Homosexuality against natural law

krnfrk wrote:

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wow, that seems a little judgmental. I wasn't really being serious with my remark about the turkey-baster pregnancy experiments (if that's what you're referring to). I do agree with you about the disparaging remarks by people, but it comes from both sides. I think it has to do with too many egos.

Well, of course you were and so was I. What's the matter can't you tell when someone is just jerking your chain? I agree with you, ego is evil. I remind myself of that everytime I enter into the realm of judging anyone.

Gay Mom wrote:

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And how will me having the civil right to marry ( I am already married in my church) destroy anything?

I'd like the answer to that one. I keep hearing this statement made by so many, on how gay marriage will destroy the institution of marriage. But, when you ask one of these oh so profound experts on the subject to explain, in simple terms, how this will be they are suddenly at a loss for words. Though many fall back on the God meant marriage to be between one man and one woman, and God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, and other decidedly tired and pointless remarks, none has ever established their proof of how gays marrying will harm traditional marriage.

Janitor wrote:

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I'd like the answer to that one. I keep hearing this statement made by so many, on how gay marriage will destroy the institution of marriage. But, when you ask one of these oh so profound experts on the subject to explain, in simple terms, how this will be they are suddenly at a loss for words. Though many fall back on the God meant marriage to be between one man and one woman, and God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, and other decidedly tired and pointless remarks, none has ever established their proof of how gays marrying will harm traditional marriage.

GOD created adam and eve...not adam and steve to be together in holy matrimony.

fedupwiththemess wrote:

<quoted text>GOD created adam and eve...not adam and steve.

So are you saying that gay people are not created by God? Otherwise we would be straight. Unless God got it wrong somehow, and messed something up to make us this way.

Adam and Steve are really nice guys. You shouldn't pick on them.

milkboy wrote:

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So are you saying that gay people are not created by God? Otherwise we would be straight. Unless God got it wrong somehow, and messed something up to make us this way.
Adam and Steve are really nice guys. You shouldn't pick on them.

Nope. Saying that adam was created and eve was created for adam...not adam created and steve created for adam...doesn't even sound right.

ltndncr59 wrote:

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In Matthew 19, Jesus releases homosexuals (men) from the duty to marry (women). He doesn't, however, condemn homosexuality anywhere, and neither does he forbid two men or two women entering into a marriage. No where.
Are you saying that anything not specifically allowed by Jesus is forbidden? Better get off of your computer, sweetie, Jesus never said it was ok ;)

You are twisting God's word. The Bible was referring to men who were castorated or born with birth defects not homosexuals. Where in the Bible does it talk about the dos and don'ts of a same sex union. Nowhere, because it is condemned. Why would Jesus be so specific about marriage between a man and woman and nothing was said about same sex unions. Because it is supported in the Bible that same sex unions are a sexual sin not to be practiced. There is no trickery in the Bible, it spells it out straight!

Isabella wrote:

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You are twisting God's word. The Bible was referring to men who were castorated or born with birth defects not homosexuals. Where in the Bible does it talk about the dos and don'ts of a same sex union. Nowhere, because it is condemned. Why would Jesus be so specific about marriage between a man and woman and nothing was said about same sex unions. Because it is supported in the Bible that same sex unions are a sexual sin not to be practiced. There is no trickery in the Bible, it spells it out straight!

if only it weren't a fair tale ... saying our laws should be based on it is like saying our laws should be based on harry potter....

fedupwiththemess wrote:

<quoted text>GOD created adam and eve...not adam and steve to be together in holy matrimony.

As I said previously, no answer, just cliche.

fedupwiththemess wrote:

<quoted text>Nope. Saying that adam was created and eve was created for adam...not adam created and steve created for adam...doesn't even sound right.

Now, back to my question. How does allowing gays to marry destroy the institution of marriage?

Who cares what straight people think anyways?Just bring back the good ol days of outing.

Isabella wrote:

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You are twisting God's word. The Bible was referring to men who were castorated or born with birth defects not homosexuals. Where in the Bible does it talk about the dos and don'ts of a same sex union. Nowhere, because it is condemned. Why would Jesus be so specific about marriage between a man and woman and nothing was said about same sex unions. Because it is supported in the Bible that same sex unions are a sexual sin not to be practiced. There is no trickery in the Bible, it spells it out straight!

So what you're saying is that what Jesus spoke of was important. In that case, given his views on divorce, why have Christians disregarded this? Divorce rates among Christians is the highest in the nation and has always been, and certainly not for adultry alone. These days people get married on a whim and divorced for anything, everything and nothing, many twice or three times. Two women in my church have been married four times. If we are to assume that Jesus didn't speak on homosexuality because it was wrong, are we to assume that what he did speak on was only important when those who read the word agree with it and if this is so, then what difference does it make what was recorded or not recorded. There is also the fact that Jesus words were recorded by Jews who might have seen homosexuality as an abomination and didn't bother to record what he might have said at all. None of us were there and no one can know anymore than that they agree or disagree with the scripture.
I believe Jesus would have said something if he felt so strongly on this issue, since it has become such a center for religious debate these days. Since he didn't I have as much right to believe what he did say, to judge none and to love one another were his most prominent beliefs regardless of who they had sex with. The issue, after all comes back to marriage and if two of the same sex love one another and want to live their lives together and share their love in union, and build their futures as one what difference should that make to anyone else?

