Rosadyn launch

As a former GN bandwagoner, I am disappointed in all the BS and nonsense on the Rosadyn(R) site. Full of scientific, important-sounding words to impress potential buyers (hypothalamic blend anyone?) I am also dismayed that someone constantly reminding us of his scientific and clinical background would stoop so low as to sell basically what ammounts to an unproven herbal blend. Anti-oxidants? Do anti-oxidants play a role in the pathogenesis of rosacea? And of course, no studies or trials relating to efficacy (and be sure to read the FDA disclaimer).
Many will buy this simply because...well there is nothing else...and you gotta admit, for the layman, the sales pitch is quite slick....I hope it works for them but geez....
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Amen, Perry! Who needs all those 'doctors' and their 'anti-oxidants' and their big words making unproven products they say will help us rosacea sufferers?

Really, the last thing we need is another unproven Proactiv. I mean, what trials or studies do "Drs" Rodan and Fields really have?! None! Just a whole bunch of pictures and testimonials and celebrity endorsements (which I'm sure they paid handsomely for!).

And what does Rosadyn have? Not even a single celebrity, or a multi-million dollar clinical study! Only one set of pictures, a half dozen testimonials, and their slick sales pitch! Ha. And they call themselves doctors? I say we jump on them and point out all their flaws, and assume all those testimonials are fake, and attack them and any so-called supporters in any way we can!

That will send a clear message to anyone else with the nerve to try to come up with a cure for rosacea!

Perry wrote:

As a former GN bandwagoner, I am disappointed in all the BS and nonsense on the Rosadyn(R) site.

Hello Perry

Thanks for coming on and as with Larry I entirely agree with your comments. For me it’s just a classic internet scam and I bet that money back guarantee is just like the one for his consultancy service and is meaningless.

The biggest joke is Nase claiming that the ingredients of this elixir have put him in rosacea remission for 8 years but he has been unable to show any current genuine photographs to prove this. I’m ignoring the picture on his “apparent” PA driver’s license as we all know he no longer looks like this. He also disappeared from here when he was confronted with questions about his past that he couldn’t or more likely wouldn’t answer.

I think the site is very amateurish and hopefully any prospective customers will Google the name Rosadyn or Nase first and then reel back in horror when the truth sinks in. To me the entire BS about this so called company and Bitter, is just a vain attempt to try and give it some authenticity. What ever happened to Trey Sykes – RTX on here and SolomonCox on the RF? I thought he would be out there somewhere banging the drum for his buddy? When Nase first crowed about his new company Vascular Health Specialists, LLC he said they had recruited a “financial backer with a background in early stage venture capital investments and investment management who was also a rosacea sufferer” Well the wording “rosacea sufferer” has now mysteriously disappeared?

If Nase was in remission for all these years why was he still packing people off to Nielson’s Clinic in Texas for expensive laser treatments when it would have been easier and cheaper for them to have a few tubs of his magic potion?

I see as part of his disclaimer it says “These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.”

Oh well really not much point in ordering them – is there?

If people do want to try taking a supplement for their rosacea then why not contact SuVida and see if it’s cheaper:

http://www.suvida.com/

This was the company Nase originally tried to do a deal with – that is he would buy their product in bulk and then re-label it with his name and sell it on.

Peter

I also see on the Rosadyn site he says:

“Developed by rosacea specialist and former rosacea sufferer, Dr. Geoffrey Nase, Ph.D.”

As far as I am aware there is no such term as a “rosacea specialist” and in Nase’s case it’s just another of his self-appointed titles.

He describes himself as a “former rosacea sufferer” but cannot provide proof of this. The same way he can’t provide proof of all these studies he has apparently been involved in and articles he has supposedly written.

Patrick Bitter Snr should know better than getting involved with this conman especially as he himself was once on probation for unprofessional conduct and made to re-sit a medical ethics course.

http://www.topix.com/forum/health/rosacea/TFT...

