All PhD Candidates receive full Tuition Coverage, Stipends, Health Care

Obviously the one person who literally has no life, has absolutely no knowledge about PhD's or how to do simple, proper scientific research... wants to start arguments on a subject that anyone with a scientific background knows about - PhD's are fully covered financially through all their training... they get paid to go to school because they were the elite to be chosen for the program.

No wonder Peter Waters is wrong about almost every subject having to do with Rosacea causes and treatment. This is analogous to a Jiffy Lube attendant discussing triple by-pass heart surgery.

All PhD's accepted into the WVU School of Medicine receive a full tuition waiver throughout their entire training (Currently $40,000 a year for at least 5 years), a Stipend to cover living expenses so they can focus on work ($25,000 a year for at least 5 years), and full Health Coverage. This is the same for all PhD University School of Medicine Programs across the Country. It's universal. Now Master's Programs (which is also an impressive degree) are not covered at all.... only PhD's at the highest level. You need to be accepted to the extremely competitive PhD program where hundreds of students are battling for 1 to 2 spots every year.

All you need to do is research PhD Programs (tuition and stipend coverage) at any University School of Medicine online and it will spell it out clear as day... or you can get Dateline or Oprah and continue your embarrassing streak of failures and mud slinging Mr. Waters.

You are a true gem. Would you have any type of life if you could not wake up every morning and post on this board two dozen times each day into the late night hours? What would you do if you could not... get a job?

Thomas, PhD

Hey Thomas the Tank Nase PhD

I’m flattered by the attention you keep giving me whilst you are frantically trying to cover up your tracks on this Forum.

Me thinks its worth doing a little bit of checking on your academic career and there should be plenty of data available, given it took took you 17 years to get your PhD. When I started that thread about asking someone to do a bit of sleuthing, then you quickly put a flurry of posts on with new threads to push mine down the list.

By the way Nase as Thomas PhD your posts since last Tuesday have come from:

SANTA CLARA

PLEASANTON

UNITED STATES

SAN DIEGO

ENCINITAS

Anyway I have already destroyed your myth about MD’s and PhD’s, not having a license and just about every lie that you drag up. Some more sleuthing required.

For someone supposedly a genius or one of the elite, then I hope the School of Medicine concerned manage to get a refund on all the $$$$ they obviously wasted on you.

MR. Waters,

I am still new to this type of hate-filled, mudslinging forum, but I am smart enough to know that you are a true Con Artist that twists words to your advantage... the main problem with you is that you are not that good at being a Con Artist and your thought processing and analysis is wrong on almost ever post.

You are a DIFFERENT kind of Con Artist. You are what is known as an Instrusive or Chaos Causing Con Artist. All you want to do is wreak havoc. That is your job and, even when you know your wrong, you feel great satisfaction at anybody responding to your posts. I will no longer indulge you in your mental defect.

Instead, I will point out the FOUR main points you made above in your post and how wrong you were on each post. These are major points that you thought you were actually correct about:

1. There are over a dozen types of PhD's. I stated from the very beginning that I went to a three year PhD (not a Medical Doctorate) to teach Biology at a private college. You incorrectly stated that I went to school 17 years after college. If you can't remember this major difference after one or two days, then it's clear to assume that you have some dysfunction in your frontal lobe that does not allow you to retain information well and that's why you get SO MANY STATEMENTS AND CONCLUSIONS WRONG. I would be willing to be that if you took a PET Scan to measure blood flow in various parts of your frontal lobe that you would have a pathology there with diminished blood flow.

2. You rambled on about Medical Licenses and non sense mumbo jumbo when it was already explained that the grants submitted to the NIH and AMA for Dr. Nase to perform clinical drug studies and minor vascular and neural surgery has to be passed by the Medical Ethics board -- he had three Medical Doctorate Degrees and this is the only verification he needs. I he wanted to go and do laser treatments in his area of expertise, he would submit a short grant, get approved and treat patients. That has already been explained but your frontal lobe seems to be lacking almost complete blood flow.

