to dry out, unless it is cold and humid.
IMHO understanding the biology and lifecycle of the parasite , so that you can intelligently target chose and time treatment and preventing reinfection are key.
#18 Oct 29, 2006
A good resource is the Jen Scabies manual:
Some important info:
1) Eggs hatch in 3-5 days ( some authors say rarely up to 8 days).
2) The Eggs are tough to kill. Permethtrin and Lindane is supposed to kill them, but it is easy to miss some. There is some talk about variants that are developing resitance to permethrin.
3) Hatchlings reach adulthood in 14 days ( there may be some variation, depending on temperature probably no less than 10 days)
IMHO the surest treatment is 2 doses of Stromectol, 200 mcg per body kilogramm, taken 10 days apart.
The rationale for this:
Assuming there is no reinfection, the first dose kills any live mites. It does not miss any in your skin, because it gets into your blood and tissues. everywhere. It is probably a good idea to take some nice long salt baths, or use your favorite topical at the same time to kill any immature mites that live on your skin, and not yet burrowed in.
After the first dose and a nice long hot bath, you only have eggs left, possibly quite a few under your skin. All of them will bne hatched in 10 days, but this is not enough for them to reach maturity and mate. Hence a 2nd dose of stromectol in 10 days.
Note that the stromectol may make your symptoms appear worse for a few days. This is because it kills all mites under your skin, and they break down, causing the typical outbreaks because of the allergic reaction which causes the symptoms.
Immature mites create small holes (molting pouches)
when they change from one developmental stage to another.
You have a real problem when a pregnant female tunnels into your skin. She produces 2-3 eggs a day and lives 1-2 moths.(some literature says up to 3 months)
Some other things I tried:
a) Sulphur ointment. You can get sublimated sulphur powder, and make your own ointment with petroleum jelly. This did not work at all for us.
It did not kill the mites, and, within a few days we all had severely irritated skin. Like, red, and parchment like.
Possibly my method of making the cream had some imperfections.(Made it in the mixer)
One of my elder relatives recalls using some from of sulphur cream in POW camp, and claims it smelled like rotten eggs. This leads me to believe the original cream is some sulphur compound, not pure sulphur powder.
2) Benzyl Benzoate : an older topical lotion, can be had over the counter in most European countries. Works reasonably well to kill mites on contact. Does not kill eggs. It is a skin irritant, especially after a hot bath, and even worse on wet skin.
the absolute worse you could do is trying to wash it off with warm water if it is stinging your skin.
Be extremely careful not to get it in your eyes.
All that said, if applied to cool dry skin, it is not bad at all. For kids , or sensitive skin, it can be mixed with some water based lotion 1:1 ( like eucerin or something similar). It becomes a lot more palatable, and it is better than nothing.
There are some unanswered questions that remain unclear to me based on the literature:
1) It seems to me once a female dug in it does not go anywhere, and only lays eggs in a burrow. How can there be any eggs of host? What is the mechanism for that?
2) What is the formula for the infamous sulphur ointment?
3) The mites are tracheal breathers. They need air.
How long can they live without air? E.g.: If you immerse yourself in a bathtub, how long before they suffocate?
4) How about a nice caribean vacation? Would sun exposure and swimming in the ocean help?
#19 Oct 31, 2006
Funny, I too have the same questions as you. I would also like to know that if the eggs are off the host, can they survive and for how long?
#20 Oct 31, 2006
As per the available literature, mites may survive up to 5 days at normal room temperature.
Longer if it is cold and humid.
Eggs deposited off the host may hatch in 7 days, but the air must be humid for this.
One anecdotal data point from personal experience: Last winter, we left our house for a week when we took our 2nd dose of Stromectol.
Left the termostats at 70 (fahrenheit) the whole time. We did not have any problem with reinfection after that.
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