To Larry,
The sarcasm in your post is duly noted. As a pharmacist (Pharm.D., but you can call me 'Perry'-- I don't need "Dr." in front of my name to feel important), I think it's important to remember that those really trying to expound on rosacea knowledge are those working in labs, doing research and studies either independently but usually for pharmaceutical companies. These guys are the ones - behind the scenes - accumulating the data and hopefully making progress regarding any legitimate rosacea txs or cures. Of course, this is markedly opposed to ANYONE throwing unproven herbals together without any supportive data whatsoever and claiming (in this case)that this anti-oxidant blend targets the "root cause" (or whatever) of rosacea. Please remember that no one knows the etiology of rosacea, so how can this be, and where is the data?
People often slam the FDA, but at the very least, the FDA ensures that once a (legitimate) medicinal is marketed, it first has to show EFFICACY (~ proof via clinical trials) that it does what it says it will do (at least in most and the majority of the time, anyway). Compared to the data (or lack of) regarding Rosadyn(R), I'd say this is a pretty big "flaw", wouldn't you?
Now enough preaching by me. If you try this, I hope it works for you! However, please be cautious regarding any OTCs claiming to "treat" rosacea (or any other disease state) as you will prob. be disappointed.
Perry

Hey Perry,

Long time! How's life in pharmacy treating you? I think the last time I read one of your posts you were in your third year of professional school... wonderful to see that you survived!

You know, my wife is an experienced PharmD also. She has functioned in academia, consultancy, and more recently in clinical coordination. It doesn't surprise me that her sentiments mirror yours perfectly.

The Rosadyn pitch seems to have been scripted expressly to target the laymen. The professionals that I speak too are unanimously unconvinced, as there appears to be little or nothing to support any of the products numerous claims (besides techno jargon and hot air).

Infact, the last time I asked for something solid, I got insulted and told to visit a medical library... NICE!

Anyway, good to hear from you! Take care.

BB

Hi Bob,
Good to see a familiar face! Hope you and the family are doing well. Me....doing fine....can't complain.
I really didn't mean to personally attack anyone here so much as just to give an educated opinion that I feel would be shared by the vast majority of medical professionals (I mean, I didn't know this stuff 8 years ago...)!
I really haven't spent a lot of time on the boards the last couple of years. All the idiocy in the rosacea community (which I was a part of) caused me to give it a rest. Plus, nothing much happening anyway....When something new comes along...it will make headlines.
I have nothing against someone trying to make a buck. I was just (really) surprised at someone supposedly educated (hell, I don't know what to beieve anymore) in science (notice I did NOT say 'medicine') pushing something of this sort.
Anyway, take care,
Perry

Oh, and I just noticed, a perfect example of why some like me become cynical at all the BS...Rosadyn(R) was released earlier this week? And yet all the 'testimonials'? So Soon? Wow...so if I order a bottle...I'll get it the same day, and it will clear my rosacea in 1-2 days???
Man, that's some power stuff....
Perry

Did you see the "before and after" pic on the website?!! Can you believe he posted that pic, completely washed out with light, note the difference in the womans hair color too!! It's a total joke.

Perry wrote:

Oh, and I just noticed, a perfect example of why some like me become cynical at all the BS...Rosadyn(R) was released earlier this week? And yet all the 'testimonials'? So Soon? Wow...so if I order a bottle...I'll get it the same day, and it will clear my rosacea in 1-2 days???
Man, that's some power stuff....
Perry

Did you see the other stream on the pilot study (see below)? I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but I would deduce that that's where they got their testimonials from...

P.S. Lest the accusations start to fly, I can tell you that I'm not Nase!

My wife was fortunate to get into Dr. Nase and Dr. Bitter's pilot study on rosadyn. We had baseline evaluations of rosadyn's symptoms and weekly evaluation of rosacea clearance via in-depth questionnaires and phone calls. She also submitted before and after photos.

My wife is a severe flusher with daily redness that is so bad that she does not go out into the public anymore. She would be considered a severe case. Oral meds, topical meds and lasers have had no effect.

I have watched her face change since taking rosadyn. It is not red anymore and I'd say there's at least a 70% reduction in flushing. This happened with just 5 weeks of treatment. Her face feels better and looks better. I dont have to shave my face to be close to her anymore. We expect to see further clearance over the next few months and cannot wait.

My wife is in contact with two other friends in the pilot study and they have noticed significant changes.

I think it is our duty to the rosacea community to report a treatment when it shows great potential. Rosadyn does."

Perry wrote:

Oh, and I just noticed, a perfect example of why some like me become cynical at all the BS...Rosadyn(R) was released earlier this week? And yet all the 'testimonials'? So Soon? Wow...so if I order a bottle...I'll get it the same day, and it will clear my rosacea in 1-2 days???
Man, that's some power stuff....
Perry

I could just never come to terms with the notion of a product so powerful, yet so free from potential side effects or drug interactions. As a pharmacist, you'll know more than anyone that such substances simply don't exist.

If they said that Rosadyn could have may potential benefits for the rosacean if taken regularly over a long period of time, then I'd be quite receptive. But this 70% improvement in 5 weeks lark, with no side effects or risks just doesn't sound remotely viable to my laymen ears.

