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Henry thanks for sharing ... do you now if the dr. stayed away from your bladder neck during the surgery as I have gather from researching that this is the key to the RE.
At least it has gone antegrade maybe not like it was though yet. I was reading on another site that taking semenex would help with volume. sudafed in high dosages and semenx.... sudafed more than 2 makes me way to wired. I do hope in time it goes antegrade. If any one else has had the dr. stay away from the bladder neck and got RE and in time went antegrade please share. I'm glad I found this blog Thanks H |
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Yes I agree. Had mine at 9AM nov 15, 2011. Left hospital without catheter by 2:#)PM same day, and I was out taking photos, and window shopping (as I had my PVP inter state private hospital). |
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RETROGRADE EJECULATION
The loss of the bladderneck muscle during PVP (and other non Laser procedures such as TURP), is the cause of antegrade ejeculation. BPH is caused by enlargement of the LATERAL, and MEDIAN lobes of the prostate. The bladdernech muscle lies beneath the MEDIAN lobe. Therefore those who suffer BPH, and have only Lateral lobe enlargement, are those patients you hear retain antegrade ejeculation. I had both lateral and (gross)median lobe enlargement. So I am not surprised that PVP left me with RE. I have had my post PVP appointment but was unable to discuss this further with surgeon because he was unfortunately away ill on the day of my consulatation. Here is an observation. The quantity of the clear pre ejeculation fluid coming out seems to have increased. I have heard that this is a precursor to regaining antegrade ejeculation. Fingers crossed (and legs crossed too????) |
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Green Light waste of time. 2 mo out everything 95%
BACK TO PRE SURGERY PROBLEMS.Regular urologist could not tell it was done by any tests he preformed. last wed. Did all Flo, residual DRE Etc. never told I had Op. states I need to have it done. Still does not know. NUTS? I have a NON involved true evaluation. |
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Is there any one who had green light laser and retro grade ejaculation and in time has normal ejaculation ante grade. I am 1month 10 days post greenlight and I have anegrade ejaculation dry orgasm no evidence in the urine.
I had a big concern about this before the surgery and went to the Mayo clinic to have the surgery performed. My doctor was fully aware of my concern and stated that he stayed away from my bladderneck and the fibers over it. I do not now if the laser damaged the ejaculation ducts. If some one has had a procedure like mine (avoided of the bladder neck) had retro grade at first and then in time had the luck to have antegrade/normal ejaculation .....do share. I am trying find a rough estimate of time if this can heal in time or if it is a permanent situation/condition. I need to hear a success story. From all the research I have been doing there isn't anything to reverse the condition. I'm hoping I will heal healthy and not have this condition. thanks for any help and I wish you all good health. H |
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The Dr.said he was aware of the problem and will do what he can to avoid this side effect. He was not specific about how he was going to avoid the retrograde. |
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Check my profile With input on Mayo Jax. Fl.. I walked out when I determined they were Lying about Exp. of the surgeon in Sep 2011. I was to be done in morning.
I was told he was well past learning curve by manufactures standards. That are Minimum of 50. Doc had apox 10. This for 80 Plus Grain prostate. Is that like apox. 10 acres that the survey says is 4 ?? |
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izm suppose to schedule this surgery next 2 3 weeks scared to death they want to do a biopsy somthing growing on bladder and postate is this painful long lasting etc etc then while in there green laser the postate each sid to make larger rethrol foreasier flow should i do the first not the second procedure biopsy for cancer test but dont know about green laser procedure iam 74 years old ?????? iam at wildchief52@yahoo.com
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am afraid of green laser need to schdule going to do biopsy on protate and bladder is this ok and not painful cab do this but laser scares me and ive read some mens comments in your literature dont sound to good
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I had Prostate BIOPSY in September. This is routine procedure to eliminate prostate cancer as cause of high PSA levels in a person. BPH also causes elevated PSA levels. I can assure you the BIOPSY was a breeze. One minute I am wheeled into the room to be administered anathestetic, the next ... I awoke .. and it was all over. Just stay away from ejeculation for 3 weeks if you want to avoid blood in your semen.
Had PVP Greenlight on Nov 15, 2011. Again, this was a breeze. Surgery at 9AM, and I was out of hospital, and sightseeing, by 14:30. The burning sensation during urination lasted all day on day of surgery, but was gone when I woke up next day. I currently have RETROGRADE ejeculation although the clear liquid, pre ejeculate, seems to be increasing in quantity, when I orgasm. I had asked the surgeon to do what he can to lety me retain ANTEGRADE ejeculation, and he said he would do what he can. He was honest in saying that he tell his patients that RETROGRADE ejeculation is 100% even though there are patients who either do not suffer this, or regain it over time. I am up to the 3 month post surgery period. This is still too early to expect regaining my normal (antegrade) ejeculation if I am ever to get it back. I have heard various time frames for it to come back (no guarantee it will and it is different in every guy). A useful guide would be 12mths to 18mths - i.e. when your normal ejeculation will return. LASER surgery gives the QUICKEST recovery time. I was back to running 2 weeks after surgery. The only time when thetre was blood in the urine was on the day of surgery. By the morning after the surgery, I couldn't see blood in the urine. By day 30, my urine was completely blood free after my runs. Generally, the younger the patient, the quicker the recovery. I was EXTREMELY NERVOUS before my biposy in Sept, and my PVP in Nov. That is NORMAL and UNDERSTANDABLE!!!!!! Looking back, both procedures were a BREEZE! |
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Hugh, I think you had a typo. DRY orgasm = RETROGRADE ejeculation. Wet orgasm = ANTEGRADE ejeculation.
