Judge it!
Here's a good one for you.
BASSC drew up an IEP for my daughter swore she has ADHD, suggested meds meds and meds again.. etc... guess what? I took her to a pediatric neurologist ( after she was still failing, having problems, and the teachers were giving her answers because she wasnt working fast enough for them) and she actually has a form of Autism. Way to go Belleville BASSC.Wasted 2 years of my daughters life when I begged and pleaded for more assistance with testing and refused to put her on BASSC's favorite meds. Glad I didnt listen to you all and put her on Ritalin.Her neurologist said that would have been VERY bad. She also has 12th grade levels and capabilities in many areas.. yet the teachers and BASSC was too stupid and the testing too antiquated to catch it. Now she has specialized curiculum and NOT in public school.. and takes 2 college level courses.
If you have questions about diagnosis and etc.. go to a pediatric neurologist. Demand testing. Demand answers, dont just put your kid on meds because some pseudo professional ( teacher or BASSC) says its a good idea.
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Many kids with ADHD not getting required meds
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I am a 20 year veteran in education- i have seen it all. I have heard it all. Bith consitions are very real. They have always existed- noone put their finger on it til the last few years. Think back to when we were in school- rememnber the kid who just couldn't sit still and always got in trouble?? Chances are--- that kid had it,etc.
I have found it more common in boys, more common in boys with light hair and eyes. I would love to see if there is something there but no time for research. Just something i have noticed over the years. dark headed kids are not excluded mind you, but just strange how certain kids have things in common share many of the same physical traits. The real heartbreaker, though- and this is a true story: In the early 90's I was teaching a girl who had ADD- her mom was a doctor's asst. anmd refused to medicate her...i gave her music lessons and watched her struggle- her grades were always low, she had low self esteem, couldn't get it together, would follow a fly around a room for minutes-could not concentrate to save her life. For YEARS she had done this- i taught her since she was 5. FINALLY- her mom had had enough- she TRIED meds. Remember : if youn try them, adjust them right- and they WORK---youi need them. If they do nothing, you don't. But give it time. Within 2 months-this girl's grades were almost straight A's-she was smiling and felt successful- i only thought of all those years SHE struggled, her parents struggled, her grades suffered,etc. all because mom was too scared to try. This girl was NEVER a behavior problem. If it is your kid- you want to do whatever you can to help them. Try everything, but if you try something and find it works, why not? Find a doctor you trust-if it helps your child in all areas of importance to a kid--it is worth a try. we take meds as adults for all kinds of things-if it helps-there must be a reason. it is a big decision but worth it if it can save your child frustration and heartache. There is no time to waste. some kids ASK for help-they know something's up. Everyone is different, so please put your chikd first- you know them better than anyone, but meds are not bad if it is the RIGHT thing for YOUR child. |
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sorry for all the typos above- i need the nails done !!!! I really CAN spell!
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How about actually getting a real diagnosis rather than just doping kids? If youre a 20 yr educator perhaps you have heard what Ritalin and other stimulants can do to children on the Autism spectrum and other disorders that mimic aspects of add or adhd??? No? How about how many children originally diagnosed with add/adhd actually have disorders on the autism spectrum some with profound processing problems rather than the "attention problems" and "hyperactivity" of adhd? How many of those kids were set back several academic years due to doping suggested by educators and counselors? How many of those kids were pulled out of public school settings because irreparable damage was done to them from the widespread doping supported by uneducated educators?
If not, I suggest you read up on it and talk to some real professionals ( IE physicians who specialize in these disorders and pediatric neurologists.. not fellow "educators") that dont have drug tunnel vision. To suggest drugs of ANY certain kind across the board is heinous.. and hopefully those who do this will be held accountable. My daughter is on meds right now.. just not your educators fave zombie meds that would have caused her serious problems had I listened to BASSC and her so-called teachers. IMHO teachers and school counselors that perpetrate this crime on children should be prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license. They should NOT diagnose or make medical suggestions... and badgering a parent to dope their kid with a SPECIFIC drug is making a diagnosis. |
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I was simply sharing one instance of medication being successful. Sounds to me as if you have a bad case of the ass with educators! Just because YOU had a bad experience doesn't mean everyone is out to get you or your kid.New meds and diagnosis come out every day. I am very well educated-who the heck is BASSC?? Not every place is perfect...we all can't perform miracles over night. At least where I am, i know we do the best we can. There ARE kids who DO need help- whose parents don't see it or don't even care to. There are kids who need NO medical help--just a good kick in rear end- you usually know those too. And nine times out of ten- the apple uau;llu doesn't fall too far from the tree when youn meet the parents!!!! wow-I hope you are happy with your doctors, the meds and your diagnosis. I agree on many of these issues. If you don't like the schools-home school. That way you can make sure your kid is with whom you trust. Have a good day Ms. Sunshine!!!@@!@!!!