BB

Mr. Dr. Watson,
Yeah...I'll say you're prob. not a Sherlock Holmes...but I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume that you know that the vast majority of ALL studies are 'placebo controlled' which means that the subjects never know if they were subjected to the actual drug, or to 'placebo'(control group). By this method, the studies are not subjected to "bias". So how would they know what affected their rosacea???
I'd also guess that if any studies were done, and were successful, they'd be plastered all over the Rosaydyn(R) website. Are they? And of course, all legitimate studies are peer-reviewed (to gain acceptance and credibility in the medical community), and subsequently are published. So?Now, I guess a "sherlock holmes" type response would be that: "The studies were done but haven't either been scrutinized or published yet". Fair enough. Then please be kind enough to provide either information (or a link to info.) regarding the the solicitation of patients for this "pilot study" (inclusion criteria).
I mean, I'm not trying to cause a stink here. I would LOVE to see evidence of truthfulness relating to the website....Hell...unlike some others here, I can even say I'm wrong when I'm wrong...but please show me some evidence first and last, don't ever ASSUME.
Perry

Perry wrote:

Now, I guess a "sherlock holmes" type response would be that: "The studies were done but haven't either been scrutinized or published yet". Fair enough. Then please be kind enough to provide either information (or a link to info.) regarding the the solicitation of patients for this "pilot study" (inclusion criteria).

Perry,

Geoffrey has been intrinsically involved with countless cutting edge studies over the past few years.

Sadly, they were too cutting edge to be published, so we will just have to trust his good word.

In REAL science, peer review meaningless, and only stifles the brilliance of stars such as Geoffrey Nase.

You'll see. Any day now...

BB

Taken from an internet fraud website for financial investments but still applicable for anyone thinking of buying Rosadyn.

Especially note points 4. and 9.

1. Don't invest in anything based on appearances. Just because an individual or company has a flashy web site doesn't mean it is legitimate. Web sites can be created in just a few days. After a short period of taking money, a site can vanish without a trace.

2. Don’t invest in anything you are not absolutely sure about. Do your homework on the investment to ensure that it is legitimate.

3. Do your homework on the individual or company to ensure that they are legitimate.

4. Check out other web sites regarding this person/company.

5. Don’t judge a person/company by their web site.

6. Be cautious when responding to special investment offers (especially through unsolicited e-mail).

7. Be cautious when dealing with individuals/companies from outside your own country.

8. Inquire about all the terms and conditions.

9. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.

Dr Watson wrote:

Did you see the other stream on the pilot study (see below)? I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but I would deduce that that's where they got their testimonials from...
P.S. Lest the accusations start to fly, I can tell you that I'm not Nase!
My wife was fortunate to get into Dr. Nase and Dr. Bitter's pilot study on rosadyn. We had baseline evaluations of rosadyn's symptoms and weekly evaluation of rosacea clearance via in-depth questionnaires and phone calls. She also submitted before and after photos.
My wife is a severe flusher with daily redness that is so bad that she does not go out into the public anymore. She would be considered a severe case. Oral meds, topical meds and lasers have had no effect.
I have watched her face change since taking rosadyn. It is not red anymore and I'd say there's at least a 70% reduction in flushing. This happened with just 5 weeks of treatment. Her face feels better and looks better. I dont have to shave my face to be close to her anymore. We expect to see further clearance over the next few months and cannot wait.
My wife is in contact with two other friends in the pilot study and they have noticed significant changes.
I think it is our duty to the rosacea community to report a treatment when it shows great potential. Rosadyn does."

I must have missed this one when I was on holiday last week:

Dr Watson yes I can confirm you are most certainly not a Sherlock Holmes. Keep reading the books and you never know – one day perhaps?

The said testimonial regarding Rosadyn that you saw was, from a new member called Joseph B with his sadly rosacea inflicted wife plus the striking “LION” avatar. It was suspicious at the time because Nase’s voice was recognizable in there but then BIG BIG GOOF. As was pointed out the “LION” avatar was also seen resting in Dr. Geoffrey Nase’s Topix profile and on all the posts from when he logged in as this member had little “LIONS” all over them. Oh dear what a slip up and proof that Joseph B = Nase. Tut tut writing his own testimonials again to drum up business. Nase very quickly had to remove the “LION” from his profile but much too late – many of us got a shot :) He is going to have to smarten up a bit if he wants to catch us out.

The DB site were also quick to pick up on this schoolboy error and included it in their recent update.

There you go we live and learn but some things like Nase’s fraud just never change. Yes it is also our duty to report to the rosacea community when there is an obvious scam going down.