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American Infidel

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Feb 4, 2009
 

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IT would be nice if those who like to breathe could once again on the 4th and New Years. The present fireworks policy is selfish and inconsiderate.Ban all fireworks for public purchase and use in Hawaii please.
Why stop there? Why don't we just ban everything that bothers you?

BANNINGS = NAZISM
Susanne von Dach

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The main question concerning fireworks is whether people are absolutely free to do what they want, even if that hurts somebody else, and whether the substances of fireworks are toxic or not. If they are toxic – and they definitely are – then the only logic consequence is to ban fireworks! http://www.stop-fireworks.org/high_concentrat...
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Just because some unhealthy, hazardous, obnoxious, or otherwise undesirable or environmentally / socially / economically destructive practices exist somewhere in the world doesn't mean that all or any other such practices should continue just because they have been. Slavery, sufferage (voting for women), racism anyone?
Some point to automobiles (cars, trucks, buses, aircraft, etc.), to Kilauea and other sources. These are the same people that in a manner without regard for the consequences of unconscious living such as driving an automobile often, living 20+ miles from a place of frequent work or education, smoking, consumption of animal based foods (meat), wasteful use of energy and resources in general.
Most will challenge some or all of the above, but it's a fact that the choices of individuals to engage in such behaviors makes it more difficult for everyone to live free of physical / emotional health challenges. The results of animal consumption are known to cause the most extreme environmental and health problems of all because it involves transportation, packaging, and often long term freezing of the flesh on a scale unlike anything else, worldwide - all very energy intensive and interdependent on many levels.
All of the above cause consequences that affect the lives of us all, yet those that practice these behaviors claim personal freedom while others that choose to respect themselves and others are forced to endure the consequences of these unfortunate choices.
Please consider what I have stated above before replying in hostility thinking somebody is stepping on "your" rights. How many people's and animals basic rights to clean air, water, food, general health and right to life are you stepping on by clinging to your ways?
Smoke and noise hater

Honolulu, HI

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Feb 5, 2009
 
Some person: great commentary! Wish I could have known you.
Smoke and noise hater

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Feb 5, 2009
 
American Infidel wrote:
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Why stop there? Why don't we just ban everything that bothers you?
BANNINGS = NAZISM
I bet if someone burned down your house, it would bother you. But according to your logic, we shouldn't ban arson? Yeah?
American Infidel

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Feb 5, 2009
 
Smoke and noise hater wrote:
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I bet if someone burned down your house, it would bother you. But according to your logic, we shouldn't ban arson? Yeah?
LOL!! Now you're attempting to piggyback fireworks onto arson just to further your Stalinist, anti-firework agenda? Hilarious. The fact is the vast majority of locals LOVE fireworks and any politician who pushes to ban them will be committing political suicide.

Why do you think it hasn't been banned yet?? Hmmmm??
American Infidel

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Feb 5, 2009
 
HNLCSI wrote:
Is is my imagination or are the lower economic areas of the island the smokiest and noiseist each fire works holiday?
It is your imagination, I don't live in a lower economic area and my neighborhood was the smokiest and noisiest I've ever seen it. WOOHOO!!

Here's a thought, if you don't like the smoke and noise buy some earplugs and an air-conditioner and stay indoors instead of trying to ruin New Year's Eve for the vast majority of locals who love it.
American Infidel

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Feb 5, 2009
 
JAFOS wrote:
Fire works should be voted on by voters and be done with. Perhaps allowed only in the rainy season.
That's a good idea because 95% will vote Yea.
American Infidel

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Feb 5, 2009
 
Yea for fireworks, Nay for a ban, that is.
Freedom of choice

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Feb 5, 2009
 
HNLCSI wrote:
I hope to be building a home on Hawaii Loa Ridge soon and the motivating factor for this finantial streatch.....NO FIREWORKS ALLOWED!!!
perfect! if you're moving to hawaii loa, then no need for the ban.

of course your misspelling of the word "stretch" makes me doubt the veracity of your claim :-P

what street is your lot on?
Peggy Handley

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Feb 5, 2009
 
I live right across the street from Universal Studios in Orlando, FL. I have fought this cause with them and their fireworks displays for the past five years, to no avail. Only the City has jurisdiction in these matters, and we who reside across the way are not within the city limits. The state has virtually NO power to impose on the City Fire Marshall, who is backed by her Chief to seemingly allow Universal to do whatever they want for the sake of money (taxes). I have even tried to change the laws at the state level, but hard to do when your state representative (Steven Precourt) won't even return your calls!! Our polititians are pathetic.

THANK YOU for writing articles such as this, for the potential good of all. And, please know there are people who believe in your cause and champion your attempts to clean up our air and protect the weak from harm. You are the one who is patriotic, not the ignorant masses who just want their "fix" come the end of the day.

Sincerely,
Peggy Handley
Orlando, FL
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Feb 6, 2009
 
Well, GL, it's not going to change in Hawaii...some traditions are deeply rooted in culture, and banning is not the right answer.

Hey I'm open to compromise. In fact there's always compromise, but if you want to outright ban it, forget it. Move out of the state in my honest opinion.
Freedom of choice

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Feb 8, 2009
 
some person wrote:
Just because some unhealthy, hazardous, obnoxious, or otherwise undesirable or environmentally / socially / economically destructive practices exist somewhere in the world doesn't mean that all or any other such practices should continue just because they have been. Slavery, sufferage (voting for women), racism anyone?
Some point to automobiles (cars, trucks, buses, aircraft, etc.), to Kilauea and other sources. These are the same people that in a manner without regard for the consequences of unconscious living such as driving an automobile often, living 20+ miles from a place of frequent work or education, smoking, consumption of animal based foods (meat), wasteful use of energy and resources in general.
Most will challenge some or all of the above, but it's a fact that the choices of individuals to engage in such behaviors makes it more difficult for everyone to live free of physical / emotional health challenges. The results of animal consumption are known to cause the most extreme environmental and health problems of all because it involves transportation, packaging, and often long term freezing of the flesh on a scale unlike anything else, worldwide - all very energy intensive and interdependent on many levels.
All of the above cause consequences that affect the lives of us all, yet those that practice these behaviors claim personal freedom while others that choose to respect themselves and others are forced to endure the consequences of these unfortunate choices.
Please consider what I have stated above before replying in hostility thinking somebody is stepping on "your" rights. How many people's and animals basic rights to clean air, water, food, general health and right to life are you stepping on by clinging to your ways?
In case you didn't bother to read, this is the translation.

foo is equating fireworks with slavery, not letting women vote and racism. what drivel is this?

then foo goes on to talk about driving to work 20 miles away is a bad idea. welcome to reality where living in hawaii is expensive.

them treehugga talks about eating meat being bad and freezing the meat is wasteful.

i think the hippie should keep smoking buds and go back to the forest. hug more trees and write poetry. heha.

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