3. You are pompous and falsely believe you know everything. That is a major character flaw and probably the main reason you have no supporters or friends. As a PhD, I learn HOW LITTLE I KNOW ABOUT THE HUMAN BODY. I am completely humbled and I find myself saying, "I don't know" a lot of times... "but I will try to find out". For every fact we know about the complex brain or heart, we don't know a thousand uncovered facts. You are not even in biology, science, medicine, bio-medicine or medicine so for you to be making any sort of statements about causes and treatments of rosacea or critiquing them is absolutely dumbfounding to me.

4. You list several different cities in California from where I've posted the last week. You state in all your grandeur and pompousness that these must be fakes. Do you know everything about me or PhD's. Do you know that I went to three seminars the last three days up and down the coastline and I helped a colleague finish a study for two days. I have rarely come across a narcissist of your degree with so many faults and erroneous conclusions that you state as fact.

You don't help rosacea sufferers and you certainly aren't the jovial type to help them get through hard times.

THE ONLY THING YOU DO IS PICK OUT A PART OF A SENTENCE FROM A LONG POST OR A WORD, OR A CITY FROM WHERE THE POST IS MADE FROM, OR SIMPLY MAKE STUFF UP. MOST PEOPLE LIKE THIS ARE NARCISSISTS WITH MODERATE LIVING SKILLS (EXPLAINS WHY YOU ARE LIVING WITH YOUR PARENTS) AND WHILE MANY PEOPLE USE THIS TERM TO OFTEN, YOU WOULD BE CLINICALLY CLASSIFIED AS A PSYCHOPATH BECAUSE YOU FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE TO CARE ABOUT ANYONE ELSE OR THE PAIN YOU CAUSE THEM. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE IN YOUR WORLD AND IT SHOWS CLEAR AS DAY ON THIS SIMPLE LITTLE HATE BOARD.

--Thomas, PhD

If it is true that you are still holding a grudge from one post that Dr. Nase and Dr. Crouch made SIX YEARS ago about Red Light Therapy then you are a Class V Psychopath... which sadly means... medications, biofeedback, shock therapy and even frontal lobe surgery will do nothing as your neurochemistry and neural hardwiring is already set and this has probably been a life long affliction.

-- Thomas PhD

I'm having fun with you right now Peter as I wanted to see if you hit the trifecta of psychiatric illnesses. Congratulations, you did.

Within minutes of three of my posts, you posted right back. This is probably better than sex for you because your obsessive compulsive disorder releases endorphins and enkephalins (feel good hormones) that are proven to be released by narcissists and psychopaths (your trifecta) when you demean someone or perceive a victory over an enemy (real or imagined).

Sadly, your trifecta of illnesses results in impotence in almost all cases, so the only way to release those endorphins and enkephalins is to go round and round with this narcissistic, pyschopathic, obsessive compulsive disorder of yours.

It may be a slight leap, but these types of personality disorders never get married (like you), live with their parents (like you), cannot hold down a steady job or do dishonest work (like you), do not make friends outside of a few sociopaths with your similar mental defects (like you).

You know that you were born with these genetics which gave you the predisposition for these horrible personality traits, but studies have shown time and time again that YOU are still responsible for your outcome. Treatment, medication and behavior modification often brings most back to a near-normal lifestyle... you just need to be cautious of your stressors. Sadly, you are inducing your own stressors every day with your posts and your hate mail. You still can overcome your genetic predisposition but it seems that you are set into your pyschopathic lifestyle.

That must be a horrible way to live. You are literally trapped inside your own mind -- you know what's right and wrong, but like Jeffrey Dahmer, you enjoy emotional and physical pain that you try to inflict. That is the only way to feel good for a while by releasing those endorphins and enkepahlins; however they only last one to two hours, so you are now left tired, manic and even more geared up to go on a more aggressive attack.

