Chiropractors for kids?

"Parents should bring their kids regardless if there's something wrong or not," said Natasha Smith, who is a chiropractor.

Natasha Smith says manipulating a child's spine or giving "adjustments" can help with more than just back problems. She believes it can cure chronic ear infections, allergies, colds, even bed wetting and problems with sleep."

Another quacker making outrageous claims.
The chiropractic diaper needs to be emptied.

Hey all you quackers out there. Tell me again, how all that I expose about chiropractic are the "exceptions". That there are only a few chiropractors out there who make these bizarre claims. He He Right, just a few. Like 95% of them.

Now empty it.

No one listes to you anyway wisdump as you have proven yourself as a liar that cannot be relied on for quailty scientific based info.

You claim Chiropractic manipulation and treatment cannot help with these things? Please show us any evidence to support your claims.

You mean to tell me that a Chiropractor providing nutritional care to patients cannot help with these problems? Wisdump you are a true chirotalking scam artist just like you phoney buddies

Hey life idiot, this quacker was not referring to "nutritional" advice when claiming what chiropractic can do for bedwetting and the other illnesses.

By the way, what is the chiropractic "nutritional" advice for bedwetting again?

Don't drink so much before you go to bed?

Ha Ha

Now empty it.

From a Acupuncturist point of view you need to strengthen the kidneys and in particular kidney Qi

From a Chiropractors point of view you need to remove the subluxation in the lumbar area.

Why don't you tell us what a MD would do or how about a Naturopathic Physician. But you are too stupid to provide us any answers so we will not hold our breath

Hey Wisdump

Bring some scientific evidence to support your posts, if you cannot then you are just another chirotalking quackter. Does Allen change your diaper or does your mommy "Presto"?

Until you bring hard evidence to support your claims we will have no choice but to ingore your posts. Until then go give Freely a massage but make sure you ask Allen first.

Now empty your chirotalking smelly diaper

Also every profession is has quacks, no profession is without them. But your profession of idiot chirotalkers are filled with quack cults.

BRING EVIDENCE wisdump EVIDENCE

Now go play with your buddies

Who siad anything about cures, it looks like your telling another made up fairy tale from chirotalkers. Now you look pretty stupid but after all you are pretty dumb

Hello everyone

I was reading a post on another anti chiro site from last year. What struck me as weird is one of the posts sure sounded like wisdom. The good news is he left his name. I have posted what I read below for everyone to see.

Here it is

Sherril wrote "So, my question is, knowing what we know about cervical chiropractic adjustment, why oh why is this guy allowed to do this to people ..."

The first consideration is that chiro is not really regulated, and they are free to make stuff up. As long as their licensing board (the inmates in charge of the asylum) says they are practicing within their standards of practice, they are immune to criminal sanctions. That is the fault of our legislators.

This guy is probably a NUCCA nut who thinks everything revolves around the Atlas vertebra (in the neck). The Logan technique says everything depends on the other end (and they skirt sexual assault claims). They are protected by legislation and board certification.

You may like to see
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...
and see what else they have to say about chiro.

Also www,chirobase.org

PalMD has written about this here and at his archived site, you can search them as well.

Posted by: Joe | July 13, 2008 7:48 PM

It looks like wisdom is really Joe

Come on wisdom you know your not a real chiropractic expert, small world and it looks like you have been caught for the fake you really are.

Wisdom or should I say Joe knows nothing about Chiropractic Colleg in fact he keeps posting lie after lie

Hey Joe come clean buddy

I am loving Life Chiropractic

Oh Yeah the truth hurts for wisdome or should we call you Joe

Here you go Widump.
Once again you have been proven to be a moron. Here are just a few on bed wetting.
Chiropractic management of primary nocturnal enuresis. Reed WR, Beavers S, Reddy SK, Kern G. J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1994 (Nov-Dec);17 (9): 596-600
This was a controlled clinical trial of 46 enuretic children that were placed under chiropractic care. The children were under care for a 10 week period preceded by and followed by a 2 week nontreatment period.
Participants: Forty-six nocturnal enuretic children (31 treatment and 15 control group), from a group of 57 children initially included in the study, participated in the trial.
Results:...25% of the treatment-group children had 50% or more reduction in the wet night frequency from baseline to post-treatment while none among the control group had such reduction.

