The Dangers of Chiropractic

OK wisdom I will refresh your memory and remind you of my challenge to you. Here was my orginal post to the FAKE chiropractic expert

OK wisdom claims to be the chiropractic expert? Well wisdom let us see just how much you know about the practice of chiropractic?

So wisdom can a Chiropractor diagnosis Asthma? Can they diagnosis Hypertension? Can they diagnosis viseral conditions? Can they diagnosis diabetes? Can they diagnosis cardiac conditions? Neurological conditions? If a patient presented clinically with pneumonia, could a Chiropractor diagnosis it and could they take a chest film to confirm the diagnosis? Can a Chiropractor diagnosis epilepsy?

I want to hear the facts wisdom, not your opinions/hearsay? What does the law allow Chiropractors do diagnosis? I want you to be honest with me about this. Can you do that? Let us see just how much you know about what Chiropractors are legally allowed to do and not do? From what I read in your posts you seem scared to answer these type of questions. Let us have it Mr. Chiropractic Expert?

What are Chiropractors not allowed to diagnosis wisdom, excluding cancer?

I do not want to here your OPINION or HEARSAY or rambling, I want to see if you really are a chiropractic expert.

Also don' throw in the "It depends on the State they practice" scapegoat. Can you do that. Let us say we use Connecticut as an example.

We will see just how much wisdom or his partner nuggin knows?

Before you call anyone "fake" mr. chiropractor, maybe you should stick to using just one name.

Well, you are a chiropractor after all.

By the way, those questions that you posed were a duplicate of the ones you posted on another blog. Go there to find my answers.

I'll cut and paste to make it easy for you.

Self proclaimed chiropractor "natural" asks, " So wisdom can a Chiropractor diagnosis Asthma?" NO, they are not qualified,

"Can they diagnosis Hypertension?" Some can take blood pressure readings. Most never do the necessary followup readings to make a diagnosis of hypertension.

" Can they diagnosis viseral conditions? Can they diagnosis diabetes? Can they diagnosis cardiac conditions?" NO, no and no.

" Neurological conditions?" Some are able to diagnose uncomplicated disorders such as sciatica and muscle weakness.

" If a patient presented clinically with pneumonia, could a Chiropractor diagnosis it and could they take a chest film to confirm the diagnosis?" No, they are not qualified.

" Can a Chiropractor diagnosis epilepsy?" NO.

And here's why mr. chirpractor ......

Before they graduate from chiropractic school, chiropractors do NOT examine, diagnose, or treat any patients with serious illnesses or diseases. Period. The typical chiropractic graduate see perhaps, 10 or 20 "patients" with limited and uncomplicated back and neck strains and other self limiting conditions. Many of those patients are friends and family members that help the student meet his graduation requirements.

I mean get real, chiropractors are NOT qualified, by any stretch or your imagination, to diagnose any serious condition or illness.

And quite frankly, there is NO chiropractic technique that has been shown to be more effective than placebo.

State laws require that you have expert training before making a diagnosis and/or treating a specific condition. You have not been adequately trained to diagnose any illness.

Remember, i've been to your chiropractic schools and to you student clinics. I know the training you get/got there. It is pathetic. Period.

You want to claim you are able to diagnose all those conditions you listed above? Are you really that full of crap?

Now empty your chiropractic diaper.

I will get to the point wisdom as you are wrong? You lie yet again

OK everyone I posed a specific question to wisdom and his side kick. It was strait forward about a Chiropractors ability to diagnosis. I asked them to not include personal opninions or hearsay. As you can see above they are very immature and are not Chiropractic experts as you will see below the facts. I asked them to use CT as an example
HERE IS THE STATE LAW OF CT

Sec. 20-28. Examination. Scope of practice.(a) The examination provided for in section 20-27 shall consist of both a written and practical examination. The subjects of the written examination shall be as follows: Anatomy, physiology, symptomatology, histology, vertebral palpation, principles of chiropractic and adjusting, chemistry, hygiene, pathology, dietetics and diagnosis. The national board tests of the National Board of Chiropractic Examiners may be accepted as the written examination provided it includes physiotherapy. The practical examination shall require the candidate to demonstrate clinical competency in basic chiropractic principles and procedures, including orthopedics, neurology, diagnosis, x-ray, vertebral palpation and adjustment.

(b) Any chiropractor who has complied with the provisions of this chapter may:

(1) Practice chiropractic as defined in section 20-24, but shall not prescribe for or administer to any person any medicine or drug included in materia medica, except vitamins, or perform any surgery or practice obstetrics or osteopathy;

(2) Examine, analyze and diagnose the human living body and its diseases, and use for diagnostic purposes the x-ray or any other general method of examination for diagnosis and analysis taught in any school or college of chiropractic which has been recognized and approved by the State Board of Chiropractic Examiners;

(the above states that Chiropractors can legally diagnosis ANY DISEASE ANY ANY ANY)excluding cancer

(3) Treat the human body by manual, mechanical, electrical or natural methods, including acupuncture, or by use of physical means, including light, heat, water or exercise in preparation for chiropractic adjustment or manipulation, and by the oral administration of foods, food concentrates, food extracts or vitamins;

(4) Administer first aid and, incidental to the care of the sick, advise and instruct patients in all matters pertaining to hygiene and sanitary measures as taught and approved by recognized chiropractic schools and colleges.

