Body is Simi Valley woman

DON LEE wrote:

TO THE PEOPLE AND VISITORS OF INDEPENDENCE . THE INYO SHERIFFS OFFICE IN INDEPENDENCE ECSPECIALLY SERGEANT MOTTWEILER IS FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT SAVING THE LIFE OF RENEE FOX .THE COMPLETE LACK OF THEIR DUTIES AS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SAFETY TO THE COMMUNITY OF INDEPENDENCE AND SURROUNDING AREAS SHOULD RESULT IN THEIR IMMEDIATE SEVERE DISCIPLINE AND REPLACEMENT UNTIL FURTHER INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETED.

yes i agree, thier lack of responsibilies to the duty's of protect and serve should not be ignored. in fact the hole area up there seems to be a bit suspicious, ive been following this whole incident closely. ive known her for a long time, as her brother (eric) and i were very close friends.at this point i wouldn't rule out anybody who was in inyo co. on the 24th and 25th of june, as being a suspect,(including the law enforcement). but thats just my personal opinion, my deepest sympathy's go out to the family, just smile knowing she's in the loving care of eric (her brother) again.

I knew Renee. We were friends as teenagers, my heart goes out to her family. This is such a tragedy.

I want to hear more about this Simi Vallet woman Renee Fox. So many questions that need answers so this never happens again.

Why didn't they find her sooner? Why didn't Inyo County allow the search people from Texas to look in areas already searched. According to articles I've read, that is what they specialize in! You can walk right past a body or even a small clue, but they have the ability to go in there and make things happen where others have failed.

Was Inyo County afraid of being made to look stupid?

Renee's family deserves answers, as do the public. Shame on Inyo County for not responding to the first calls that a woman was up there alone!

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Why didn't the Inyo Sheriff call out for a search as soon as Renee Fox was reported wandering alone and disoriented on Masouka Cyn. Rd.? A beautiful, young, blond woman alone in the desert after her car broke down on the road. Isn't every person on earth precious and worthy of being found immediately when informed my concerned people that encountered her? Sheriff Dept. waited 24 hours to do the search - she was found dead 6 weeks later under very suspicious circumstances. Isn't it a very good possibility if they had immediately went to find her, she would have been found ALIVE? Where is your conscience, Sheriff? Do you have children? What would you want others to do to find yours under these circumstances? Shame on you. She has left a 5 year old son, many family members and hundreds of friends and acquaintances grieving. Why is there no more stories of this death and of Shaleen Duckey? Is no one concerned that there are two women dead up in your area and your priorities are not the find out what happened? Does the press care? I feel the people of Inyo County care - but where is the publicity so that we can get some answers and keep this to the forefront until we find the answers.

I am an angry, sad, grieving family friend.

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php...

see page 4 of that thread.

Dear Judy and fam. we are all very sorry to hear of your loss of Renee.We all remember her as a cute sweeat girl. my hat goes off to you Judy.you sure have a ruff time losing Eric and now your daughter.There's no words to say how terrible we all feel to haer the bad news. Hope your fam and you are doing ok. god Bless you all. love jaonne,Sherss and raymond

We love you aunt nee nee r.i.p

DON LEE wrote:

TO THE PEOPLE AND VISITORS OF INDEPENDENCE . THE INYO SHERIFFS OFFICE IN INDEPENDENCE ECSPECIALLY SERGEANT MOTTWEILER IS FULLY RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT SAVING THE LIFE OF RENEE FOX .THE COMPLETE LACK OF THEIR DUTIES AS LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SAFETY TO THE COMMUNITY OF INDEPENDENCE AND SURROUNDING AREAS SHOULD RESULT IN THEIR IMMEDIATE SEVERE DISCIPLINE AND REPLACEMENT UNTIL FURTHER INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETED.

I just noticed that this was posted before the truth came out about the dispatcher's "mistake" and the failure of law enforcement to check on Renee. Is Mottweiler the deputy who was on duty that night?

I think Mottweiler was the sheriff at the time. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Michelle

Hmm, I think the Sheriff was Dan Lucas. I know it wasn't Mottweiler, although he worked for the Sheriff's department.

Lucas now thats a new name I haven't heard yet, not to my recollection anyway

I have confirmed via a Google search (gotta love Google) that he was the sheriff at that time. I don't think he had much to do with Renee's case, at least not directly, but as the sheriff he was the guy in charge at the time.

From what I was able to gather from poking around on the internet, Mottweiler looks to me to be a kind of "spokesperson" or "mouthpiece" for ICSO. He seems to be quoted quite a bit whenever the sheriff's department is involved in the news. He also is called "Inspector" quite a bit...not sure if it is "official" or not, but I don't remember seeing him classified as "deputy"...not knowing the hierarchy at ICSO, I'm not sure of the significance of this, but I assume he would be closer to the equivilent of a "detective" than plain ol' "officer". Does anyone know how active he was in the investigation of Renee's disappearance?(Realitively speaking,of course :P.) It does kind of explain the "consistent" spin the SO's office seems to make on similar cases.

I'd like to hope that, despite all the cr*p that seems to go on there, that at least SOME of the LE down there actually take their job seriously and WANT to help people.

