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Smoking harms moms and their unborn children

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Oct 27, 2006
 
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Smoking rates have declined by almost 50%; exposure to SHS has dramatically decreased over the last 20 years..........so explain to me why so many children have asthma? Surely you are not suggesting that the hour a week they might be exposed to SHS in a restaurant is the cause? THINK. Baby boomers born to smoking parents in a time when exposure was everywhere and pretty constant, did NOT have the rate of asthma that kids today (with little to no exposure) have. EXPLAIN THAT.
Stop asking questions like that. You know there are no answers that fit into the anti-smokers viewpoint and thus will dutifully be ignored.

Anyway, personally I don't think a great deal of people who smoke (or drink) whilst pregnant, although admit if it was 2 a day I don't think it would bother me even if it was my child she was carrying.
However, the REAL point is... it's none of my damn business. If we could teach people the difference between their own business and other people's business we'd all get along famously.
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#42
Oct 27, 2006
 
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Talk to a Vet. They will tell you the facts. However, smokers do not understand facts. Most can't even read. If they could read and understand what they read, they would not have to be told not to smoke. Also, I do understand we need smokers, how else will we weed out (no pun) losers!
Really? Then explain please, since I'm sure you have actually read all the studies done by the EPA, the World Health Organization, and the 727 page report the Surgeon General supposedly based his media announcement on, how come none of those reports actually back up the claims being plastered all over the news, tv, radio, internet? I mean, you being so literate and non-smoking and all, surely you are NOT going to suggest that those reports that show ONLY a slight increase in risk; no definitive connection to cause or death; actually are wrong now are you?

Here's a question for you: Have you actually READ the studies, or did you just believe the news blast?

Do the research, you might be surprised at how literate smokers really are.
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#43
Oct 27, 2006
 
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You want to play the innocent act or the blame game. Well let me tell all you smokers something. I smoked for 16 years and used all your excuses. I smoked while I was pregnate for my 1st born. And you want to know something. He has learning disabilities all around. I regret smoking with him. Don't you dare tell me it had nothing to do with it. I went to a conferance for special needs children and there was a brain specialist there, and he stated that with parents who smoke during and after pregnacny, there children will have noticable learning disibilities by the age of 7-10 years of age. Do you really want to be that selfish for a ciggerate. Find another way to relief your stress and don't take it out on your child by smoking that ciggerate. Their lives are depending on you. And I have not had a ciggerate in over 5 years now. And it was not easy to quit but I thought of my children instead of my self.
Sorry, but I have to say it..........BULLSHIT

I smoked before, during and after with my son and that boy is perfectly healthy with normal learning abilities and NO brain damage at all. I met a doctor years ago who was in the the smoking studies done back in the 50s and 60s and he told us mothers that the tests were biased because the smoking mothers to be were all low-income with poor diets and limited pre-natal care, and the non-smoking mothers to be were all from the upper class with good diets and excellent pre-natal care, and he said the worst thing that could be stated was lower birth weight but even then there was no real proof as the smoking mothers all had poor diets to start with and that diet played into birth weight more than anything else.

I'm sorry about your son, my son does have a physical defect not associated with smoking or anything else, just a freak occurance, so I understand the pain associated with our children having problems. By the way, the doctor I mentioned above I met when he came to speak to us mothers of children with birth defects, and he also had 2 children born with defects who had died. So, I tend to believe him, as he was searching for answers for his own children too.

Too many healthy babies have been born and continue to be born to women who have smoked or do smoke, for me to believe that smoking, and smoking alone, is the cause of these issues. If this were true, there would be NO baby boomers, or at least not enough to be classified as "boomers" as we were all born during a time when most people smoked and we were also constantly exposed to SHS growing up.

There are far too many other confounders to pin problems on any one thing, unless it has been proven beyond a doubt to be a sole cause (and in the case of smoking/SHS, THAT just has not happened yet).
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#44
Oct 27, 2006
 
AZ_smoker, I am a non smoker, although I support smokers rights. I readilly admit I havent read the studies, and I do work in a research environment. Studies can be done in a manner that tilt them toward desired results. The EPA is not trustworthy, as a whole, in part because they are politically motivated to a degree, and the balance is incompetance. This comes from working on projects involving them, although they are lots better today. The world health organization is not trustworthy either. The world health organization hides the truth about aids, from the world. Theirs is also politically motivated, and if the truth got out, it could be panic. In many ways, they are like a great many government beaurocrats, that think the common public cant handle the truth. Every one of these studies are done by groups who usually have an opinion, or bet riding on the outcome. All I can offer is opinion, and you have yours. No problem with that. Logic tells me it could hurt, but like the link of smoking to cancer, all the studies there are flawed and biased also. Sooner or later some study will shed light, and hopefully soon.
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Really? Then explain please, since I'm sure you have actually read all the studies done by the EPA, the World Health Organization, and the 727 page report the Surgeon General supposedly based his media announcement on, how come none of those reports actually back up the claims being plastered all over the news, tv, radio, internet? I mean, you being so literate and non-smoking and all, surely you are NOT going to suggest that those reports that show ONLY a slight increase in risk; no definitive connection to cause or death; actually are wrong now are you?
Here's a question for you: Have you actually READ the studies, or did you just believe the news blast?
Do the research, you might be surprised at how literate smokers really are.
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#45
Oct 27, 2006
 
