If Health Law Is Overturned, What Will Liberals Do?

Mar 28, 2012 | Posted by: JCKS Editor | Full story: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com

If the Supreme Court strikes down all or part of President Obama 's health care law , it will have unraveled a legislative compromise that many liberals had viewed with suspicion from the beginning.

In one of the ironies of recent politics, Mr. Obama was a late convert to the merits of the individual mandate that now appears to be in danger of being declared unconstitutional.

But the president’s embrace of the mandate — and his willingness to abandon a so-called public option to get a health care deal — was a hard pill to swallow for many of his Democratic supporters.

The Affordable Care Act promises to provide health insurance to millions who lacked it. But it also stops far short of the idea that health care is a basic right for everyone living in the country. And it embraces the market-based system of private health care delivery that has long existed in America.

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No one preaches about higher taxes you dufus. Democrats talk about responsibly paying our bills unlike Ryan/Romney who want middle class America to pay the bills of billionaires and global corporations.
You are just another cheapskate, leech Republiscum. You want everything the US provides but want others to pay the bill..
No, that would be you socialists. Socialists want to sponge off the system and send the bill to the wealthy. The US provides for all citizens, but 47% of our citizens pay no federal income taxes. Those taxes are paid by a little over half of the people in our country. If that's not bad enough, the Socialists want them to pay even more.
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You are supporting a tax dodger who has managed to amass $102 million in his private IRA.
How did he do that? Do the math.
Your Mormon Messiah is also, quite probably, a FELON and possibly even someone who committed VOTER FRAUD.
Of all the Republiscum in your smelly swamp this is the kind of human garbage you push on the USA? This is why you are America-haters.
What a complete idiot you are. Don't come to a gunfight armed with a knife. People who amass large amounts of money do put those assets into tax shelters such as IRA's. It's not a Romney thing, it's common practice. To your chagrin, legal to boot. Did the Democrat Presidency, Congress and Senate change those rules when they all held majorities? Hell no. Like most Republican great ideas, they kept it.

American haters are not those who want less federal government in their lives, American haters are those who want more; just like you.

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Where are the jobs? The money is overseas and will stay there until DumBama is out of office. Commie Care scares the hell out of them not to mention that every other speech by DumBama has to do with his desire to raise income taxes on people making over $250,000 per year.
....... Canada has less than half of the corporate tax that we do. What's to think about?
Find me a major company in the US that actually pays the stated rate ?? You will probably count them with both hands. Why because everyone exploits loop holes in the system to aviod tax. So it would be better to close those loop holes and drop the tax to 30% which is on par with everyone else. That I thought was Obama's plan only it hits the wall everytime any of these ideas turn themselves into a bill before congress.

Secondly all this so called commie care, keeping their money in their pocket because of taxes is BS. I'm an investor but I do not see any return on my money if a Republican is elected. So that's why I and millions like me are waiting to see the results of the US elections. Because smart investors know, the more spending power the greater percentage of the population the faster the growth and the bigger returns. Tax is NEVER an issue if the returns are coming in. If Romney is elected I can tell you now the stock market will spike up after the elections then within 6 mths it will tank again. Every bit as bad as 2008 because they know low taxes is NEVER going to stop the flow of jobs off shore. Then deprive the bulk of your population from disposible income and the house of cards collapses. Then even the wealthy will see their incomes plummet. So please don't try and tell me, investors are moving off shore because of taxes or government regs. Its the biggest smoke screen I ever heard.

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Besides no one is selling Obama as perfect he is far from that. But his ideology is sound and that makes all the difference, we would all like some of those stupid entitlement programs to stop but its no easy quick fix. Because all this has been let happen over a number years. Now its sending cities broke because they can't pay pension plans which were plain stupid and way over the top. That is NOT Obama's fault thou, its at the state and county level. Where Unions seem to have too much influence in elections.

But in the big picture stuff Obama has it more together than Romney especially foriegn policy and fiscal policies. They are the two main players for any economy.

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What a complete idiot you are. Don't come to a gunfight armed with a knife. People who amass large amounts of money do put those assets into tax shelters such as IRA's. It's not a Romney thing, it's common practice. To your chagrin, legal to boot. Did the Democrat Presidency, Congress and Senate change those rules when they all held majorities? Hell no. Like most Republican great ideas, they kept it.
American haters are not those who want less federal government in their lives, American haters are those who want more; just like you.
As usual you America-haters ignore Romney's TAX DODGING just as you ignore his FOUR TIME DRAFT DODGING. You are so far up his backside that your brain hasn't received oxygen in months.

