Dublin says secondhand smoke is a public nuisance

Gordon wrote:

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Ok, first of all, when I said the 'Irish' I was referring to the Irish government who is creating the law, who, traditionally incoroporate an unneccessary amount of emotion in their policies. Learn to use your brain, it's not your enemy.
If I wanted to sound bigoted, I would've gladly wrote 'those drunken Mick bastards created another stupid law, they were probably all liquored up when they did it too'.
As for my other remark. It's hardly slamming Americans, moreover slamming a certain KIND of American who thinks the solution to every argument is looking BEYOND rationalism and screaming 'racism' at every moving thing. I'm sure even 3rd generation British descendants down there are now throwing the when something doesn't go their way, like you get stuck in traffic or the Burger King is out of bacon.

Well what is so wonderful about Canadians??? Canada is known for Hockey, one of the mose violent games in all of professional sports. Seems like you have this type of mentality. You are pathetic.

You people sure are a bunch of idiots. How did a thread on second hand smoke is a public nuisance for the CITY OF DUBLIN in CALIFORNIA turn into racism, bigot, free speech, IRELAND and petty moronic delusions of comparing second hand smoke to "cooking smells" and "noise"?? Adios morons.

Karen wrote:

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I have certainly see you up in arms about the names people are calling people who smoke, you didn't like it either. Isn't that Free Speech as well??? I know your are from America. Are you also from Ireland??? What have the Irish done to hurt your feelings??? Where does your family get it's roots from??? Would you like for someone to call you names, simply because you are for that group???

Karen, relax and go back to the remark that set you off in the first place. Better yet, let me save you the trouble of scrolling up, the actual remark was: "Count on the Irish to create a totally idiotic law, based on emotion and sensationalism..." The writer did NOT call the irish any names at all.......he called the law idiotic, not the irish. My mother is born and bred British (Scotland and England), she's not positive but thinks her great grandmother was Irish. So there may be Irish blood in me. It's obvious though that you are Irish and took offense to that remark. And so what if he/she did call you or me a name..........as far as I'm concerned that would just show him/her to be rude and ignorant and that is their problem not mine. You need to learn to not be so overly sensitive.

And yes, I have gotten up in arms, but not at the first name calling either. I've been verbally attacked on the street when smoking in a designated smoking area, I've quietly watched forums like this consistently have posters calling smoker all kinds of vile things AND wishing harm to us too. After enough of that, yes, I am going to say something, because I'm not going to just sit back and take it, BUT what I haven't done is resort to name calling in return for I wouldn't lower myself to that level. I don't call them names in return, but do point out how uncalled for, and childish, it is. Yet, they still have the right to say what they want.

I'm American, period. AND as an American, I can say, with all honesty, that the hysteria being created around smoking and SHS by all these so-called health advocates is not only idiotic and stupid, but also dangerous as to where it will eventually lead, for it won't stop with smoking. I personally think the Surgeon General, along with the president and most of our elected officials, are liars (and I'd have no problem calling them that to their faces either). Thanks to them, and all the contradictory "reports" from so-called scientists and doctors, I also no longer trust the medical profession. Pharmaceutical companies are nothing but legalized drug pushers in my book too. These are my personal feelings, and in this country I am still free to express them.

Lynda wrote:

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Right now America, and Americans don't exactly have the best image out there, mostly thanks to that president some put in the white house. As a natural born American, I am FREE to say that. AND he's right, the first thing out of everyone's mouth these days, here in America, is either racism or sue. Not an image I find appealing in the least. We've turned into a country of people who don't want to accept self-responsibility, but always look to blame someone else.

But yet every Country turns to us when they need our help. Maybe we shouldn't get involved problems of other Countries, all they do is turn around and dump on us.