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Studies can be done in a manner that tilt them toward desired results. The EPA is not trustworthy, as a whole, in part because they are politically motivated to a degree, and the balance is incompetance. This comes from working on projects involving them, although they are lots better today. The world health organization is not trustworthy either. The world health organization hides the truth about aids, from the world. Theirs is also politically motivated, and if the truth got out, it could be panic. In many ways, they are like a great many government beaurocrats, that think the common public cant handle the truth. Every one of these studies are done by groups who usually have an opinion, or bet riding on the outcome. All I can offer is opinion, and you have yours. No problem with that. Logic tells me it could hurt, but like the link of smoking to cancer, all the studies there are flawed and biased also. Sooner or later some study will shed light, and hopefully soon.
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Exactly!! AND that is my point..........the world health organization's own study does NOT support their claims. The EPAs study was debunked in court. And yet, these are the same organizations that people quote, because they don't read the reports just the press releases.

ETS in bars and restaurants falls way below safe levels approved by OSHA. Yet, it is the ETS in bars and restaurants that these organizations claim are killing people (though I've never witnessed anyone dropping dead in a restaurant or bar from anything let alone SHS).

I think non-smokers do have a right to smoke free bars and restaurants. I just don't agree that they need ALL of them to be smoke free, the majority of them yes (as the majority of the population are non-smokers), but not all.
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#46
Oct 29, 2006
 
that was back in the 50's and 60's, there is so much more research today. That the people don't know because the tobacco companies don't want you to know. The research that is done today compared to years ago is a lot more advanced. And as for the Brain surgain I saw at this conferance, he has a chold with the same problems, I wosh I would remember the book he wrote about it. He wanted to let others know what the real truth is. And it is people like you who will not listen and keep smoking. There are so many stuborn people out there who do not want to listen. I am just glad I am one of the ones who finally listened. I also have a friend who is pregnant. she is also at high risk. She has been pregnate(5x). Lost all of them so far. Her boyfriend smokes. I have showed him and told him the facts on smoking, His response to me was the same as yours, he wouldn't even go outside and smoke. he thinks that he should not have to. Even though there are 4 adults and to children in the home and he is the only one that smokes.(It is not even his house)Why take the risk of hurting yourself or others. Just for that one addicting little ciggerate.
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Sorry, but I have to say it..........BULLSHIT
I smoked before, during and after with my son and that boy is perfectly healthy with normal learning abilities and NO brain damage at all. I met a doctor years ago who was in the the smoking studies done back in the 50s and 60s and he told us mothers that the tests were biased because the smoking mothers to be were all low-income with poor diets and limited pre-natal care, and the non-smoking mothers to be were all from the upper class with good diets and excellent pre-natal care, and he said the worst thing that could be stated was lower birth weight but even then there was no real proof as the smoking mothers all had poor diets to start with and that diet played into birth weight more than anything else.
I'm sorry about your son, my son does have a physical defect not associated with smoking or anything else, just a freak occurance, so I understand the pain associated with our children having problems. By the way, the doctor I mentioned above I met when he came to speak to us mothers of children with birth defects, and he also had 2 children born with defects who had died. So, I tend to believe him, as he was searching for answers for his own children too.
Too many healthy babies have been born and continue to be born to women who have smoked or do smoke, for me to believe that smoking, and smoking alone, is the cause of these issues. If this were true, there would be NO baby boomers, or at least not enough to be classified as "boomers" as we were all born during a time when most people smoked and we were also constantly exposed to SHS growing up.
There are far too many other confounders to pin problems on any one thing, unless it has been proven beyond a doubt to be a sole cause (and in the case of smoking/SHS, THAT just has not happened yet).
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#47
Oct 29, 2006
 
Smoking causes cancer. Period. Look into the face of someone dying of lung cancer, as I have, and please stop smoking - it just isn't worth it. I'm not here to argue with anyone - I am just appealing to those of you who smoke to please stop. You will feel better, and likely save your life in the process.
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#48
Oct 29, 2006
 