How do you - do the math - get $102 Million into a personal IRA.

God, you are such a serf.

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No, that would be you socialists. Socialists want to sponge off the system and send the bill to the wealthy. The US provides for all citizens, but 47% of our citizens pay no federal income taxes. Those taxes are paid by a little over half of the people in our country. If that's not bad enough, the Socialists want them to pay even more.
6 Walton heirs own as much as the bottom 40% of Americans.

6 people own as much as 126 million Americans.

I know you are too stupid and full of GOPOX **** to comprehend this but that is dangerous for democracy and the Waltons still want more out of the hides of the previously middle class.

You and other stupids like you echo the Germans during the rise of Hitler. History does not repeat but it certainly does echo.
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Find me a major company in the US that actually pays the stated rate ?? You will probably count them with both hands. Why because everyone exploits loop holes in the system to aviod tax. So it would be better to close those loop holes and drop the tax to 30% which is on par with everyone else. That I thought was Obama's plan only it hits the wall everytime any of these ideas turn themselves into a bill before congress.
Secondly all this so called commie care, keeping their money in their pocket because of taxes is BS. I'm an investor but I do not see any return on my money if a Republican is elected. So that's why I and millions like me are waiting to see the results of the US elections. Because smart investors know, the more spending power the greater percentage of the population the faster the growth and the bigger returns. Tax is NEVER an issue if the returns are coming in. If Romney is elected I can tell you now the stock market will spike up after the elections then within 6 mths it will tank again. Every bit as bad as 2008 because they know low taxes is NEVER going to stop the flow of jobs off shore. Then deprive the bulk of your population from disposible income and the house of cards collapses. Then even the wealthy will see their incomes plummet. So please don't try and tell me, investors are moving off shore because of taxes or government regs. Its the biggest smoke screen I ever heard.
You don't have to take my word for it. It's all over the internet in business articles such as the Wall Street Journal. I'm just telling you what these company heads tell the media when asked about why they don't bring money back to the US.

I think you better recalculate your financial strategy when it comes to the outcome of our presidential election. We are about to get hit with massive taxes in 2013 unless Romney and the Republicans can get into office and put a stop to it. Many believe it will set off such a domino effect that it will take us into a recession similar to the last one.

Romney and Obama have demonstrated what they know about business and finances. One is a complete failure, and the other is a complete success. My money is on the guy who is a complete success. Everybody else can vote for who they want to.

Be careful what you wish for, it just may come true. This is because (in my opinion) voters are getting dumber and dumber every election. 30 years ago, a guy like Obama wouldn't have stood a chance at getting the presidency; not because he's half-black, but because he has no real political or business experience. Today, these dopes vote on our electors like they vote for their American Idol on television. Obama is a complete failure as President, yet he is running neck and neck with Romney. That's how bad it is in our country today when it comes to voters.
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As usual you America-haters ignore Romney's TAX DODGING just as you ignore his FOUR TIME DRAFT DODGING. You are so far up his backside that your brain hasn't received oxygen in months.
How do you - do the math - get $102 Million into a personal IRA.
God, you are such a serf.
Yes, he did a smart thing with money. Too bad your dopey President can't do the same. He's wasting our money on companies like Solyndra and BS stimulus nonsense that never worked.
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6 Walton heirs own as much as the bottom 40% of Americans.
6 people own as much as 126 million Americans.
I know you are too stupid and full of GOPOX **** to comprehend this but that is dangerous for democracy and the Waltons still want more out of the hides of the previously middle class.
You and other stupids like you echo the Germans during the rise of Hitler. History does not repeat but it certainly does echo.
It's only in Hitler type of minds that think when a person earns money, government must take it away from them just because they want to. Communists, dictators and Socialists believe that all money belongs to government, and it's government that decides on everybody's lifestyle.