Nocturnal enuresis: treatment implication for the chiropractor. Kreitz, B.G. Aker, P.D., J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1994 (Sep);17 (7): 465-473A comprehensive review of the literature concerning the etiology, diagnosis, and the natural history of primary nocturnal enuresis is presented. Contemporary treatment options are discussed in light of the documented annual remission rate of this disorder.
The author states: "Spinal manipulative therapy has been shown to possess an efficacy comparable to the natural history."

Functional nocturnal enuresis. Blomerth PR
J Manipulative Physiol Ther 1994; 17:335-8
To discuss a patient with primary nocturnal enuresis whose symptoms resolved following manipulation.
CLINICAL FEATURES: An 8-yr-old boy with a history of primary functional nocturnal enuresis was under care at this office. The patient's clinical examination was benign. He had several areas of lumbar segmental dysfunction. The patient's medical history was unremarkable except for childhood asthma.
INTERVENTION AND OUTCOME: The patient's lumbar spine was manipulated once, and at a 1 month follow-up there was complete resolution of enuresis. The patient had several recurrences of bed-wetting, all of which were associated with minor injury to the lower back. The patient responded positively to subsequent manipulation.
CONCLUSION: This patient's enuresis resolved with the use of manipulation. This happened in a manner that could not be attributed to time or placebo effect.

Chiropractic care of children with nocturnal enuresis: a prospective outcome study. LeBouf C, Brown P, Herman A et al. J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1991 (Feb);14 (2): 110-115
Children with a history of persistent bed-wetting at night received eight chiropractic adjustments. Number of wet nights fell from 7/week to 4. At the end of the study, 25% of the children were classified as successes.
Functional nocturnal enuresis. Blomerth PR. J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1994 (Jun);17 (5): 335-338
Eight-year-old male bed wetter. Lumbar spine was manipulated once and at 1 month follow-up there was complete resolution of enuresis. "This happened in a manner that could not be attributed to time or placebo effect.
"Neurogenic bladder and spina bifida occulta: a case report Borregard PE. J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1987 (Jun);10 (3): 122-123
Examination found fixation in L3 and both SI joints, following the restoration of SI function the patient's mother reported the patient was now aware of bladder distention approximately 30 minutes before it was necessary to void. A slight of bladder sensitivity occurred 4 months after the release from treatment and responded immediately to manipulation.
Chiropractic management of enuresis: time series descriptive design. Gemmell HA, Jacobson, BH J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1989 (Oct);12 (5): 386-389
Case of a 14-year-old male with a long history of continuous bed-wetting that was alleviated (not completely cured) by adjustments.
Characteristics of 217 children attending a chiropractic college teaching clinic. Nyiendo J. Olsen E. J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1988 (Apr);11 (2): 78-84
The authors found that pediatric patients at Western States Chiropractic College public clinic commonly had ordinary complaints of ear-infection, sinus problems, allergy, bedwetting, respiratory problems, and gastro-intestinal problems. Complete or substantial improvement had been noted in 61.6% of pediatric patients of their chief complaint, 60.6% received "maximum" level of improvement while only 56.7% of adult patients received "maximum" level of improvement.

Peer Reviewed Publications:

Chiropractic management of primary nocturnal enuresis. Reed WR, Beavers S, Reddy SK, Kern G. J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1994 (Nov-Dec);17 (9): 596-600

This was a controlled clinical trial of 46 enuretic children that were placed under chiropractic care. The children were under care for a 10 week period preceded by and followed by a 2 week nontreatment period.

