Ohio Supreme Court Rules Smoking Ban Constitutional

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pops wrote:

Another example case is the behavior of tobacco companies. Until congress got involved & persued perjury charges, their CEO's, executive brds etc just continued business as usual.

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pops wrote:

<quoted text>Exactly my point. You just expounded on it. Thank you. Except for the slippery slope.

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pops wrote:

So I repeat, where will it end? When does the nanny/marxist state end.

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Hugh Jass wrote:

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Let's see, now,~3000 American citizens died in the 9/11 attack. The work of people who viewed themselves as standing up for a people too thoroughly dispossessed that they have no country, no army, and yet need to resist what was being done to them as a people. WAR!
Now, over 400,000 American citizens a year are killed by tobacco products. That's one 9/11's worth every three days or so. The work of a corporation and its executives who view their wealth as more important than the lives of all those other people. What's that you say? "Hands off?" "Doing something about that is an attack on freedom?"
You make me sick.
Do you have any idea how loudly I think we should be cheering when FOX news shows footage of special forces units putting bullets into those tobacco execs?

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pops wrote:

<quoted text>Not sure if this is applicable but I had my 'tubes' tied after 3 kids because I couldn't afford any more. One is a very fine auto mechanic, one has been in the navy for 9 yrs with 5 to go on this hitch & one is in college to be a psychologist. I think that I did OK. And I got food stamps twice in my life. Once for 1 month & once for 2 months. The key is AID NOT SUPPORT. Glad that the AID was there when I needed it.
Proud of it!!!

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Need A Light wrote:

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"380,000 U.S. deaths yearly due to smoking" this is the figure stated in one board on Topix. You write (Now, over 400,000 American citizens a year are killed by tobacco products. That's one 9/11's worth every three days or so.) This is consistent with your inflationary statistical mindset.

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Hugh Jass wrote:

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Actually, this is consistent with forgetting about a recent "update" that made my figure high, rather than low. Also, the article offering THAT figure is all about what happens when you manipulate statistics. It may or may not be a valid "update" and is, at any rate, "one board on Topix".
Still, going with that figure, that's 127 9/11s a year--which is STILL more than one every three days, which means my ending assertion is STILL low--which IS, by the way, consistent with "my inflationary statistical mindset", because I DO tend to be conservative in such statements. I recalled the annual figure as being somewhat above 400,000, and rounded down.

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Hugh Jass wrote:

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Even after the RICO conviction they still haven't changed appreciably. As one of their execs said after they were required to disband the Tobacco Institute and such, all the law was going to be able to do was make them change the signs on the doors. Everything else would just go along as it always had.

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Hugh Jass wrote:

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Which slippery slope would that be? One of these?
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slip...
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/slipslop.html
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/...
http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/ss.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slop...
We getting through to you yet?

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ItsAFact wrote:

<quoted text> The best part is getting your tubes tied. Unfortunately you had 3 kids first.

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pops wrote:

<quoted text>Sorry Jass. I opened 4 of these at random & did see that those applied to my question of 'where does it end?' Mainly because they all claimed that in a slippery slope scenerio that I was claiming an inevitability of events & I am not & didn't mean to if I posted something that would lead to that misunderstanding.
I DO see a distinct possabilty with all of the many efforts for sugar, salt, popcorn & more,I mention these as warning flags, NOT certaintees. BUT I also believe that any sequence of events can be interrupted/ended.

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pops wrote:

<quoted text> Sorry Jass, I donot ignore the possibility that some people will alter their behavior because of laws. I mentioned something like that being immeasurable which I still believe that is. It exist but is immeasurable. NOT to say insignificant, just immeasurable.
BUT wiyhout a record of punishing crimes, more people would ignore such legislation.

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pops wrote:

<quoted text>I don't believe that you deserved the 'judgements' on this post. You reported an undeniable truth as far as my recolection goes.

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pops wrote:

"Frisbee"]
Then ANYONE that enters a bar or somewhere else that allows smoking is CHOOSING to poison themselves just as the smoker. NO problem. To simplify The bottom line of YOUR post is "CHOICE" that each has or should make of their OWN Free Will.

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Lightbulb Moment wrote:

<quoted text> I'm a Troll from WhineAPig who say garbage like thay to everyone.

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Frisbee wrote:

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Except that in order for that to work, that person DOESN'T get to choose to go wherever he pleases in public.

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pops wrote:

<quoted text>Wish that I had a chance to 'judge' this post because if I had I would have judged it as funny. You don't know my 3 sons so such a statement by you says more about you than me OR my boys. FYI, My 1st is one of the finest auto & truck mechanics that you have NEVER met. He's a natural & very passionate about every engine from mowers to Mack trucks.
The 2nd son has been in the Navy for 10 yrs now & has 4 more yrs to go on this enlistment. He also volunteered for training for ground combat & was part of the 30,000 surge on the ground in Afghanistan. We should ALL feel safer with him AND those like him that serve.
My 3rd son is in his 3rd yr towards a phd to be a psychologist because he wants to work with vets that have PTSD & or with families.
With me knowing this, Knowing MY sons & YOU NOT knowing, I would judge your post as FUNNY

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Hugh Jass wrote:

<quoted text>Kyboy wrote, "
ASC three goals.
Printing publications - brochures
The American Cancer Society has established three integrated goals to reduce the global burden of cancer:
• Make cancer control a political and public health priority. According to the World Health Organization, noncommunicable diseases (NCDs)– such as cancer, heart disease and diabetes – claim more lives each year and account for about 60% of the world’s deaths. About 28 million (80%) of the people who die live in low- and middle-income countries, yet less than 1% of private and public funding for health is allocated to preventing and controlling cancer in these areas. The Society has become actively involved in working withsmoke-free environments. The partners on this project actively advocate for further tobacco control resources in sub-Saharan Africa and help establish mechanisms to protect existing laws from tobacco industry efforts to overturn them.
• Increase awareness about the burden of cancer and its leading risk factor, tobacco use. The Society continues to work with global partners to increase awareness about the growing global cancer and tobacco burdens and their impact on low- and middle-income countries. In addition to print publications, the American Cancer Society provides cancer information to millions of individuals throughout the world on its Web site, cancer.org . More than 20% of the visitors to the Web site come from outside the US. Information is currently available in English, Spanish, Mandarin, and several other Asian languages, with plans to include more languages in
the near future. For more information on the global cancer burden, visit the Society’s Global Health program Web site at cancer.org/international and see the following intramural research program publications available on cancer.org :"

That would be a "NO", right?

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Frisbee wrote:

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Except that in order for that to work, that person DOESN'T get to choose to go wherever he pleases in public.