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It's only in Hitler type of minds that think when a person earns money, government must take it away from them just because they want to. Communists, dictators and Socialists believe that all money belongs to government, and it's government that decides on everybody's lifestyle.
you described the Republicans & Romney(taxes & fees) that is what the 16th amendment did more or less declares that all of our income is the property of the Federal government. Any amount they let us keep is the result of the benevolence of Congress. The Courts have ruled as such throughout the history of the income tax. This includes any income, from gifts to fringe benefits. If your employer pays for a business lunch, the Federal government can tax you for 100% of your lunch if they so desire. There are of course loopholes and all sorts of deductions and write offs. But those are all by the grace of Congress. According to the Courts and the 16th amendment Congress doesn’t have to write any deductions into law. They’re entitled to everything.

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Season's Greetings

T'was the night before elections,
And all thru' the town,
Tempers were flaring
Emotions ran up and down.
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I, in my bathrobe
With a cat in my lap,
Had shut off the TV,
tired of political crap.
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When all of a sudden,
There arose such a noise,
I peered out my window,
Saw Obama and his boys
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They had come for my wallet,
They wanted my pay
To hand out to others
Who had not worked a day!
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He snatched up my money,
And quick as a wink,
Jumped back on his bandwagon
As I gagged from the stink.
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He then rallied his henchmen
Who were pulling his cart.
I could tell they were out
To tear my country apart!
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'On Fannie, on Freddie,
On Biden and Ayers!
On Acorn, on Pelosi'
He screamed at the pairs!
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They took off for his cause,
And as they flew out of sight,
I heard him laugh at a nation
Who wouldn't stand up and fight!
So I leave you to think on this one final note...
IF YOU DON'T WANT SOCIALISM GET OUT AND VOTE !!!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA, OUR ONLY HOPE.....

WAVE OUR FLAG HIGH!!!

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Yes, he did a smart thing with money. Too bad your dopey President can't do the same. He's wasting our money on companies like Solyndra and BS stimulus nonsense that never worked.
Of course scumbags like you think that unethical, immoral and likely ILLEGAL behavior is laudable.

Republsicums = America-hating criminal lovers.

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Smutt Romney, pathological liar, racist, sexist, bigot and all around scumbag's TAX INCREASE PLANS:

- elimination of the mortgage deduction for the middle class in order to pay for the uber rich's estate tax rate of ZERO.

100% of Romney's policy plans benefit HIMSELF at the expense of others.

Romney is a four-time draft dodging America-hater intent on crushing the middle class into poverty and stealing all of its money for himself and his Koch and Trump cronies.

Romeny took a US Government BAILOUT to save BAIN. Now he wants a repeat on a massive scale.

Romney, the personification of pure evil.
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Smutt Romney, pathological liar, racist, sexist, bigot and all around scumbag's TAX INCREASE PLANS:
- elimination of the mortgage deduction for the middle class in order to pay for the uber rich's estate tax rate of ZERO.
100% of Romney's policy plans benefit HIMSELF at the expense of others.
Romney is a four-time draft dodging America-hater intent on crushing the middle class into poverty and stealing all of its money for himself and his Koch and Trump cronies.
Romeny took a US Government BAILOUT to save BAIN. Now he wants a repeat on a massive scale.
Romney, the personification of pure evil.
Right. And DumBama, Holder and Wright are all angelic.

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Right. And DumBama, Holder and Wright are all angelic.
Smutt Romney is a long time pornographer and abortion profiteer.

How the supposedly 'evangelical' Christian right supports this anti-Christian cultist is beyond all rational thought. Oh yeah, hypocrisy!
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Smutt Romney is a long time pornographer and abortion profiteer.
How the supposedly 'evangelical' Christian right supports this anti-Christian cultist is beyond all rational thought. Oh yeah, hypocrisy!
Then you should be really confused about DumBama. You know, that guy who says he's a devout Christian? Mr. Pro-abortion himself?

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You don't have to take my word for it. It's all over the internet in business articles such as the Wall Street Journal. I'm just telling you what these company heads tell the media when asked about why they don't bring money back to the US.
I think you better recalculate your financial strategy when it comes to the outcome of our presidential election. We are about to get hit with massive taxes in 2013 unless Romney and the Republicans can get into office and put a stop to it......
For a start I will tell you why cutting taxes won't work. There was a time when it would have worked but that was 30-40 yrs ago. A new factory might have been built somewhere or a company take on new employees. Now that doesn't translate because someone can do it cheaper with almost the same quality that consumers buy that is not on American soil. So you can wipe that from the Republican handbook, now you need all the tax you can collect to wipe the debt. Trying some bs fairytale believing that you can manufacture growth like the Chinese just like the "good ole days" has long past. It has to be new industries and vastly more productive than your competitors.

