Atlantic City to vote on partial casino smoking ban

whitigo wrote:

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Are you going to rebut any of his claims or just rely on the good old standby ad hominem attack.
If it is truly "bogus bile crap" it should be effortless for a superior intelect like you to refute.

Wake up wrote:

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It ain't worth my time to refute him. If I say the sky is blue he'll come up with some bogus crap that it ain't. And the funny thing - he'll believe it.

Bill Heyer wrote:

I'm not a smoker but, they banned smoking in public places, here, in the Garden State; that included all restaurants and bars. To make it a level playing field, they should've banned smoking in gambling casinos, as well, but the politicians wimped out. What else is new; no cajones, no spines.

Jord wrote:

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There is no such thing as a "level playing field" Thas communist speak.. We strive on competition.. We need the upper hand on our competition. Having bars go smoking or non smoking based on their choice to conpete for business is the right way to go.. Not gov't regulation..

JerseysBEST wrote:

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New USA study shows 20% of women with lung cancer NEVER smoked...
http://allafrica.com/stories/200702130489.htm ...
You believe if you keep saying it everyone will believe it. NOT

non smoker wrote:

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Does that mean that you think "whites only" bars are ok if the bar owner and all the customers want it that way?

Jord wrote:

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So are you comparing smokers to a segmented group that should be protected? Or are you comparing a "smoking premitted" bar as IMMORAL as a "whites only" bar. Either way, where ever you are going with your agrument is just going to come out idiotic, so I reccomend you do what you will eventually do anyway.. switch gears with your circular arguments...

non smoker wrote:

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Your whole argument is that if a bar owner and his customers agree to run the bar how they see fit, they should be allowed to whether it harms others, themselves or not.
I guess that's not your argument anymore.
If you want me to be more politically correct, pretend it's a "men only" bar. Does that offend you less?

Jord wrote:

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HUH? We were not talking about my argument.. talking baout yours... I do not believe in MEN only bar either.. Again.. I think disrimination is immoral.

non smoker wrote:

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You and others have argued that it's up to the owner and customers to decide on who is allowed in a bar, not the govt. That if they want to make a bar smoking only, they should be allowed.

Jord wrote:

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Yes... if you quoted the rest of my comment I say just that..
Name 3

JerseysBEST wrote:

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Japan has NO smoking restrictions and they have a higher life expetancy than the USA and Europe, where there are smoking laws.
Today it is 85 for women and 78 for men. Japanese women live, on average, more than five years longer than those in the United States. Japanese men have more than four years on those in America. The number of centenarians in Japan has doubled in the past five years, and now stands at just over 20,000.
AND one of every four people smoke in Japan.
In the USA today the life expectancy is 77 years olf
full post
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/09/108 ...
I though you said SMOKING KILLS, OH YEA ONLY AMERICANS>.. hehehe

non smoker wrote:

You can find all the sources you want.
John Hopkins -
http://www.hopkinskimmelcancercenter.org/CANC...
Center for Disease Control -
http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/lung/basic_info/ris...
I could list 50 more reputable sites here.
I suppose I will see some lame post about someones 153 year old grandma that smoked 4 packs a day and never got cancer to refute this. HAHA

History Buff wrote:

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Many of us know that reports and studies that originate with funding by the RWJF are considered inaccurate. Grant money is to prove the goal.

non smoker wrote:

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Then why is it not ok for a bar owner and customers to decide who can come into the bar if they all agree?
It's nice how you are selective in your discrimination.

Jord wrote:

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I never said that non smokers CANT.. they can choose not to because of the atmosphere. I do not go to rave clubs.. atmosphere is not what I like.. Get it?
3 names please

non smoker wrote:

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Smokers are allowed into bars today. So your point is moot. Do you want the names of my relatives and friends that died from cigarette smoke?

Jord wrote:

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I want names of 3 people that died from Second Hand Smoke...