Judge it!we the people, so far, is much nicer than this.Happy Independence Day!
Could be our last!
With the obummer socialist, Marxist liberal dictatorship coming at us full force, next year at this time it could be.
Unhappy Socialist Dictators Day!
Boy have the liberals turned this once great and strong country into a bunch of whiny, wimpy gimme every thing for nothing obummer lemmings.
You fools, obummer is DESTROYING the USA!
Hey lemmings, concept, try earning something, you may just respect it and your self.
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officials'- politicians'- bullshit - those must have been the mistakes previously mentioned. I didn't agree with that comment, either. |
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health care and health insurance are not the same thing. health care and drugs are not the same thing. |
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“Retired Master Gunny USMC” 
Since: Jul 08
Las Vegas ISP: Las Vegas, NV |
Has anyone ever really broken down the 46 million who are uninsured?
How many are the young who think they are bullet proof and would rather party with their money then cover themselves? How many are illgals who are here now leaching off the system and costing everyone of us dearly? And how many just wish not to be covered cause they get medical by other means? So where does that leave us,how many really are under insured? As to making a profit, that's the name of the game, if one couldn't be profitable from a profession he or she picked, why go into it at all? I agree health care needs some type of reform, but everything uncle sh*t for brains gets involved in cost us three to four times more then the liars in government tell us up front. |
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This clown talks out of both sides of his mouth. Read this article: http://www.9news.com/news/world/article.aspx...
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what a strong comment! you lost me with the words - "if congress cannot pass a robust public option" - and with (almost) everything thereafter (maybe you had a fact or two correct, though you had better document it - no one will believe you!). How authoritarian are you?- That is not progrssive? That is stuff to be used by all the right-wing extremists here and elsewhere. I could tolerate threats to vote against Democrats who do not vote for such a bill, in a Democratic primary, or even - at worst - in a general election. I might disagree, depending on the other merits of the Senator, but also I might agree. I would strongly support your forming effective alliances to sell your point of view, to build public support for candidates who support your views, and to assure the brave Senators who are afraid of defeat in the next election, that you will do all you can to get out the vote (legally) to re-elect them. Your comment gives those of us who are progressive, but not dictatorial about it, the opportunity and - I think - responsibility to distance ourselves from your authoritarian solution. There is nothing progressive about the solution you propose, even as only a silly threat, that no one with any sense would believe. I think perhaps you are an extreme "dirty-tricks" right-winger, who only said somewhat rational things in the first half of your comment, in order to scare everyone with the second half of your comment, and alienate people, and discredit progressives. I don't intend to let you get away with it - whichever explanation is the case as to your motives and real opinions. |
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I think the issue should be boiled down to what is a robust public option - versus what is too weak and what is too robust. I also see no reason to rule out some sort of cooperative model, even as a third type of option, whynot? There should be adequate pressure on private insurance companies to do the right thing, to serve individual and public health rather than merely profit and high salaries. But they should not be run out of business simply by the provisons of the public insurance option. The private companies should be given every incentive to be competitive, with reasonable and do-able improvements in their behavior. So nice to hear from lefty extremists now and then (I thought they might be extinct!)- but not from authoritarian ones (unfortunately, all to far from being extinct!)
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too - sorry - tried to correct most typos.