Travis A wrote:

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if only it weren't a fair tale ... saying our laws should be based on it is like saying our laws should be based on harry potter....

Travis A, it is not a fairy tale. Please don't say that unless you have researched it thoroughly. Don't allow Satan to fool you. Don't believe those who tell you the Bible is a lie or a fairy tale, because they only want you to be in bondage of sins like they are. There is too much proof to conclude it false. Do you have any churches nearby where you can go and ask some questions about proof Jesus existed and the bible is the word of God? I can also refer to you some books for you to decide for yourself. Please let me know if you wish. thanks

dances with weebles wrote:

<quoted text> i've read that, also... and in spite of the accusation that i'm making things unduly pornographic, i still tend to lean more toward the two drunken shepherds and a gullible little girl who may have believed that they were angels. it's quite possible, as well, that she and joe cooked up the story of the angels to cover up for her so that he wouldn't have to hit her in the head with rocks.

Maybe Mary and Joseph planted their crop a little too early.....wouldn't be the first time and hardly the last.

dances with weebles wrote:

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that's all well and good until she explodes one day in the middle of walmart... good lord, now there'll be a mess worth being fed up with.

I need to stay out of those places anyway;0) Let them deal with it!

Cleanup on aisle 5 !!!

fedupwiththemess wrote:

<quoted text>Nope. Saying that adam was created and eve was created for adam...not adam created and steve created for adam...doesn't even sound right.

You haven't sounded quite right since your first post dearie. You just keep hanging around obsessed with "fleshly" matters...gee I wonder what that's all about;0)

Isabella wrote:

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Travis A, it is not a fairy tale. Please don't say that unless you have researched it thoroughly. Don't allow Satan to fool you. Don't believe those who tell you the Bible is a lie or a fairy tale, because they only want you to be in bondage of sins like they are. There is too much proof to conclude it false. Do you have any churches nearby where you can go and ask some questions about proof Jesus existed and the bible is the word of God? I can also refer to you some books for you to decide for yourself. Please let me know if you wish. thanks

there is no way the bible is gods word for starters why would he make me gay and then call it sin? secondly do you really think that something that was of god would contradict it self so much?

Isabella wrote:

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Travis A, it is not a fairy tale. Please don't say that unless you have researched it thoroughly. Don't allow Satan to fool you. Don't believe those who tell you the Bible is a lie or a fairy tale, because they only want you to be in bondage of sins like they are. There is too much proof to conclude it false. Do you have any churches nearby where you can go and ask some questions about proof Jesus existed and the bible is the word of God? I can also refer to you some books for you to decide for yourself. Please let me know if you wish. thanks

Taught a Sunday School Class for 10 years, is that enough research for you? Been there, done that. Walked away a loooooong time ago and have never regretted it.

Travis A wrote:

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there is no way the bible is gods word for starters why would he make me gay and then call it sin? secondly do you really think that something that was of god would contradict it self so much?

He didn't MAKE you Gay, you CHOSE to be gay. Big difference. Homosexuality is a behavior. There is no conclusive scientific proof that anyone is born as a homosexual. It is a lie told by those who want to practice the sin; nothing more. You are a product of your environment. Can you look back and see what might have triggered your homosexuality? What was your relationship with your father. That is usually where the problem exists. Lack of love by a father. thanks

DebJ wrote:

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Taught a Sunday School Class for 10 years, is that enough research for you? Been there, done that. Walked away a loooooong time ago and have never regretted it.

Big difference between knowledge and understanding. The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination. Image how nature was created, how a baby can be created inside he womb, how a cut can be healed on your body, how your hair can grow, etc. You have to imagine something really great created it. Then you start to search for the answers and they all lead you to the God of the Holy Bible! Did you ask Jesus into your heart and forgive your sins and give you the gift of the Holy Spirit to guide you daily?

Isabella wrote:

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He didn't MAKE you Gay, you CHOSE to be gay. Big difference. Homosexuality is a behavior. There is no conclusive scientific proof that anyone is born as a homosexual. It is a lie told by those who want to practice the sin; nothing more. You are a product of your environment. Can you look back and see what might have triggered your homosexuality? What was your relationship with your father. That is usually where the problem exists. Lack of love by a father. thanks

If it's a choice, when did you choose to be heterosexual?

And we had as diverse childhoods and heterosexuals had: some had happy healthy families and some were not so lucky and had dysfunction families of all degrees and varieties. Some kids are born left handed, some are born right handed. Same thing with homosexual and heterosexual.