California's Real Death Panels Exposed: Insurers Deny 21% of Claims

Facts are lost on fools.

Until there is a single payer health plan, these things will continue to happen.

vote everyone out who won't vote for a single payer health care system.

Maybe this was the Death Panel that Sarah Palin was talking about.

FredUAW wrote:

Maybe this was the Death Panel that Sarah Palin was talking about.

The proposed "panel of experts"... if it is realized...will reject a percentage of clains much higher than what is in this article!!

ladydi wrote:

<quoted text>The proposed "panel of experts"... if it is realized...will reject a percentage of clains much higher than what is in this article!!

Do you have any facts to back up that claim? A source? The "panel of experts" won't be looking at individual claims. They will be evaluating treatment protocols and deciding which will be covered and which won't based on effectiveness. Insurance companies already have their list of what they will cover and what they won't, but they have people whose only job is figuring out ways to cheat their clients out of benefits which are rightfully theirs and they paid for.

gee.. imagine if our President tried to stop this... maybe, I don't know, have a single payer gov't run system that would not be run by for profit COE's..... geee what a thought!

The GOP and the health care ins co's have so screwed up the USA

i'm embarrassed by it all

ladydi wrote:

<quoted text>The proposed "panel of experts"... if it is realized...will reject a percentage of clains much higher than what is in this article!!

Here is the right wing already with their psychic predictions of how bad a nonexistent panel will be in the futre.They will be so bad that they will be "worse then we have now". Now go back and read those stats one more time then cvome back here and explain to everybody why you are defending the insurance companies.

Furthermore, Medicare already has their treatment protocols set up by experts. A Medicare recpient can't just go into the doctor and request any procedure or drug they want because their friend got it. They must have a certain diagnosis with a certain level of symptoms which requires that procedure or drug. That is the sort of thing the panel of experts will be working on. An updated version taking into consideration new technology and effectivenss of previously approved treatments or drugs. A master list of what works and what doesn't for what purpose so we don't waste money on ineffective treatment and have more for effective treatment.

Governmental ObamaCare= Final Death Panel

Congressional Healthcare = American Healthcare

We want the SAME healthcare as Congress-no more, no less...what's good enough for Congressional healthcare is good enough for OUR kids.

US Healthcare = the BEST healthcare

US population 304 MILLION
France population 62 MILLION
England 61 MILLION
Canada 31 MILLION
Switzerland 7 MILLION

We have MORE people receiving great care...while thesether socialized nations have LESS people and LONGER waits!!!!

we have SUPERIOR healthcare..and we service more people!

Be glad you live in the US...WE have the best healthcare.

Congressional Healthcare=American Healthcare

If Congress has to participate then we KNOW they won't screw us.

Vote out democrats who seek to dilute, water down, poison the best healthcare in the world.

False claims should be denied. That is how you stop fraud and abuse.

swampmudd wrote:

<quoted text>Here is the right wing already with their psychic predictions of how bad a nonexistent panel will be in the futre.They will be so bad that they will be "worse then we have now". Now go back and read those stats one more time then cvome back here and explain to everybody why you are defending the insurance companies.

With good insurance companies (not Kaiser) there is still a chance at receiving good health care...it helps if you are able to pay for the indemnity version as there is a lot more latitude. The people who would make the decisions with the proposed heathcare will not have to deny any claim!...by the time you would get taken care of, it will be too late...too little, too late!! Just like a telephone you don't want to answer...after a while it will just stop ringing!

ladydi wrote:

<quoted text>The proposed "panel of experts"... if it is realized...will reject a percentage of clains much higher than what is in this article!!

Did Limbaugh tell you that?
Then guess what? It's a LIE. Limbaugh is a lying, dope addled whoremaster. Sorry.

What 'panel of experts?'

swampmudd wrote:

<quoted text>Here is the right wing already with their psychic predictions of how bad a nonexistent panel will be in the futre.They will be so bad that they will be "worse then we have now". Now go back and read those stats one more time then cvome back here and explain to everybody why you are defending the insurance companies.

