Homeopathy as an aid to conventional medicine

It's good to hear that people are starting to look toward holistic medicine. It can work really well when used in conjunction with some "Western" medicines. Some illnesses can be totally managed with holistics alone.

I'm glad to see that there is more of an interest in alternative medicines such as homeopathy. Now, if only the health insurance companies would pay for these services, it would encourage people such as myself to utilize them more often.

Thank you for a positive article on homeopathy. I do mostly natural methods to maintain my good health and rely on traditional western medicine mainly for diagnostic and emergency care. Please, air more articles about this because more and more people are getting sicker and sicker as each year passes. We cannot go on like this with 1 in 3 getting cancer for example.

Homeopathy is fake, guys. Do the math. If you are paying for it, you are getting conned.

It's water. Literally, ONLY water.

"But it works!" exactly the same as water, because it is ONLY water.

If homeopathy ACTUALLY worked, then every drop of water on this entire planet would be so contaminated with "medicine" as to make it all undrinkable.

The typical "homeopathic" treatment breaks down to one drop of medicine in a pool of water more than 1000x the size of the Earth.

And here you are shilling out $ for it.

Suckers!

Nuggin wrote:

Homeopathy is fake, guys. Do the math. If you are paying for it, you are getting conned.
It's water. Literally, ONLY water.
"But it works!" exactly the same as water, because it is ONLY water.
If homeopathy ACTUALLY worked, then every drop of water on this entire planet would be so contaminated with "medicine" as to make it all undrinkable.
The typical "homeopathic" treatment breaks down to one drop of medicine in a pool of water more than 1000x the size of the Earth.
And here you are shilling out $ for it.
Suckers!

Not exactly true. There will always be people who con others, but there are many wonderful herbal and homeopathic remedies for many illnesses and diseases.

The clinic I worked in helped many people... they are an intergrative medical office. The docs are MDs and they try to treat homeopathically when possible, but will treat with "traditional" meds when necessary.

They see alot of people with different cancers. The doctors never discouraged traditional treatment, but would supplement with homeopathic remedies to help boost the immune system and such, and offer different vitamins and minerals to take in a pill form, as well as IV treatments, if you couldn't take pills.

Shellikins wrote:

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Not exactly true. There will always be people who con others, but there are many wonderful herbal and homeopathic remedies for many illnesses and diseases.
The clinic I worked in helped many people... they are an intergrative medical office. The docs are MDs and they try to treat homeopathically when possible, but will treat with "traditional" meds when necessary.
They see alot of people with different cancers. The doctors never discouraged traditional treatment, but would supplement with homeopathic remedies to help boost the immune system and such, and offer different vitamins and minerals to take in a pill form, as well as IV treatments, if you couldn't take pills.

All homeopathic "remedies" contain NOTHING BUT WATER.

What #c remedies were you handing out? 100? 200? Even at 50c, it's JUST WATER.

If you charged people money for this "medicine" then you were a part of this con job. You should be ashamed of yourself.

They were dispensed at different levels... Vit B, Vit C, magnesium, etc. I haven't worked there in almost a year, so I don't remember all the specifics. We did chelation therapy as well as supplementation. I've seen the blood test results, so I know what we did was working.

It wasn't water, despite what you think. You've never been to the clinic I worked at, so you wouldn't know.

While I wasn't the one actually administering treatment, I've helped prep some of the IV bags. I mostly worked in the lab, and most of my patients told me that they'd seen "normal" doctors who couldn't figure out what was wrong with them, which is why they'd go to our facility. Our docs would sit down with them and go over their medical histories thoroughly. Most MDs are pushed to get their patients in and out, turning medical care into piecework. Our docs set up a minimum of 1/2 hour for a follow up and an hour for an initial consult. Most docs, you get 15 mins if you're lucky. How can anyone really find out what's wrong in that short time?

I'm sorry you were conned, there are dishonest people everywhere, but the place I worked at was on the up and up. They've been around for over 20 years... I think if people were being conned, if they were just getting water in their IVs, they'd be out of business by now and the doctor wouldn't have his license. It's a private practice, the same doc that opened the place is still practicing there.

As someone who's worked in a traditional medical office and in this integrative care environment, I can honestly say that I've heard more complaints from the traditional offices than in the integrative office.

Shellikins wrote:

They were dispensed at different levels... Vit B, Vit C, magnesium, etc. I haven't worked there in almost a year, so I don't remember all the specifics.

I doubt you knew the specifics in the first place, otherwise you would know it's a con.

Shellikins wrote:

We did chelation therapy as well as supplementation.

Chelation fares no better than placebo in double blind studies AND has negative interactions with drugs.

So, NO upside, big downside.

Shellikins wrote:

I've seen the blood test results, so I know what we did was working.

At exactly the same rate as placebo.

Shellikins wrote:

It wasn't water, despite what you think. You've never been to the clinic I worked at, so you wouldn't know.

A typical homepathic remedy is 100c, or 1ccs of medicine in 10^200ccs of water.

How much is 10^200ccs of water? Well, if it were all in one place, it would be about 2x the size of the Milky Way Galaxy.

Into that giant ball of water you add one cubic centimeter of "medicine" and expect it to have an effect.

Do the math.

Shellikins wrote:

most of my patients told me that they'd seen "normal" doctors who couldn't figure out what was wrong with them, which is why they'd go to our facility. Our docs would sit down with them and go over their medical histories thoroughly.

I'm sure that was very nice for them.

However, after listening to all their problems, your "doctors" would hand them a vial of water and charge them money.

Shellikins wrote:

I'm sorry you were conned, there are dishonest people everywhere, but the place I worked at was on the up and up.