Six years of a vicious vendetta because two doctors told rosacea sufferers to be very careful with Red Light Therapy and to NEVER make you own machine. I would not even know where to start with treatment suggestions as this probably started during puberty when those frontal lobe genes turned on...

West Virginia University School of Medicine is one of the largest campuses in the East and is ranked the Second Best Academic School in the Big East which includes the prestigious Boston College which ranks #3, Georgetown which ranks #4 and UConn which ranks #5. Then goes DePaul, St. Johns, U.Cinn., Rutgers, Providence, etc, etc.

Notre Dame is the only school that ranks higher at 1.

I had a chuckle while I was drinking my morning coffee after getting back from my trip because our resident Dick Tracey (AKA Peter Waters) was already lost and throwing up links to campuses that were not even in Morgantown!!! He had a link to an Elementary School and Dr. Nase just looked to tall to be in that class. LMAO

Here is the basic starter page for West Virginia University School of Medicine: Bio-Medical Sciences, where Dr. Nase received his Bio-Medical PhD. There are lots of links, but the take home message is that everything that I posted regarding WVU paying him nearly $200,000 to go to school may seem unfathomable... plus $25,000 in stipends each year and full health coverage. But what you must realize is that every Medical Publication and Grant that Dr. Nase received during his tenure there gets the School its prestige.

It's common for a PhD student to publish one or two major medical articles (18 to 25 pages long) over five years and get one grant funded. This more than makes up for WVU footing this large academic bill.

By my account Dr. Nase did not publish one or two major articles, he published 11 major medical journal articles in the American Journal of Physiology (Heart and Circulatory Physiology) and received three grants... that's why he won the Van Liere Award while he was a PhD Candidate there. BTW, Dick Tracey can look these up on Pubmed and thanks to new funding, many of them open up as a PDF and can be read for free so everyone can see the level of bio-medical work that Dr Nase had to keep up with... it's not all cake can bon-bons.

Here is the information and link for verification because Peter Waters may send you a link to Mexico or an elementary school in Belize.

West Virginia University School of Medicine – Bio-Medical Degree & Tuition

http://www.hsc.wvu.edu/resoff/phdprograms/bio...

Planted right in the middle of the page for Bio-Medical PhD Candidates (in red)is the key information:

You will receive a stipend of $25,000 with full tuition coverage and WVU student health insurance.

... each year they cover that cost for Bio-Medical PhDs!!!

M.D.'s have to take out Stafford Loans and the cost is exactly the same. Makes you think.

--Thomas PhD

Strange posts from Thomas Nase PhD?

Lets have some facts.

Nase's claim to have got nearly $200,000 for his time at WVU (1992-1997) sounded improbable because anyone who has been around in rosacea circles for a while and has a good memory is likely to remember Nase's infamously dishonest "laser burns" photo taken in 1995, a time about which he later claimed:

"I was already a grad student living at the poverty line.”

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-...

"Now with my scenario, I was a student who lived on $20 a week."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-...

That was Nase's story at Rosacea Support and ESFB when he later claimed to have suffered at the hands of Dr. James Bridenstine, Chair of the Department of Dermatology at Pittsburgh University.(To make it sound worse, Nase likes to spell the name to match Frankenstein.) "Dr. Bridenstein gave me a second degree burn. I actually went to the burn unit and they dressed my face and gave me ointments to use for three weeks."

To dramatise it Nase published a ghoulishly discoloured photo he took of himself looking in the mirror:“26 days after treatment. Purple color is burned flesh. Clear ointment over top. You can see that my eyes are still almost swollen shut 28 days after treatment. It took more than three months for it to clear. Then my flushing and neural pain took off even worse.”

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-...

"I was in the burn unit for two days and had to wear special burn moistened gauze for 21 days. My face was a mess, even worse than my severe symptoms to begin with."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/rosacea-...

That was early on when it was common for treatments to result in eyes being swollen shut for one day, and for purpura to form - dark bruising that looks like a black scab but quickly falls off revealing healthy pink skin. Burn scars were impossible because the skin wasn't burnt, not even to sunburn levels.