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I totally agree with you 100%. |
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I did a quick research on the internet and got the following information from two doctors.
1. The United States uses 85% of the world's ritalin 2. Its use has skyrockted over the last nine to ten years. 3. It's a Schedule 11 drug, in same class as speed and cocaine, per the Feds. One problem I have with this drug, is that you are feeding it to kids all the way through high school. Once they are out, they are cut off from the dope. Now what? Studies been done that drug addicts can't tell the difference between ritalin, speed and cocaine. Conclusion...can't get rit so use speed. Which means you have more addicts running loose. I know two kids on this junk. What is common between them? Parents constantly working, no one is raising them, they are raising themselves. No guidance, nuturing in both of these families. The one kid, is a seond year "senior". Smoking pot. How do I know? Plants growing in the backyard, is a clue. Finally going to get his GED. Can't be in school forever. |
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ANyone with a kid in the 23 school districs BASSC serves will know they are the govt body that assists in IEP and issues that you're talking about.. adhd, autism, deisabilities and impairments. You know, things an educator SHOULD be aware of like IEP, speech therapy, etc. This is the Belleville Forum, they serve Belleville as well.
http://web.stclair.k12.il.us/bassc/ I didnt think you or anyone else was out to get me or my "kid". In fact that says a heck of a lot about you as an "educator" for implying such nonsense and then making a comment about homeschooling. You see that is the typical attitude of some "educators" when you try to discuss things with them that are outside of their tunnel vision. Fortunately not all teachers are as dismissive as you appear to be by your last post. ONE teacher took me to the side and gave me the name of the Ped Neurologist that properly diagnosed my daughter. I am working with Judevine and the Il autism resource as far as schooling. Like I said, she is also enrolled in college level classes and doing well. Your homeschooling suggestion is pretty pathetic gicen the information I have included in my posts. It really does show how uneducated you are about these issues. Figures a teacher who refuses to seek the answers to the questions I posed would try to turn it around on a parent and whine "homeschool". I also submitted the information to the administration that was given to me by the neurologust and Judevine and have worked with them pretty successfully.. save only a handful of teachers who have no clue what it is to be responsible for other people's children and LOVE to make the parents the bad guy when they demand action for their child's health and academic progress rather than pump them full of ritalin. God forbid some so called educators educate themselves. Oh and the Ms Sunshine thing is VERY mature. Apple doesnt fall far from the tree you say? I suggest you as a educator who may have a child with a REAL disorder like Autism educate yourself on what it is and that its NOT a learned behavior from a parent. Educator for 20 years right? Poor St.Louis students... |
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God says he loves his adderall! It helps him concentrate! You can complain and complain, you ignorant person, but God understands that you are naive to the true impairments of ADHD on a young mind!
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I can relate to where you are coming from here. I had the same problems with my son. He was finally, after 4 years of begging, diagnosed with Central Auditory Processing. Instead of his former special education teacher working with him, she mainly stated he had behavior problems and put in detention. Or should I say, TRIED. The principle and myself went round and round about his nutjob of a teacher. I can only say that she's lucky it's against the law to pummel a clueless teacher. Anywho....My son also takes medication. It does help him stay focused. But, it is a mild dose and he only takes it during school days. Weekends he's off of them. This works well for us. But, let me tell. I know exactly what you had to go through. My son is doing much better. Still has his struggles.But, they are minor compared to what they used to be. I commend you for being your child's advocate. I would not let a school system push me around either. And, they know this. |
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ADHD and Autism disorders are two totally different things. The problem is that processing disorders, like my son's, can mimic ADHD. There is a fine line between the two. Which is why to medicate and not to medicate becomes a difficult question. I would hardly call a parent ignorant for wanting what is best for their child. It's much better than the parents who don't give a crap about their kids and let them run loose. This is WHY society has the problems it does. Being your child's advocate is a given. Not a choice. |
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Has anyone heard of parents being coerced by a daycare to medicate a preschooler for ADHD?