DONT insult the irish, theyre not to blame for what is happening here anyway, you dont blame every American for what that ass George Bush does. And it's no ones right to tell smokers when and where they can smoke, its there human right, and if you try to force them to stop then your just a facist, not everything in life can work how you want it to, find something better to do with your pathetic life

First off, the irish were almost wiped out by a potato famine, enough said. Secondly, exhaust pipes from vehicles put out far more dangerous chemicals in more quantity then any smoker could ever.

I have the solution....raise tobacco taxes to $50.00 per pack.

Willy wrote:

First off, the irish were almost wiped out by a potato famine, enough said. Secondly, exhaust pipes from vehicles put out far more dangerous chemicals in more quantity then any smoker could ever.

This report is about Dublin, in California, not Ireland. By the way, please explain your comment; about The Irish almost being wiped out by the potato famine??? It's harsh do think of any group of people being wiped out, for any reason.

The Carver wrote:

You people sure are a bunch of idiots. How did a thread on second hand smoke is a public nuisance for the CITY OF DUBLIN in CALIFORNIA turn into racism, bigot, free speech, IRELAND and petty moronic delusions of comparing second hand smoke to "cooking smells" and "noise"?? Adios morons.

I never knew there was a Dublin in California. I'm sure most people would think of Dublin in Ireland. The headline says nothing about which Dublin they are speaking about, maybe the writer should have clarified this a little better.

Have people lost what little common sense they have left with allowing this law???
I am an ex-smoker who thinks our freedoms are being taken away when someone cannot even sit in their backyard without someone whining about the cigarette smoke.
I fear that when we start eroding our freedoms one by one, we will end up with nothing.
I was on I-80 last week and had to drive for miles behind a gross polluting vehicle...I know that was far worse than whatever smoke my drift my way from my neighbor.
I did try contacting CHP for help in stopping that vehicle but by the time I went through all the different departments, the vehicle exited the freeway.
So, people, lighten up and quit taking your neighbors freedoms away, someday it will be something you enjoy and who will stand for you?

Smoking laws or bans do not matter when the law does not enforce laws. It is hard enough to get local law enforcement to stop the pot smokers and fake-fraud "Medical Cannabis ID Cards" that *drug* dealers handout. According to a recent interview I conducted with a Contra Costa County Sheriff, once a Medical Cannabis card is shown to an officer they are not allowed to question the subject further on pot related crimes or the validity of the card itself.

The drug dealing problem in the bay area is similar in the public health care crises of tobacco smoke, both are killing users and innocent bystanders. The fact that California refuses again and again to follow federal laws in regards to drug laws and encourages its police officers to practice very selective enforcement of laws, makes it hard for people moving into any area in CA to find a standard for peaceful law enforcement. In some cases it appears that local governments and selected drug dealers are in business together -- this is nothing more than state sponsored terrorism in the end against the public.

Much like the USA's drug problems, smokers are a cancer in the land spreading this deadly disease without consent. They have a habit that habitually kills others around them and are nothing more than soft serial killers that kill with total disregard to others. We live in a free society where the choice to breath free air should be everyones, not just those born into non-smoking homes or apartment buildings. Smoking is not a right it causes the suffering of others all around it.

It smoking is worse than a serial killer in the destruction of society it has caused.

The Carver wrote:

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And that's what's wrong with this country and people these days, isn't it?

No

The Carver wrote:

<quoted text>We're talking about second hand smoke (something that is proven to be bad for your health), not noise or smells from food. Go ahead and become the neighbor from hell. All that other stuff you mentioned is having respect for others. It's plainly obvious that society today does not.

You think there is a difference between a 'smell' coming from a grill and 'smoke' coming from a cigarette just because there are no frenzies of studies putting rabbits in a cage with smoking grills. This way-too 'anti' anti-smoking trend is just whining and projecting.

Pete Grecco wrote:

I have the solution....raise tobacco taxes to $50.00 per pack.