Michelle

Tandarat wrote:

From what I was able to gather from poking around on the internet, Mottweiler looks to me to be a kind of "spokesperson" or "mouthpiece" for ICSO. He seems to be quoted quite a bit whenever the sheriff's department is involved in the news. He also is called "Inspector" quite a bit...not sure if it is "official" or not, but I don't remember seeing him classified as "deputy"...not knowing the hierarchy at ICSO, I'm not sure of the significance of this, but I assume he would be closer to the equivilent of a "detective" than plain ol' "officer". Does anyone know how active he was in the investigation of Renee's disappearance?(Realitively speaking,of course :P.) It does kind of explain the "consistent" spin the SO's office seems to make on similar cases.

That was my impression of Mottweiler too, although I also I also got the impression that he worked with the coroner in some capacity. I think Mottweiler and Paul Bedell were the most involved in Renee's case, although there could have been some other people working behind the scenes.

Tandarat wrote:

I'd like to hope that, despite all the cr*p that seems to go on there, that at least SOME of the LE down there actually take their job seriously and WANT to help people.
Michelle

I know of a few good ones, and came into contact with some nice officers throughout Josh Loy's case. None are willing to be whistleblowers though- and the "blue wall of silence" is a big problem, since even the good ones will cover up for the bad ones. They also tend to have a high turnover in this area because of the corruption- the good ones quit or switch to a different county. Those in charge blame this on pay/benefit problems, and that may be a factor in some cases but poor morale is too.

Just read in the paper today that the courts have stated that all police officers' names and dates of hire in California must be made public. I'd like to know if that would include former officers, as well. Finding some of the guys who left the area who were very disheartened *MAY* be willing to talk more about what went on, if not who. Would love to talk to some retired officers who did not like what was happening in Inyo.

As for protecting the identities of the baddies...that, in many cases, is just plain self preservation. I've known some people in LE, and heard horror stories of officers who blew the whistle being set up to go into very dangerous situations, back ups not arriving, etc. I can't blame the good guys for keeping their mouths shut. As mouthy and loud as I can be about injustices, I'd have a hard time speaking up in a situation I knew could affect me or my family that way. Getting fired or looked over for a promotion is one thing, but dying or not being able to get help for a family member which could prove fatal is entirely another. And you know how sloppy those darned dispatchers are in Inyo...just can't seem to find good help anymore....:P.

Michelle

Ahem. For those who read in monotone...please insert sarcasm into those last couple of sentences :).

Ha ha! I love that. Reminds me of something I saw online recently, some questions and answers posted on The Awful Truth's website:

7 - According to the Dept. of Justice, what was the probability that a cop would die on the job in 1998:

Answer - 1 in 4,613


8 - According to the Dept. of labor, what was the probability that a fisherman would die on the job in 1998:

Answer - 1 in 718

http://www.theawfultruth.com/dumbcop/answers....

That's great news, about information regarding the police becoming public! I hope they will eventually make complaints and internal investigations public too, right now it's very much a "trust me" situation in which nothing changes.

Here's an article about the recent decision by the courts: http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/08/28/ap4...

This quote struck me as funny:

"Duane Reno, who represented the Oakland police officers argued that publicizing the salaries would open the employees to unwanted sales calls.

'Unfortunately the Supreme Court didn't feel that was a big enough invasion of privacy,' Reno said."

That's probably one of the most ridiculous arguments I have ever heard.

I thought that was kinda funny too. Maybe they should just sign up for the National Do Not Call list like the rest of us poor slobs.

The ONLY thing I could see as an issue is that if individual names are posted, and someone with a real grudge had the intelligence and skills to find an officer's home address and phone number, and maybe that of the officer's family. However, since I would assume that anyone with a grudge would have the officer's name anyway, or could easily obtain it.

As for identity theft....without an SS it would be difficult, anyway. If they are concerned about that, rounding the number of the salaries to the nearest dollar, or, heck,$1,000 shouldn't be too much of an issue. I don't see why journalists would have an issue with that.

I don't know why Oakland LE is whining about it anyway. Shoot...they have a huge banner over 880 advertising their need for more officers...in huge letters at the bottom it states, "Salaries beginning at $69,000/year" So you know darn well that most cops make more than that anyway. It really isn't THAT much in the bay area, anyway...especially when you consider the city (think of probably 75% of the city as one big CONDENSED version of south L.A., with tiny enclaves of nice areas sprinkled throughout, making very little of the city truly "safe", and violence has soared in recent years). Also, OPD has a reputation of being one of THE most corrupt departments in the country. My "sources" pretty much said that the non-corrupt cops generally try to get out as quickly as possible for the very reasons I had stated previously. In fact, most of the incidents I had been told about occured in the OPD.

Personally, I believe that an officer's record of conduct, including all the information collected during any investigations and the outcome of the investigation, including any dissenting views. This record should FOLLOW the officer when he/she changes departments. Accolades should be treated the same way (usually are anyway, I would guess...at least I'm pretty sure a police officer would want to tout these things...)

In fact, I feel the same for any civil servant. If you choose a field in which the general public must entrust you with their welfare...essentially their safety and possibly their very lives, you open yourself up to a higher level of scrutiny. I don't care if I'm walking into a doctor's office or being pulled over by a traffic cop, I'd like to have the choice of researching the person's history of conduct in their profession...good AND bad. Is that really asking too much?

Of course, I also firmly believe that DNA samples should be taken from everyone at birth, as much to help identify a kidnapped child or the remains of someond found in a ditch as to catch a rapist. My attitude is that if you don't have anything to hide, why not? So, maybe I'm not the best person to ask when it comes to LE privacy. And to think I'm considered a liberal....hmph. Go figure.

Michelle