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Agree with all. Most are uninsured or under insured by choice. If you can't truly afford it you are covered. I have friends that constantly complain that the husband's company doesn't provide health insurance, and wah wah they can't afford to buy it themselves. It was going to cost $1000 a month. 1) I don't believe that. You can get catastrophic for much cheaper. 2) They have the BEST of everything. RV, new cars, car bought for 16 year old son, shop like crazy wife, best of all food, boat... on and on. They have two kids, suck it up. Sell the freaking RV |
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very, very, very, very, very good comment! did I say excellent? helpful? brilliant? agree? Sure, but what's wrong with you - it wasn't funny! |
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I agree in general. But it takes lots of people to figure it out. It is also not a let-Obama-do-it government. I like him "well enough" to coin a phrase. But I reserve the right to disagree with him, and I do not wait around for his decision. On the other hand, trying to give ultimatums to him, or Congress, is silly!- especially from the relatively powerless left, that can ruin, but never rule. The right-wing extremists can both ruin, and rule - because they control the gOP. You sound level-headed enough to have some good suggestions yourself - and he has asked for suggestions. Mine is to include both a public option and coop option for health insurance - and have single-payer government programs mandated for children and for the elderly - oops, folks over 62, probably. for college students - why not have meetings of college students, to make suggestions after hearings and discussions - they ought to be grown up enough to think about their own health insurance! I'd have mandated health insurance for young people up to age l8, with options after that - to buy in to a continuation of a public program, to join with parents' insurance, to get their own insurance or - probably most important - to participate in devising their own types of insurance - with big pools of colege students, and college age young people - say l8-25, to include graduate school and/or early work years. Make them learn about this stuff, both from a public policy point of view, and from a what am I going to do point of view. It would be good for them - they need more pressure on them to be informed citizens. As for financing - that's easy. Tax stuff that is bad for our health. |
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Then if they get sick or injured and go to an emergency room, which has to care for them, and can't pay the bill, then the hospital will add a bit to the bil of every other patient there, and insurance companies will ad it to their premiums, to pay for those irrsponsible people. It is like having a crack house next door - you don't approve, but there needs to be some government action to get them to clean up, or the whole neighborhood will pay the price. Unless you want these folks to die? I don't mind a provision that allows hospitals to seize certain assets for non-payment of bills. How far do you think all those assets would go in case of a terrible car accident?- and if the folks you refer to are irresponsible, isn't it possible they would be irresponsible drivers, too, and be responsible for the accident themselves, and maybe likely to cause one? |
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Fact is..nobody is really interested in tackling the problem....costs/pricing.. The fed, the state, or the insurance companies. They just raise the premiums to cover the costs. |
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I still disagree with we the people, but find him/her mostly less offensive than many of the other extremists. U think I did a judgeit of interesting on one comment - something about doing more individaul research (though I don't think that just asking a few pals their opinions counts as research!
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Well that was kind of my point. They are being brazenly irresponsible. And they do drive up our health care costs. If they had at least catastrophic a car accident would be covered, I assume. What are you suggesting, that we somehow force them to purchase insurance by law? Somewhat like you can't drive without car insurance? I'm open to that with some discussion of how it could be implemented. But for us to premptively pay for them, no. |
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Stuff that is not good for you like tea, coffee, salt, sugar, white flower. Who makes those decisions and where do you draw the line? |
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What you are describing is has caused many hospitals in California to go bankrupt, due in large part to unlawful immigration. They are a great many of the irresponsible people you refer to. |
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50% of all people who file for Bankruptcy are doing so because of medical bills. Many of those people had health insurance. If you are happy with America's health care system....you just haven't gotten sick enough yet.
http://allnurses.com/nursing-news/medical-bil... |
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Yes, why should profit be a motive for healthcare? Why would that matter? Doctors, nurses and caretakers should simply donate their time, education and resources for the good of the masses. And shouldn't companies that do the research and development for cures to diseases etc. share their wonderful discoveries with everyone? They don't need patents. After all those boys down at Genentech don't need to make a profit. Isn't it a Constitutional right for everyone to get free medical care?
What can America do for me? [The stupidity of it all]. |
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Since: Jan 08
Paradise ISP: Chico, CA |
Medicare is going to be our new health insurance plan? Medicare is poorly managed and will be broke by 2017. Let’s say that Medicare did work, there are roughly 800,000 doctors in the U.S, 40% of those are GPs. Now if your numbers of the uninsured are right, you provide another 47,000,000 people access to those doctors, there will be approximately 150 patients more per doctor, on average, of course in large cities the situation will be much worse. Do you think this will help speed up your wait time? The 47 million uninsured is bogus as well. 10 million of those are illegal aliens, there are about 17 million that make over $50 k/year but choose not to buy health insurance, that leaves approx 20million, many of those qualify for Medicaid or medical, whatever, but choose not to apply. Profit motive is a good thing. Compare the consumer goods produced in the U.S.S.R compared to goods produced in a free market system where there is competition and yes, the evil profit motive. I would prefer to be operated on by a surgeon who is concerned with building his practice and making money, he is motivated to be the best surgeon that he can be so that he can make a lot of money. Rather than a surgeon who can never exceed a certain point in his practice, where is the motivation to improve. I have lived in a country with socialized medicine and I do live here now paying for my own insurance. Even with the flaws, yes some reform is needed, I will take this system over socialized medicine any time. |
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