I agree with someone else who noted that you have made at least 4 bad life choices already. You are uneducated, as indicated by your spelling/grammar. You should have paid attention in High School.
Secondly, you are unmarried and pregnant. That means you are having dangerous sex with no protection, bad choice number 2.
Third, you smoke, a bad life choice regardless of if you are pregnant or not.
Fourth, you are not willing to undergo the pain of quitting smoking for the sake of your unborn child. Yes the child may be OK, but statistically the child will be of low birth weight, and the hundreds of chemical carcinogens the baby is exposed to in the womb cannot be good for it. A bad way to start life, bad choice number 4.
Bad choices like these almost guarantee poverty in the USA. You really have to almost work at being poor in the USA.
I am not a Bible thumper, I am an atheist who recognizes that the Bible is full of bad morality. Check out human sacrifice, condoned in Judges 11,29-39, Kill witches Exodus 22,18, etc. etc. Don't get me started.
Faleto wrote:
Im am 5 to 6 mounths pregnant and feel i have to smoke to keep me on my toes i told my B/F today i am not going to smoke alot ever again now im down to 2 a day starting tomarrow. and happy as can be.
Thanks to God hhim self hes helped alot.
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#49
Oct 29, 2006
 
Rick Meckstroth wrote:
I agree with someone else who noted that you have made at least 4 bad life choices already. You are uneducated, as indicated by your spelling/grammar. You should have paid attention in High School.
Secondly, you are unmarried and pregnant. That means you are having dangerous sex with no protection, bad choice number 2.
Third, you smoke, a bad life choice regardless of if you are pregnant or not.
Fourth, you are not willing to undergo the pain of quitting smoking for the sake of your unborn child. Yes the child may be OK, but statistically the child will be of low birth weight, and the hundreds of chemical carcinogens the baby is exposed to in the womb cannot be good for it. A bad way to start life, bad choice number 4.
Bad choices like these almost guarantee poverty in the USA. You really have to almost work at being poor in the USA.
I am not a Bible thumper, I am an atheist who recognizes that the Bible is full of bad morality. Check out human sacrifice, condoned in Judges 11,29-39, Kill witches Exodus 22,18, etc. etc. Don't get me started.
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Exactly Rick. BUT..you must remember these people do not believe the reports and think smoking (pregnant or not) is fine and healthy. Most cannot even read the studies as well as the warnings on the cig packs.

I guess these people also do not use car seats for the infants and small children. I guess they do not think the safety reports are correct.

Everyone knows regardless of the studies that smoking is NOT healthy.
SO WHY RISK IT?!?!?!?!?!

Also, it is an expensive habit. Many cannot afford to even have kids, still smoke and risk their lives. UNREAL!!

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Oct 30, 2006
 
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Exactly Rick. BUT..you must remember these people do not believe the reports and think smoking (pregnant or not) is fine and healthy. Most cannot even read the studies as well as the warnings on the cig packs.
I guess these people also do not use car seats for the infants and small children. I guess they do not think the safety reports are correct.
Everyone knows regardless of the studies that smoking is NOT healthy.
SO WHY RISK IT?!?!?!?!?!
Also, it is an expensive habit. Many cannot afford to even have kids, still smoke and risk their lives. UNREAL!!
On the contrary, the reports actually do NOT back up all the news media headlines and press releases. YOU might try reading the ACTUAL reports and not just the press releases. Yes, even the SG lied, why do you think he had to resign so suddenly? Unfortunately, they also let his lie stand. Read that 727 page report he supposedly highlighted........NOWHERE in that report will you find anything that resembles what he announced on national TV. So you might actually try reading these reports yourself first before you start calling others illiterate.
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Nov 2, 2006
 
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You've got to be kidding me. You actually think that smoking does not harm your lungs? You think that the black coating on your lung tissue is OK? You think that you are immune to the over 250 carcinogens that are in every puff of tobacco smoke? You think that the statistic of 85% of people contracting lung cancer are smokers is not valid? The data is in. There are over 10,000 rigorous medical reports that link smoking to all sorts of diseases including various cancers.
I respect your right to smoke, but not your ability to make life choice decisions. Get the data. Talk to your doctor.
According to the CDC there's only 60 carcinogens in tobacco smoke and NOT 250. Which throws doubt onto everything else you've said. And only 7 of them, the TSNAs, are taken in at any appreciable dosage.
That said, there's no many smokers who don't realise that smoking is bad for them, but your average smoker shouldn't worry too much about lung cancer and here's why.
A non-smoker has a 99.9% chance of NOT developing lung cancer during their life, compared to a smokers 97.8% chance of NOT developing lung cancer. Yes the studies show there is an increase, but not by very much.