Heres an idea, take the middle fingers on both your hands. Stick one in your mouth and one in your ass and rotate them every 5 minutes.

most smokers are rude.. you think if they seen a person on oxygen or a ventilator coming they would put out their cigarette maybe move far away from the front door of a store,parking gargage or where ever it may be.. you cant even enjoy a nice day and roll your window in a parking lot without a smoker lighting up and standing there smoking and dont care if there are people downwind from them.. if you want to kill yourself smoking go ahead but dont make everybody die with you.. have some respect for others.. your smoke doesnt leave the area you are smoking in instantly when you walk away your smoke doesnt you are so use to your cigarette smoke you dont smell how bad the smoke and you stink..you might not feel sick smoking but it effects others more than you think.. and bqq's with lighter fluid are just as bad.. im not saying bbq's arent good and fun but nobody has to have lighter fluid to have a bbq..get a weber rapidfire chimney starter from home depot you will have hot coals in under 30 minutes without using lighter fluid..

Most non smokers are rude, as proof from poster #13. A person onoxygen or a ventilator Has a personal obligation to watch out for their own health and to stay away from somers and other toxins that would make them more ill. Why would you park your car next to where people smoke if you dont like it? I suggest you educate yourself. SHS or smoking has never "Killed" anyone to date.
prove it if you can. I also suggest you talk with your neighbors about your BBQ problems. And a profesional for the other problems you have. too many people think the world revolves around them and their wants are more important then the wants of others.

how are they going to avoid cigarette smoke coming out of a store if the smokers are standing right infront of the door? just becaue a person uses a ventilator doesnt mean they are ill they may just have weak muscles and a ventilatotr helps to give some pressure support so they get the right amount of air but your statement may be true if the persons lungs dont work on their own and would die without the machine or maybe oxygen users.. smoking does kill people its what helps get lung cancer and other lung problems started search google or any other search engine...about parking im talking about when a person is parked and was sitting there long before the smoker decides to walk up and light up and stand there not caring who may be around.. what happen to people smoking in their cars on the way to where they are going? the bbq thing was just a suggestion for all i dont have to deal with bbq's where i live.. the world should not revolve around somebody that would be lame.. smokers and nonsmokers need respect each other if the smoker was standing there first in a parking lot or where ever other than infront of a doorway then a nonsmoker cant say a thing and a smoker should respect a nonsmoker in the same way..whoever was there first should be respected the world shouldnt revolve around nobody...

yeah people need to stop all the name calling.. there are alot of nonsmokers and smoker being rude.. what has #13 and the other guy been smoking? do they know it is about dublin,ca not ireland?

It takes about 2 maybe 5 seconds (if you walk slow) to walk by someone standing by a doorway smoking, you mean to say your complaining about a smell you dont like you may have to "suffer" through for only a few seconds? Isn't that a bit overly dramatic? And again,Smoking/SHS does not "KILL" anyone. It can (as in it's possible) to get cancer from smoking but with all the toxins you breath in everyday with everybreath you take that are more dangerous to your health then someone smoking or the SHS your so afraid of is the least of your worries. No one knows where or how people get cancer or other health issues. They do know it's also hereditary. So if ones family line has cancer or other types of health issues in their family line chances are they will suffer from it aswell. smoking or not.(you are welcome to research it if you like) I do agree with you smokers and non smokers alike should have respect for each other.

Gordon wrote:

Count on the Irish to create a totally idiotic law, based on emotion and sensationalism...

How many Irish do they have in Dublin,****CALIFORNIA****?

im a smoker yet i'm curtious to those around me, i wouldn't be walking in front or back of someone blowing smoke out so they can smell it.. mostly do it in my car or on my porch in the comfort of my own home. i think there should be designated areas for people to smoke (which there is right now) but i believe smokes should use these facilities that are being built for them & if they are caught not smoking in these designated areas then yea go ahead take them to court. but if they are in designated areas or in their own homes & you happen to pass by and you get smoke in your face, that's on you. otherwise leave me the hell alone!