For some reason, Nase wrote a truthful account in his book (pages 175-178):“I experienced significant swelling, to the point where my eyes were nearly swollen shut for 24 hours. I also experienced crusting and blistering of my facial skin for 10 days, and deep blackish-blue bruising for approximately 16 days. My face was extremely red and sensitive for the next 45 to 50 days.” He later posted it on the Rosacea Forum substituting "deep purpura" for "deep blackish-blue bruising".

http://www.rosaceagroup.org/The_Rosacea_Forum...

Note: Nase’s eyes were “nearly swollen shut for 24 HOURS”, not 28 DAYS. There were no burns so no being hospitalised in the burns unit for two days, etc.

That's why I am one of many who no longer believe anything Nase says. It comes as a surprise if he gets something right occasionally.

If he did get $200,000 then it was a complete waste of US tax payer’s money just to create a useless monster. Suggest you US guys ask for a full refund LOL

Peter knows nothing about Medical Doctorate Degrees and the links do not back up any evidence to the contrary. They are garbage links with garbage explanations.

Bruce,
I think that you are the one who knows NOTHING about medicine. Why do you keep using the term "medical doctorate" degree? Sounds impressive, I know, but don't you really mean simply "PhD"?
Thanks geoffrey!

Are you that dense Artist Cloutier to be using the eigth Alias from Phenic City AL. Is you brain that fried?

Nurses do not know anything about MD degrees or Medical PhD degrees so your forked tongue means less than nothing.

You actually said nothing about nothing. Just mudslinging which is a sign of a very weak mind or one energized by Lithium and Haldol.

Wow, what an ugly malignant post. Marla, who gives you the right to reply for GN (Geoffrey Nase)?
Did he?
And how do you know Artist Cloutier? Were you a member of the old rosacea boards? Yes? No? How to you know what meds she may or may not be on?
Would your guro GN be proud of your ugly, evil post?
Perry
ps I know something of medicine and I am not aware of a "medical doctorate" degree. Just MD, DO, PhD, etc. Please correct me if I am wrong, however. Are you in the medical field?

Hey Perry - fancy seeing you on here.

You are a clever guy so what's your opinion on all these strange posts that keep appearing trying to make out Nase is an MD? Well I've already proved he doesn't have a license and I'm working on some other facts regarding his academic career.

By the way Bruce slipped up on Saturday, forgot where he was and posted from Fishers, Indiana by mistake LOL

Hi Peter.
Nice to see a familiar face again. I haven't been active on the boards in a while. To my knowledge, not much going on in the rosacea arena(or at least not much that will affect we "rosaceans" in the near future I am sure).
Speaking of "rosaceans", what ever happened to Brady Barrows?
Yes, seems to be a bunch of silliness (sp?) and nonsense going on. We've been through this before, though, haven't we?
Regards,
Perry

Dr. Tom,

Thanks for your detailed information in your first post of this thread.

You hit the nail on the head with Peter Waters illneess and Artist Cloutiers sheer craziness.

Now she's post as Perry Jones from the seme city as her 9 other alia's, Phenix City, Al.

All they want to do is spread misinformation.

From weak minds come weak strategies.

Hello "Craig",
While I do appreciate your concern that someone is posting as "me", I assure you that "I" am "I".
While I don't know Artist Cloutier personally, I do think that she is not the kind of person to maliciously imitate others on forums. There are enough folks doing that, right "Craig" (or Carla, Thomas PhD, etc).
What sort of meds are you on, "Craig"?

