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RIP Pleasure Beach wrote:

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Faith has no "evidence" written in stone either, but for many people it works.

I suppose in healthy situations it offers comfort and positive encouragement. What's your point? If were discussing a disease, as so many claim that addiction is, we should be looking at hard facts.

RIP Pleasure Beach wrote:

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Who honestly cares if there is a scientific theorem or a mathematical equation proving or disproving the success rate of people's beliefs?.

Not me. I was discussing the failure rate of AA in sobering up alcoholics shown by controlled studies, most significantly by George Vaillant of Harvard University who showed no success rate and a higher death rate that he himself called "appalling", yet still raved about how wonderful AA is. None of your question holds any relevence to anything I've said, you're completely side-stepping.

RIP Pleasure Beach wrote:

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There really is no way to measure the success rate of people in an anonymous program. AA itself has admitted that.

Yes there is, outside of the controlled studies there is the ratio to tokens given out for sobriety milestones. AA doesn't want the success rate actually measured because they have been lying about it since 1939. When Bill Wilson wrote the words "Rarely have we seen a person fail" there were at best three members that had stayed sober more than six months.

RIP Pleasure Beach wrote:

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But at the same time, people in AA do not worship Bill Wilson as a profit, that is just plain and simply WRONG.

Are you honestly telling me you've never heard an AA claim that Bill was divinely inspired when he wrote the Big Book or formed the cult? Why haven't the first 164 pages of the Big Book been updated since they were first written?

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Neither does AA fund any treatment centers. Again, just WRONG.

Again, pure side-step. I never said that AA funded treatment centers.

RIP Pleasure Beach wrote:

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You are just WRONG about a lot of things. I would never force AA on you so don't force your opinion on others and call it fact.

You have yet to dispute anything I've said, you've even resorted to making things up and claiming I said them so you can knock them down. Doesn't help your case. Try again.

The recovery place sucks the day your insurance runs out they throw you into some dingy halfway. Its an insurance scam John Cates the owner fucked a client only 4 months after she got out last year. Its horrible

AA is not a cult and twelve step fellowships work Headhunter is probably high right now writing all this shit. Maybe our brains as addicts are so messed up they need a fucking washing. AA asks nothing of us just that we help the next person who COMES TO US. we are not missionaries and I have two years sober and I am not a Christian at all but firm believer in AA which saved my life. But the

Ryan wrote:

The recovery place sucks the day your insurance runs out they throw you into some dingy halfway. Its an insurance scam John Cates the owner fucked a client only 4 months after she got out last year. Its horrible

Such is the case with many treatment centers that are nothing more than 12-step cult indoctrination facilities.

Ryan wrote:

AA is not a cult and twelve step fellowships work

Please post some evidence that 12-step programs, particularly AA, work to help people quit drinking. Not antecdotal evidence, but controlled studies. Show me even one where the result is people in AA recover at a higher rate than those who simply quit with no program. Lots of people parrot "AA works" but I'm waiting to see the claim backed up.

Ryan wrote:

Headhunter is probably high right now writing all this shit.

More cultish behavior. Anyone who disagrees with Bill Wilson's cult religion must be high, drunk or otherwise defective. Attacking me personally rather than dealing with my arguments is quite revealing.

Ryan wrote:

Maybe our brains as addicts are so messed up they need a fucking washing.

If, by your own admission, say your brain is messed up, why should I, or anyone else take anything you say seriously? You're also verifying that AA practices brainwashing, yet insist that it's not a cult? How can you have it both ways?

Ryan wrote:

AA asks nothing of us just that we help the next person who COMES TO US.

Largely via court-ordered attendance and treatment center indoctrination.

Ryan wrote:

we are not missionaries and I have two years sober and I am not a Christian at all but firm believer in AA which saved my life. But the

You saved your own life, AA only wants the credit for those that actually quit drinking, and puts the blame back on the individuals for the failures. This was quite a string of misinformation and denial.

Psychiatry has no evidence !

But One addict helping anouther works !