My pediatrician prescribed Focalin for my 3 1/2 year old; my son has had hyperactive and impulsive symptoms since before 18 months of age and at this point we had gone to the doctor's because his behavior was putting him in dangerous situations. He took the medication for 4 months and I decided the effect was not significant because he still exhibited these behaviors. Also, my son is very small for his age because he was premature and so I do not believe the benefits outweigh the risks. I am in the process of setting up a behavioral assessment in hopes of finding alternative treatments. The daycare teacher seems to think it makes a huge difference and "lost it" when I informed her I would not be giving it to him. I believed her experience was colored by her expectations, so I did continue the medication for a short time while she believed he was not taking it. She was at her wits end everytime I picked him up despite this, which proves my point. Anyway, she decided she could not handle it anymore and gave me a two week notice stipulating that he can only attend during those two weeks if "under the care of a doctor and taking the prescribed medications" CAN YOU BELIEVE SHE HAS THE AUDACITY TO DO THAT?! Furthermore, during these couple of weeks, she admitted to me that she spanked my child because "he would not lay down at nap time" I am definitly going to report her and possibly take legal action but I have been unable to find any precedent for such a case. |
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Get your child out of that place. This woman is not capable of working with your child. Kids, like ours, need a person who can push to make a child behave but at the same time have the compassion that is needed in dealing with our little ones. And spanking? I thought that was illegal. Go to your State web site. Find phone numbers. You may try calling Children, Family, Services. If they can't help you, they may be able to point you in the right direction. Daycares are suppose to be licensed by the state. I think. I wouldn't let this one go if I were you. As far as medicating. I have always thought that a true diagnosis for a behavioral/learning problem wasn't "offically" diagnosed until the kids are around 7 years old. At least that's what my doc told me. So, I would get a second opinion. You need to find a doc that specializes in these types of disorders. That would be your best best. Try someone under the title of "Developmental Pediatrician." Or something along those lines. Remember, YOU are your child's best advocate. Do not let anyone, and I mean anyone, push you around to medicate your child unless you are comfortable with it. That means, teachers, doctors, etc. It is YOUR choice to medicate or not to medicate. Some of these medications have really bad side effects related to cardiac problems. So, you need to weigh the pros and cons before administering these meds. And you did that. Good for you, mom! Good luck and God Bless. |
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ADHD was "invented" by pharmacy's, etc. Want to see a kid with ADHD really focus? Put him in front of a video game. Quit poisoning people for profits!
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My brother and sister were "diagnosed" with ADHD pretty much the moment they started school and took meds for some time. However My brother was raised by a loving Aunt and Uncle who could handle the problem and with loving but firm guidance he was off the meds and doing well in school by the 5th grade. My sister on the other hand was raised by our workaholic mother and knew me and her babysitter more then she knew her mother. When I wasn't home to set boundries and punishments for misbehavior she was wild and out of control. While I realize ADHD does truly exsist I know in my sister's case and to many of the children today it's a complete lack of parents disipline, guidance, and love that makes a child act out to simply get the attention they want good or bad. The school system here in Illinois fails these students also by not working with them to overcome the problems ADHD creates then passing them to the next grade even though they've recieved failing grades in most subjects. My sister now 17 has been in trouble since she was old enough to know what it was, is failing out of high school because she never learned the basics, and is getting involved in a world that can't lead to anything good. ADHD yes, lack of parental instilled morals, disipline, and a good understanding of right and wrong big time.
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i was that kid, my son (who is extremely bright) is also this was. try to build him up for his good (independent behavior), sometimes i have to just ignore some of the minor things. i talk to him about which way is easier, the crying and i cant's or the buckling down, asking for help when needed, and getting the job done. this has really motivated him. he is in private school, in the advanced group, and while he still wants approval he enjoys working alone to show us how smart he is. |
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