Don't know about anyone else on this forum, but I guess is GN (Geoffrey Nase) doesn't come on this forum to disavow(sp?) and discredit all these hateful and malicious posts by his followers, then I'll just have to agree with Peter that they are all one and the same.
To me, as a pharmacist, one of the most lowly acts one can commit is making fun of, or deriding another for using medicines to (hopefully) improve their quality of life.
You know, "Craig", that anyone with any scientific education surely knows that conditions that require use of antipsychotics or antidepressants, etc, are inherited. Now, that is not to say that these ridiculous allegations are true.
So, "craig", as I asked "marla", "what do you do for a living?" and how do you know the personal medical history of Artist so well?
Waiting for your answer, "craig" and also waiting for GN to come on her an post.
Perry

Hi "Craig"
I really appreciate you're trying to protect me but its not necessary.
I don't need, nor want help from someone who posts such hateful and malicious allegations as you (you must be related to "carla"!)
How is it that you know the medicines that Artist is on anyway? How do you "seem" to know about her history? Could these allegations be pure lies?

Tell you what: I am forced to assume that all these inflammatory posts ("craig, carla, thomas, etc) are from the same person unless that person who all these "supporters" are trying to represent comes on this forum to discredit and disavow the hateful posts. This is my decision and subsequent posts on my part will reflect accordingly.

Any person who mocks or makes fun of someone on medicines such as antipsychotics or antidepressants would have NO scientific or medical training, as any moron would know these treat largely medical conditions GENETIC in nature.
Nothing to be ashamed of anyway. What meds are you on?
Like I asked "carla", what is your background in science or medicine?
Waiting for an answer from Both yourself and Geoffrey Nase.
Perry Jones

perryjones wrote:

Hi Peter.
Nice to see a familiar face again. I haven't been active on the boards in a while. To my knowledge, not much going on in the rosacea arena(or at least not much that will affect we "rosaceans" in the near future I am sure).
Speaking of "rosaceans", what ever happened to Brady Barrows?
Yes, seems to be a bunch of silliness (sp?) and nonsense going on. We've been through this before, though, haven't we?
Regards,
Perry

Hello Perry

Maybe you can bring some sense on this Forum because some of the stuff Nase is posting is just total lies and complete mumbo jumbo. Yes nothing new there and that’s why he was kicked off the RF. Do you remember how mad he was especially as he kept on getting caught out trying to worm his way back on as various guests and fake members names.

Yes I think Brady is still banging away on the RF but at least his own struggling Forum has more real members than the graveyard RKF, which Nase claims is his but is actually run by VHS.

Why does Nase keep on thinking you are a woman called Artist when it’s obvious it’s you? Nase really is losing the plot but I suppose it’s been progressive for many years now and has now climaxed.

Anyway you seem to be tying the resident genius in knots over his qualifications LOL I bet he tries to keep well away from you now.

Thanks

Peter

Peter,
Well, I don't know that all these posters (clara, thomas, etc.) are fake. Seems strange though, that none are REGISTERED.
Anyway, if they're 'real' then I think Geoff will come on the clarify the situation. If he does not come on and do this, that I have no choice than to beieve what you have been expousing - which is that all these posters are in fact GN.
I am not trying to get involved with this or start another internet rosacea war. Its just the tone I have been seeing is basically: "GN, please back up your claims". Reasonable enough.
But instead of a post by GN, we are met with a hateful post by a "supporter" which goes something like: "everyone knows youre an imbecile drug using adulter" (this to whoever asked the question).
Get my drift? Something just aint right here.
One the other side, I have a hard time believing that someone with a PhD would get all the facts wrong (e.g. "medical doctorate"). I mean, I've never seen so much rubbish as has been posted here by so-called GN "supporters".
Wow.
Perry

If u notice in the long winded post by thomas phd dr. Nase once again accidently starts using I instead of dr nase, then he goes back to the third person in refering to himself.

Case is definitely closed on this one.

Artist Cloutier is now Perry Jones again and two other people. She at least changed her city location so that 12 people did not reside in Phenix City, AL. That was just plain dumb.

So now Artist and Peter are just talking back and forth to each other to try to change the subject and muddy the waters. Artist writes the same exact way. Not these guessing games on certain words, but the same structure and the same strange wording.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Everybody just needs to read the very first post by Dr. Tom.