I've not been conned by homeopaths because I can do simple math.

Shellikins wrote:

They've been around for over 20 years...

So 20 years of con jobs means they are now legit?

Shellikins wrote:

I think if people were being conned, if they were just getting water in their IVs, they'd be out of business by now and the doctor wouldn't have his license.

And you would be wrong.

The placebo effect is a real effect. If I opened up shop across the street from your "clinic" and chatted with patients, then sold them tictacs for $10 a pill, I'd have the EXACT SAME success rate.

Shellikins wrote:

I can honestly say that I've heard more complaints from the traditional offices than in the integrative office.

Yes, the people you are stealing from are happy that you are doing it. Doesn't make it right.

Do the math.

Seriously.

Nuggin wrote:

Homeopathy is fake, guys. Do the math. If you are paying for it, you are getting conned.
It's water. Literally, ONLY water.
"But it works!" exactly the same as water, because it is ONLY water.
If homeopathy ACTUALLY worked, then every drop of water on this entire planet would be so contaminated with "medicine" as to make it all undrinkable.
The typical "homeopathic" treatment breaks down to one drop of medicine in a pool of water more than 1000x the size of the Earth.
And here you are shilling out $ for it.
Suckers!

You seem to be one of those "professional" bloggers...

Nuggin wrote:

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I doubt you knew the specifics in the first place, otherwise you would know it's a con.
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Chelation fares no better than placebo in double blind studies AND has negative interactions with drugs.
So, NO upside, big downside.
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At exactly the same rate as placebo.
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A typical homepathic remedy is 100c, or 1ccs of medicine in 10^200ccs of water.
How much is 10^200ccs of water? Well, if it were all in one place, it would be about 2x the size of the Milky Way Galaxy.
Into that giant ball of water you add one cubic centimeter of "medicine" and expect it to have an effect.
Do the math.
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I'm sure that was very nice for them.
However, after listening to all their problems, your "doctors" would hand them a vial of water and charge them money.
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I've not been conned by homeopaths because I can do simple math.
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So 20 years of con jobs means they are now legit?
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And you would be wrong.
The placebo effect is a real effect. If I opened up shop across the street from your "clinic" and chatted with patients, then sold them tictacs for $10 a pill, I'd have the EXACT SAME success rate.
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Yes, the people you are stealing from are happy that you are doing it. Doesn't make it right.
Do the math.
Seriously.

It seems you have 100% faith in the broken, symptom-management, sick-care practice that currently passes for "modern medicine". I hope you never get seriously ill.

Dean wrote:

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It seems you have 100% faith in the broken, symptom-management, sick-care practice that currently passes for "modern medicine". I hope you never get seriously ill.

I don't care if the current medical establishment is 100% wrong about everything.

It doesn't change the fact that people selling homeopathic treatments are CON MEN.

It's JUST water. Literally.

A typical homeopathic treatment is a 100c dilution.

That means you take 1 cc of "medicine" and add it to 100 cc's of pure water.(1% solution = 1c)

"cc" is cubic centimeter, it's one centimeter x one centimeter x one centimeter.

You then mix that solution, draw out 1 cc of that solution and add it to 100cc of pure water.(.1% solution = 2c)

You keep doing that until you reach 100c, or (and I'm going to have to break this number into segments to fit it).00000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000001%

I seriously doubt that you grasp the nature of that number.

that's 99 zeros, that's the dilution leave of 100ccs of homeopathic medicine.

If you were EXTREMELY lucky, that vial of medicine could contain ONE MOLECULE of the original "medicine".

More likely than not, it would have lost all the "medicine" somewhere in the 50-60th dilution.

In other words, in the ENTIRE VIAL of "cure" there is not ONE SINGLE MOLECULE of the "medicine" which is supposedly causing the cure.

It's PURE water. Nothing more.

Just to clarify, it was US, the women in the clinic, who drew the needed solutions from the vials into the IV bags, we didn't receive them pre-made from the distributer.

Shelley wrote:

Just to clarify, it was US, the women in the clinic, who drew the needed solutions from the vials into the IV bags, we didn't receive them pre-made from the distributer.

So, you didn't get the water from a distributor, instead you used the water you had in house.

STILL water.

Is the patient sure that is cancer was cured with homeopathy? I wonder what remedies the homeopath prescribed for him.

Sanjib Sarkar
blog.hmedicine.com

Sanjib Sarkar wrote:

Is the patient sure that is cancer was cured with homeopathy? I wonder what remedies the homeopath prescribed for him.
Sanjib Sarkar
blog.hmedicine.com

No cancer has ever been cured by homeopathy. It's WATER.

Conventional, alternative or complementary is as per see.

A person who prefers, let's say homeopathy, as a first line of treatment, conventional/allopathy is an alternative medicine for him.

Likewise a person who took conventional/allopathy as first line of treatment, other forms of treatment are comlementary/alternative.

Nuggin wrote:

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No cancer has ever been cured by homeopathy. It's WATER.

O.K. aquaman. You have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are a "plant" from one or more of the major pharmaceutical companies. Nice try though.

Truth Defender wrote:

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O.K. aquaman. You have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are a "plant" from one or more of the major pharmaceutical companies. Nice try though.

Actually, I'm a screenwriter and an archaeologist.

I don't care if pharm companies make money, lose money or break even.

What I care about is the fact that con men like yourself are advocating magic as a cure all.

I notice that you decided to try and attack me rather than supply proof to the contrary. Nice tactic.

Let's try this again:

Homeopathy is NOTHING BUT WATER.

Care to offer evidence to the contrary?