Then its all this "commie" & "socialist" talk. But I was listening to a leading economist on the radio about what gets the economy growing again and what would drive investors into the markets. They mentioned the tax cuts and he laughed, he said look I will put this in simple terms. If you give a dollar to a rich person the economy only sees about 20cents of that dollar. The rest goes into savings or is attracted to where growth is and that is developing countries. But give a dollar to a poor person, the economy sees 100 cents of that dollar straight up. It is spent entirely. That's the difference, give consumers the power to spend you have growth and that is what drives investments. Everything the Republicans have on their platform will only make things worse. So there you have it. One party is for personal wealth the other party is for the country's wealth. I know which one i'd be voting for.
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For a start I will tell you why cutting taxes won't work. There was a time when it would have worked but that was 30-40 yrs ago. A new factory might have been built somewhere or a company take on new employees. Now that doesn't translate because someone can do it cheaper with almost the same quality that consumers buy that is not on American soil. So you can wipe that from the Republican handbook, now you need all the tax you can collect to wipe the debt. Trying some bs fairytale believing that you can manufacture growth like the Chinese just like the "good ole days" has long past. It has to be new industries and vastly more productive than your competitors.
Then its all this "commie" & "socialist" talk. But I was listening to a leading economist on the radio about what gets the economy growing again and what would drive investors into the markets. They mentioned the tax cuts and he laughed, he said look I will put this in simple terms. If you give a dollar to a rich person the economy only sees about 20cents of that dollar. The rest goes into savings or is attracted to where growth is and that is developing countries. But give a dollar to a poor person, the economy sees 100 cents of that dollar straight up. It is spent entirely. That's the difference, give consumers the power to spend you have growth and that is what drives investments. Everything the Republicans have on their platform will only make things worse. So there you have it. One party is for personal wealth the other party is for the country's wealth. I know which one i'd be voting for.
That sounds like a similar statement made by Nancy Piglosi. She tried to say that unemployment checks stimulate the economy. Okay, with the amount of people we have on unemployment, the amount of people on welfare, the amount of people on food stamps, why isn't the economy stimulated? I mean according to Nancy, the amount of government money in the hands of the slackers, we should have the most robust economy we've had in 40 years.

Give a rich man some money, he does not put that in a 1% savings account. He invests that dollar into his business, the stock market, real estate. He sees that his money grows. Sure, it could be overseas, but it could very well be in the US.

Give a poor man a dollar, and he runs to Wal-Mart and purchases a few light bulbs made in China.

After the Bush tax cuts, my employer purchased a whole new fleet of trucks. He even bought himself a new SUV. I took notice of our customers buying new machinery and having their parking lots resurfaced and repaired. Bush gave some inspiration for business owners to expand or start up a new business.

Let's look at what Bush did in contrast to what Obama did for business.

His first order of business was to drastically increase taxes on cigarette companies. He then closed down the Gulf even after the spill was stopped. He had his minions attack Gibson guitars. Gibson is a staple in the US most famous for their classic Les Paul guitars sold all over the world. I own three of them. Then he had his union buddies try to close down Boeing. The big shots at Boeing and Gibson both said they would be considering moving out of the US. Prior to that, he taxed manufacturers that produced medical equipment. He taxed tanning salons and recently, virtually closed down all the roll-your-own cigarette shops across the entire country. He attacked the American Indians halting their mail order cigarettes. And across the board, all companies with 50 or more employees are threatened by his idiotic healthcare act.

Now you compare these two Presidents, and then tell me who's method is better for trying to reboot the economy.

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Then you should be really confused about DumBama. You know, that guy who says he's a devout Christian? Mr. Pro-abortion himself?
There is nothing about declaring a woman's womb government property that is Christian.

Only your mother was pro-abortion and now we know why.

It is called PRO-FREEDOM which Republiscum old, white, angry, perverted men deny to women because, you know, they are old, white, angry, perverted men.
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There is nothing about declaring a woman's womb government property that is Christian.
Only your mother was pro-abortion and now we know why.
It is called PRO-FREEDOM which Republiscum old, white, angry, perverted men deny to women because, you know, they are old, white, angry, perverted men.
Grow up already liberal. No wonder you need government to change your diapers and wipe you ever time you go to the bathroom.

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