Mr_Bill suspects that it is olny two or three individuals, with many different 'handles' and isp's.

Except Jones. He is truly an individual cut-and-past nut.

Best health care if you are rich
If we do nothing the cost each month will be more than your mortgage or rent payments.
Keep the hospitals.doctors and nurses but why do we need the middleman
insurance companies? Save 30%

Mr_Bill wrote:

<quoted text>
Did Limbaugh tell you that?
Then guess what? It's a LIE. Limbaugh is a lying, dope addled whoremaster. Sorry.
What 'panel of experts?'

Limball didn't no 2day is JuneLie FOth.?:-0

ladydi wrote:

<quoted text>With good insurance companies (not Kaiser) there is still a chance at receiving good health care...it helps if you are able to pay for the indemnity version as there is a lot more latitude. The people who would make the decisions with the proposed heathcare will not have to deny any claim!...by the time you would get taken care of, it will be too late...too little, too late!! Just like a telephone you don't want to answer...after a while it will just stop ringing!

Another psychic prediction that tries to scare everybody by painting it with the worst nightmare possible,“it will be worse then it is now" My God, no not that, not worse then it is now. Say it isn’t so. Wait a minute, does your crystal ball have a crack in it or are prognosticating with Limbaugh’s butt again. Keep rubbing your hands on it and watch as it starts to glow. It is about to speak. FaaaAAAaaart. Oh tell us great mystic what did it say what did the sound mean? The great orifice has spoken and it said that “IT WILL BE WORSE THEN IT IS NOW”

ladydi wrote:

<quoted text>With good insurance companies (not Kaiser) there is still a chance at receiving good health care...it helps if you are able to pay for the indemnity version as there is a lot more latitude. The people who would make the decisions with the proposed heathcare will not have to deny any claim!...by the time you would get taken care of, it will be too late...too little, too late!! Just like a telephone you don't want to answer...after a while it will just stop ringing!

First you claimed there will be a panel of experts denying claims. Now you claim that your care will be delayed until you die. Scaremongering tactics with nothing to back it up.

Amazing. The status quo will kill us and/or render us poor. By us, I mean the middle and working classes. The ultra rich will do fine. There's no reason to worry, FOR THEM.

swampmudd wrote:

<quoted text>Another psychic prediction that tries to scare everybody by painting it with the worst nightmare possible,“it will be worse then it is now" My God, no not that, not worse then it is now. Say it isn’t so. Wait a minute, does your crystal ball have a crack in it or are prognosticating with Limbaugh’s butt again. Keep rubbing your hands on it and watch as it starts to glow. It is about to speak. FaaaAAAaaart. Oh tell us great mystic what did it say what did the sound mean? The great orifice has spoken and it said that “IT WILL BE WORSE THEN IT IS NOW”

Totally agree with your last few words in your quote!!

ladydi wrote:

<quoted text>Totally agree with your last few words in your quote!!

Another psychic prediction that tries to scare everybody by painting it with the worst nightmare possible,“it will be worse then it is now" My God, no not that, not worse then it is now. Say it isn’t so. Wait a minute, does your crystal ball have a crack in it or are you prognosticating with Limbaugh’s butt again. Keep rubbing your hands on it and watch as it starts to glow. It is about to speak. FaaaAAAaaart. Oh tell us great mystic what did it say, what did the sound mean? The Great Orifice has spoken and he said,“IT WILL BE WORSE THEN IT IS NOW” Danmmmm, does it always smell like that after the Great Orifice speaks. Man that is just plain rude. Does wanting to stand up wind from the Great Orifice made me a Liberal?

Algernon Sidney wrote:

False claims should be denied. That is how you stop fraud and abuse.

Excellent point. Obama SHOULD fight the medicare and medicaid FRAUD....save money.

If the government can't run these programs, can't stem the tide of fraud; then JUST IMAGINE the mess his ObamaCare will be!!!

Obama can turn it around by FIXING mEDICARE, MEDICAID, SOCIAL SECURITY, POST OFFICE, VA, IRS and.... Gulp!!! I'd vote for HIM!!!!

FIX what we have, the rest will fall into place.