Anyone ever get a chemical imbalance test ?????

learn more about this scam called psychiatry @

www.cchr.org its a very radical site but very true.

psychiatry almost killed me. I NEVER heard anyone in any rehab or 12 step meeting say "I found the RIGHT MEDS and everthing is better now" only stories of looking for this MYTH and getting sicker !

Psychiatric disorders are not medical diseases. There are no lab tests, brain scans, X-rays or chemical imbalance tests that can verify any mental disorder is a physical condition. This is not to say that people do not get depressed, or that people can’t experience emotional or mental duress, but psychiatry has repackaged these emotions and behaviors as “disease” in order to sell drugs and mistreatment. This is a brilliant marketing campaign, but it is not science.

Read more >> http://www.cchr.org/quick-facts/introduction....

“No claim for a gene for a psychiatric condition has stood the test of time, in spite of popular misinformation.”—Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, Harvard Medical School psychiatrist

“….modern psychiatry has yet to convincingly prove the genetic/biological cause of any single mental illness.”—David Kaiser, psychiatrist

“In fourty years,‘biological’ psychiatry has yet to validate a single psychiatric condition/diagnosis as an abnormality/disease, or as anything ‘neurological,’‘biological,’‘c hemically-imbalanced’ or ‘genetic.’”—Dr. Fred Baughman Jr., child neurologist, Fellow of the American Academy of Neurology

http://www.cchr.org/quick-facts/no-genetic-pr...

12 step Meetings help, psychiatry is a scam.

Informed wrote:

“No claim for a gene for a psychiatric condition has stood the test of time, in spite of popular misinformation.”—Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, Harvard Medical School psychiatrist
“….modern psychiatry has yet to convincingly prove the genetic/biological cause of any single mental illness.”—David Kaiser, psychiatrist
“In fourty years,‘biological’ psychiatry has yet to validate a single psychiatric condition/diagnosis as an abnormality/disease, or as anything ‘neurological,’‘biological,’‘c hemically-imbalanced’ or ‘genetic.’”—Dr. Fred Baughman Jr., child neurologist, Fellow of the American Academy of Neurology
http://www.cchr.org/quick-facts/no-genetic-pr...
12 step Meetings help, psychiatry is a scam.

Another thinly-veiled Scientology front. Just another bat-sh*t crazy cult to avoid, they will only deplete you of all of your money and sanity. Is "auditing" because you're supposedly possessed by aliens really a healthy way to "fix" your mind? Disguising your damaging cult as legitimite medical science to entrap the weak is a really low, vile, despicible crime.

that good for everyone i had three year clean until my wife pass away i fell off please help me

joe adams wrote:

that good for everyone i had three year clean until my wife pass away i fell off please help me

Sorry to hear of your wife.

You're not powerless to stop. I recommend that you start with some sort of grief counseling. You said it yourself, that was your trigger and cause of your return to self-destructive behavior.
Second, if you're a former or current cult member of a 12-step religion, shake off the feelings of worthlessness forced on you and recognize that you're self-fulfilling their dire prophecies. One of the more dangerous elements of the cult is the status attributed to "time". It makes the relapses far more dangerous and destructive because you feel you've lost all of your status.
Third, open yourself up to the people around you that love you and are concerned. Not fellow cult members that say the answer to everything is get a sponsor, work the steps and read the big book...I mean your real family, your blood. Seek comfort and recognize the importance of these relationships in your life.
Your grief will get better with time. Take care of yourself.

I spent months in one of those alcohol rehab centers in California. Completion of the process is a bit difficult if you’re too much addicted, but what you’d get at the end, is worth bearing the pain. You’d feel what a normal person feels towards alcohol.

People should also beware of any narconon facilities. narconon is a front for the very dangerous scientology cult! They charge 30 grand a pop for scientology bullshit!

Unfortunately, I was in a program for my alcoholism and trusted everyone. Well, one of my sponsors got me drunk and we made love all night. Problem is it was another guy and that was my first experience with another man. I feel ashamed and have been drinking ever since.