There's so much propoganda surrounding smoking, on both sides, it's hard to find the truth but these days most people are just latching on to soundbites that best suit their world view.
Anti-smoking champions in Scotland claimed that 1000 people each year were dying due to second hand smoke. That figure went unchallenged DESPITE the current ambiguity surrounding second hand smoke studies.
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Nov 2, 2006
 
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And you can do everything right and have an unhealthy baby..........using THAT logic, why bother having them at all? Right?
And if your afraid of every little thing you shouldn't have kids either.
Your judgements work both ways.
I think what is being said is that smoking is something in your control. Why would you risk it...even if your baby may turn out okay? Although I know quitting smoking is hard, risking your child's health so you can smoke is very selfish.
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Nov 2, 2006
 
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Sorry, but I have to say it..........BULLSHIT
I smoked before, during and after with my son and that boy is perfectly healthy with normal learning abilities and NO brain damage at all. I met a doctor years ago who was in the the smoking studies done back in the 50s and 60s and he told us mothers that the tests were biased because the smoking mothers to be were all low-income with poor diets and limited pre-natal care, and the non-smoking mothers to be were all from the upper class with good diets and excellent pre-natal care, and he said the worst thing that could be stated was lower birth weight but even then there was no real proof as the smoking mothers all had poor diets to start with and that diet played into birth weight more than anything else.
I'm sorry about your son, my son does have a physical defect not associated with smoking or anything else, just a freak occurance, so I understand the pain associated with our children having problems. By the way, the doctor I mentioned above I met when he came to speak to us mothers of children with birth defects, and he also had 2 children born with defects who had died. So, I tend to believe him, as he was searching for answers for his own children too.
Too many healthy babies have been born and continue to be born to women who have smoked or do smoke, for me to believe that smoking, and smoking alone, is the cause of these issues. If this were true, there would be NO baby boomers, or at least not enough to be classified as "boomers" as we were all born during a time when most people smoked and we were also constantly exposed to SHS growing up.
There are far too many other confounders to pin problems on any one thing, unless it has been proven beyond a doubt to be a sole cause (and in the case of smoking/SHS, THAT just has not happened yet).
It sounds like you are just justifying yourself. Even if there is less than a 1% chance something might happen...why would you risk your child's health? Is smoking really THAT important to you???
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#56
Nov 2, 2006
 
I used to smoke. I stopped cold turkey 2 years ago when I met the person I want to spend the rest of my life with. He didn't smoke and I was too embarrassed to let him know I did, so I just stopped. Now I can excercise without my chest hurting and for a lot longer, my skin looks amazingly better, my hair actually smells clean, and so do my clothes. Our home smells like a home, not a bar. My teeth are white. I only wish I hadn't wasted 12 years of good health with a filthy habit. When I see people smoking now, I think they look ridiculous. Even the most debonair person looks trashy with a stick of burning, stinky weeds stuck between their lips. Parents who smoke are making their children the "smelly kids" in school. Pregnant women who smoke in this day and age are just idiotic and selfish.
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#57
Nov 2, 2006
 
It's actually more like 0.01%. It's a risk, but it's a REALLY small risk. Keep that in mind.
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Nov 2, 2006
 
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And you can do everything right and have an unhealthy baby..........using THAT logic, why bother having them at all? Right?
And if your afraid of every little thing you shouldn't have kids either.
Your judgements work both ways.
I understand what meee is saying. Yes, anything can happen to a child without doing anything. You don't have control over that, but you do have control over what you do purposely. To purposely take a chance and keep smoking while pregnant is not smart. It's not healthy to smoke anyway, that's no secret. If you know it's unhealthy for you, why would you expose an innocent child to it?
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Nov 2, 2006
 
New Face. You are 100% correct. You've hit the nail on the head; it's not smart, but the day they start trying to legislate smartness is the day we really are all doomed.
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Nov 2, 2006
 
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New Face. You are 100% correct. You've hit the nail on the head; it's not smart, but the day they start trying to legislate smartness is the day we really are all doomed.
I believe it's still worth a try. I'll never give up hope. If even one child is saved, that's a great feat within itself.
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I believe it's still worth a try. I'll never give up hope. If even one child is saved, that's a great feat within itself.
Can you find 1 case where the child has died of second hand smoke? Not ancidotal press releases. If so please link.
O and you could give to UNICEF. That is helping more than 1 child and not being judgemental.
Win win
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It sounds like you are just justifying yourself. Even if there is less than a 1% chance something might happen...why would you risk your child's health? Is smoking really THAT important to you???
I'm almost 54 years old. I've had a complete hysterectomy. There is no chance of my pregnant (thank God) and my son is a grown young man of 26 now. So your question is irrelevant to me. But if you want an answer, I honestly can't answer that because to be honest, I've been smoking since I was 15 years old, I don't know if I could quit....and if that makes me selfish, so be it. If I can still look myself in the mirror, then it can't be that bad.

By the way, for as long as I've been smoking, my teeth are not discolored, nor are my fingers or skin. You see, I brush and floss, I also exfoliate regularly, and basically have good personal hygiene. This picture you all paint of discolored smokers is ridiculous, very very few are that bad.
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