As you can see wisdom and nuggin are emotional side kicks who BETTER GO GET ME MY COFFEE

CHECKMATE I WILL YOU LOOSE WISDOM aahahahahhaahhahahah TELL ME how does it feel to get caught hahahahahahah

Checkmate. Hmmmmm? I just exposed the fact that chiropractors never examine those illnesses or treat those illnesses or get ANY clinical experience seeing those types of patients before they graduate and you say "checkmate"?

Ha Ha

You know, the law generally says that MDs can diagnose any condition and perform any type of surgery.

But the fact of the matter is, if they do not have the necessary expertise and experience in a particular procedure, they are NOT qualified to perform that procedure. Legally and ethically.

You chiropractors really are a bizarre bunch. says the chiropractors, "we don't need no stink'n experience, we're qualified because we say we're qualified".

But if you think that "you won" something? Well, its a free country. You're free to be ignorant.

However, I am here to help expose the chiropractic scam. Glad to do it. And thanks to all the chiropractors here who have helped me.

I'm just hoping that some of the state lawmaker will open their eyes and help clean up the chiropractic diaper.

I know. I know. We all know. I failed in practice and now I have to blame it on Life and Sid. Well, can you blame me?

Thank you Thank you wisdom, you finally figured out who your daddy is "NATURAL" meaning ME

Now your next learning session will begin shortly but please be on time this round

As you can see, wisdom was wrong about the law, he provided HEARSAY, I provided EVIDENCE

Now that is why we all know that chiropractors really do examine and treat really sick patients while doing clincial rounds in Chiropractic college of the VA or other hospitals

Thank you wisdom you are finally coming around GOOD BOY

Wisdom wrote:

Checkmate. Hmmmmm? I just exposed the fact that chiropractors never examine those illnesses or treat those illnesses or get ANY clinical experience seeing those types of patients before they graduate and you say "checkmate"?
Ha Ha
You know, the law generally says that MDs can diagnose any condition and perform any type of surgery.
But the fact of the matter is, if they do not have the necessary expertise and experience in a particular procedure, they are NOT qualified to perform that procedure. Legally and ethically.
You chiropractors really are a bizarre bunch. says the chiropractors, "we don't need no stink'n experience, we're qualified because we say we're qualified".
But if you think that "you won" something? Well, its a free country. You're free to be ignorant.
However, I am here to help expose the chiropractic scam. Glad to do it. And thanks to all the chiropractors here who have helped me.
I'm just hoping that some of the state lawmaker will open their eyes and help clean up the chiropractic diaper.

Hey, Allen. Yeah, you Wisdom. Hey Allen, did it take you a whole year to fail in practice or just a few months? There are conflicting stories. Or maybe a better way to phrase this: Did you quit chiropractic before or after you ratted on your employer who was nice enough to give you a good job (before you ratted on him). Well, gotta go. Bye Allen.

Well, besides the fact that this chiropractor is quite paranoid, he likes to say I am someone who I am not. Well, so be it.

But I do like the fact that this chiropractor has admitted that life chiro school is but another quack factory which has turned out failed chiropractors who engage in bogus treatments.

The chiropractic diaper must be emptied.

Glad you're reading chirotalk though.

Wisdom wrote:

Well, besides the fact that this chiropractor is quite paranoid, he likes to say I am someone who I am not. Well, so be it.
But I do like the fact that this chiropractor has admitted that life chiro school is but another quack factory which has turned out failed chiropractors who engage in bogus treatments.
The chiropractic diaper must be emptied.
Glad you're reading chirotalk though.

Hi Allen! Good morning Allen!! How are you??? Fine, I hope.
Chiropractors help tens of thousands of people each day get out of pain and improve their health. Now, you as the chiropractic expert should know this since you're, well, so brilliant--especially when it comes to business. I know you lasted at least three months in business before you had to close your doors. Tsk. Tsk. Too bad. Chiropractic can use an expert like you. You're a valuable man. But Allen, please don't keep blaming Sid and Life just because you failed so miserably in practice. I mean, really, a man like Sid, who loves to have fun, barbecue, and the Braves, really should be getting a break. And you, a brilliant scholar and chiropractic expert should give him that break.
Well Allen, got to go. Oh, and have a nice day. I'm sure you'll do just fine in your anger management class. You really don't need to be so jealous of chiropractors. But if you are, I would keep bashing chiropractic since you were unable to make a go of it. Keep bashing chiropractic, Allen, your mental therapist would approve. Also get one of those padded bats and start whacking things--it will help you with your anger issues.
Well, gotta go to work. Bu-Bye, Allen. Bu-Bye!!

FraudPolice wrote:

Well, gotta go to work. Bu-Bye, Allen. Bu-Bye!!

Still posting under different names and claiming you've got a job I see.