Have you read your surgeon's report?" What does it say about your LATERAL & MEDIAN LOBE of your prostate? |
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evans Biop. no problem.I Have had 6 at this point over 10 yrs. Greenlight some good, some bad, mine was bad done 12/13/11. Yesterday Doc wants to go back in 1st for pressure tests?? whatever that is. week later do second for cysto look around. Determine why, I don't go any better than before OP.
Refused for 8 weeks till I come off Vacation trying to do Australia, before winter sets in. |
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Dwight , thanks for the reply.. my dr. talked with me a few weeks ago and i spoke with a co dr. of his. I will try and speak with the other dr. soon, as he had more time to talk. my dr. is the one in high demand.
I will ask again about the median lobe. I too am active and I just turned 47 so I'm impatient is all. If my retro returns to normal I will be very pleased as the whole procedure has not been a big deal.... and completely emptying my bladder a joy. I found another blog mobu and read more and quite a few guys wrote having the retro reverse anywhere from 8months to a year plus. So I feel a bit more optimistic now ...I just can't stand the dry/ anegrade grade ejaculation ..the drs. said when there is no evidence dry...it's called anegrade. antegrade is normal and what I want to return. my greenlight was done end of Dec. 2011 so your 6weeks earlier. I'll check back ...to hear of any improvements. all the best . good day mate |
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100% retro now hope it comes back is weird.
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Lou,
I'm scheduled for a PVP with spinal in two weeks. I just wondered how long it took to regain the ability to walk after the spinal. I'm anticipating this being ambulatory and the procedure should take about a half hour. I am hoping to go home with a catheter. But I would like to know how long did it take for the spinal to wear off, to the point where you regained feeling in your legs and could get up and walk? Thanks.
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Dennis,
I am 65 and scheduled for the PVP in 13 days. I had the TUMT almost 2 years ago after a complete retention and catherization of 1400cc's of urine at the ER. I learned to catherize myself and have had to do so about a half dozen times in the last 2 years. I have been on flomax for a few months again this time and it again has gotten less effective. My PVR is about 200cc and a cat scan measured my prostate as slightly larger than a regulation baseball,(somewhere around 150 grams?). About 1/4 of the prostate is encroaching on my bladder. I am going for the PVP in 13 days and will be under spinal rather than general anesthesia. Presently I have a weak stream and am up anywhere from once to 5 or 6 times at night. Sometimes I experience a transitory retention in the early morning. It seems certain foods (spicy, Italian, hard cheeses, red wine) aggravate my bladder making the nocturia worse, but it's inconsistent. I'll keep my fingers crossed I have as good an experience as you did. Thanks for posting and giving me some hope.
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PVP was a breeze for me when I had it on Nov 15, 2011. I left the hospital, catheter-free, 5 hours after surgery. |
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Dwight,
Thanks for the reply. How are you now? How was the recuperation period? Thanks, Bob
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Strange day today. Was scheduled for the Green light PVP at 7AM this morning. Got through pre-op fine when they noticed my BP had spiked to 217/115. Tried to relax and it went higher to 238/135. The anesthesiologist cancelled the procedure and wanted to put me in the ER but I refused and signed out AMA (against Medical Advice). Got home, had coffee and a full breakfast and took a flomax. Checked my own BP a half dozen times during the day and it was 140/80 the whole rest of the day. I am thinking I screwed up by not taking my Flomax the last two dayss. I thought I wouldn't need it anymore. It must have caused my BP to spike. Other weird thing I noticed after reviewing my own records today was that from last Oct to this Feb my PSA rose from 5.5 to 8.9. Also checked the mass of my prostate based on a November UltraSound, and January Catscan with contrast. A formula for prostate mass I have seen is height x width x length x pi/6.(pi/6 is roughly .5). Multiplying the ultrasound and catscan measurements gives me a November volume of 106 g. and a January volume 10 weeks later of 203 g. Will see an internist tomorrow.
Can't see proceeding with the GL until I get an answer of how my prostate could double in size in 10 weeks. |
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Wow, Google can really provide some good info. I found this 2003 article in the International Journal of Radiation Oncology that says Cat scans are found to consistently overestimate prostate volume by 50% compared to Ultrasound measurements.
http://www.redjournal.org/article/S0360-3016 (03)00509-1/abstract "Conclusion: A strong correlation was found between CT scan and TRUS measurement of the prostate volume; however, CT consistently overestimated the prostate volume by approximately 50% compared with TRUS." Based on this my January prostate volume should be around 137 g. rather than 206 g. |
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