Why is it that despite running around over 4-5 different threads you still haven't answered even the most basic questions about chiropractic care or the sideline "medicines" that many chiros sell?

Is it because you don't know?

Kinda ironic since you claim to be a chiro yourself, but then again when we called your bluff on that you changed names, didn't you?

Guess it's time for you to change names again. Maybe you can try posing as me again. That was a stellar example of your honesty.

Nuggin such a cry baby. I think he needs his buddy wisdom to change his diaper for him.

Nuggin needs to get to a PCP DC quickly.

Oh joy, look you changed your name again.

Surprise surprise.

Oh so convincing

Wadda ya say we all get a fund together to help Allen, er, wisdom. He is a loser, a liar, and a fraud. Allen failed miserably in practice and is not spitting mad; spitting angry; spitting jealous. Yes, Allen, er, wisdom is jealous of successful chiropractors.
Well, back to my successful chiropractic practice. Bye bye, Allen, er wisdom. Bu-bye.

Wisdom wrote:

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Yes, this is all terrific news to me. It's what I've been telling you all along. Now do you believe me?? Huh? Huh? Huh?
Chiropractic has made my life miserable. I couldn't make it in practice and now I must try to destroy the chiropractic enterprise. I am the ultimate chiropractic expert so I should know. Do NOT visit chiropractors! Especially don't patronize any of my friends from Life who are making enormous incomes while I failed so miserably. Yes, I know chiropractors have helped millions of people and still do every day. But for some reason I just didn't have the talent to make it in business. And I'm angry. Very angry. You would be too if you were the laughing stock of your so called 'friends' from college.
The article above is very good news to me. Read it then read it again. I love it! It will explain step by step why I failed so quickly in business and justifies my position here. Please read it again and again. I AM the chiropractic expert. Deal with it. Now empty your diaper.

Maybe it's not a lack of talent, or ability to heal; maybe you just didn't drink the kool-aid and decided to not make it a smoke and mirrors show. I worked for a guy who was more into the marketing and the money. Very unfortunate that it clouds the true purpose of healing.

Careful EX CA.

You are on a non-registered account.

I give it about 5 more minutes before FraudPolice/Midwest Chiro/Whatever other names he uses logs in as you and posts something to contradict you.

If you scroll up you'll notice that there are a number of "Wisdom" posts from an aol account.

Apparently "FraudPolice" is meant to be ironic

Nuggin wrote:

Careful EX CA.
You are on a non-registered account.
I give it about 5 more minutes before FraudPolice/Midwest Chiro/Whatever other names he uses logs in as you and posts something to contradict you.
If you scroll up you'll notice that there are a number of "Wisdom" posts from an aol account.
Apparently "FraudPolice" is meant to be ironic

Sorry. Not making a judgement call on the entire Chiropractic community. I come from a medical background, and no one was more skeptical than I was about chiropractic. I believe it is beneficial when used in conjunction with proper medical care provided by your family doctor; like acupuncture, or other alternatice medicine modalities are sometimes used in conjunction with medical treatment. Unfortunately, SOME not ALL Chiropractors get caught up and start to care more about the money than their patients healing. There are alot of really good reputable chiropractors out there who really care about their patient's health and healing. So, Fraud Police, save it for someone you have a legit beef with. It's not me.

Ex CA wrote:

<quoted text>Sorry. Not making a judgement call on the entire Chiropractic community. I come from a medical background, and no one was more skeptical than I was about chiropractic. I believe it is beneficial when used in conjunction with proper medical care provided by your family doctor; like acupuncture, or other alternatice medicine modalities are sometimes used in conjunction with medical treatment. Unfortunately, SOME not ALL Chiropractors get caught up and start to care more about the money than their patients healing. There are alot of really good reputable chiropractors out there who really care about their patient's health and healing. So, Fraud Police, save it for someone you have a legit beef with. It's not me.

My issue is more with the chiros who make claims they can't back up.

If a chiro says he can temporarily fix lower back pain - great. I bet he can.

I have a problem with chiros who say they can fix ADHD, deafness, IBS, etc - stuff not related to back pain.

Nuggin said "I have a problem with chiros who say they can fix ADHD, deafness, IBS, etc - stuff not related to back pain"

Well nuggin, no one really cares what you think. Who do you think you are? Give me a break and get a life and REAL job

Luke wrote:

Nuggin said "I have a problem with chiros who say they can fix ADHD, deafness, IBS, etc - stuff not related to back pain"
Well nuggin, no one really cares what you think. Who do you think you are? Give me a break and get a life and REAL job

Oh look, yet another name. You really can't seem to settle on one, can you?

As we've discussed at length, I've got a real job. A very good one.

And as for "no one really cares", you've spent the better part of two months logging into 5-6 different accounts to try and discredit me. Obviously YOU care a great deal.

Of course, despite all your lies and fraudulent posts (or perhaps because of them) you've never once managed to mention anything which even approaches an explanation for how chiro or homeopathy are actually supposed to achieve the things they claim they can achieve.

Seems to me that's a simple enough problem to solve if they are telling the truth. Oh, wait, that's the problem, isn't it?