Participants: Forty-six nocturnal enuretic children (31 treatment and 15 control group), from a group of 57 children initially included in the study, participated in the trial.
Results:...25% of the treatment-group children had 50% or more reduction in the wet night frequency from baseline to post-treatment while none among the control group had such reduction.
Nocturnal enuresis: treatment implication for the chiropractor. Kreitz, B.G. Aker, P.D., J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1994 (Sep);17 (7): 465-473A comprehensive review of the literature concerning the etiology, diagnosis, and the natural history of primary nocturnal enuresis is presented. Contemporary treatment options are discussed in light of the documented annual remission rate of this disorder.
The author states: "Spinal manipulative therapy has been shown to possess an efficacy comparable to the natural history."

Functional nocturnal enuresis. Blomerth PR
J Manipulative Physiol Ther 1994; 17:335-8

To discuss a patient with primary nocturnal enuresis whose symptoms resolved following manipulation.
CLINICAL FEATURES: An 8-yr-old boy with a history of primary functional nocturnal enuresis was under care at this office. The patient's clinical examination was benign. He had several areas of lumbar segmental dysfunction. The patient's medical history was unremarkable except for childhood asthma.
INTERVENTION AND OUTCOME: The patient's lumbar spine was manipulated once, and at a 1 month follow-up there was complete resolution of enuresis. The patient had several recurrences of bed-wetting, all of which were associated with minor injury to the lower back. The patient responded positively to subsequent manipulation.
CONCLUSION: This patient's enuresis resolved with the use of manipulation. This happened in a manner that could not be attributed to time or placebo effect.

Chiropractic care of children with nocturnal enuresis: a prospective outcome study. LeBouf C, Brown P, Herman A et al. J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1991 (Feb);14 (2): 110-115

Children with a history of persistent bed-wetting at night received eight chiropractic adjustments. Number of wet nights fell from 7/week to 4. At the end of the study, 25% of the children were classified as successes.
Functional nocturnal enuresis. Blomerth PR. J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1994 (Jun);17 (5): 335-338

Eight-year-old male bed wetter. Lumbar spine was manipulated once and at 1 month follow-up there was complete resolution of enuresis. "This happened in a manner that could not be attributed to time or placebo effect.

I put the studies in twice just incase you missed the "proof" the first time.

Never once did any of the studies claim that chiropractic "cured". It is a treatment, and just like every medical treatment of nocturnal enuresis. No medication can "cure" it either.
Once again you have been owned by us chiropractors. MORON!

Hey Wisdom, I mean John Badanes, DC, DPharm aka TEO (The Evil One) How the hell are ya!

So now we see who this joke really is. Sounds just like him. So that is why you never have anything to say about big pharma and the bad research that goes with it. What a fool.

Perhaps I am wrong, this sounds more like that mutt Paul Lee,PT or perhaps whats left of Botnick. No matter.

Hey guys man are we having some fun with joe wisdump! This guy is the def of a cult nut job. He keeps saying the same brainwashed lines over and over and over again.

Teo got booted from chirotalk because even those cultists thought he was a nut job. Can you imagine a bunch of nuts who finally realize their is an even bigger nut among them.

Most of these people failed in practice and could not live up to the responsibility of being a physician and now they are trying to make money selling some crazy nutty made up BS. But no one wants to listen to them.

Hey look at it this way. At least these freaks are not physicians

TEO was so much the cultist that when I read his first response to me and later a private E-mail, I thought he was going to show up at my house to do violence. Scary.

He failed at chiropractic and now deals drugs, hopefully without making any of the thousands of pharmaceutical mistakes that occur every year.

Wisdump - "Still nothing to say about the jmpt "study?"

You haven't read it, so why should we comment on it to YOU?

Pretty scary that a violent crazy nut would be working as a Pharmacist. Of course this nut job is going to make mistakes, after all he could not make it as a Chiropractic physician.

I do not enjoy chirotalk, all they do is bash Chiropractors. They make fun of them they spread lies about them. All for what? How can you support people that try to destroy other peoples lives?

All of this just makes me a stronger chiropractic supporter.

Moron writes: "Still nothing to say about the jmpt "study?"

This is a peer reviewed journal. If you are calling the journals integrity low then you are calling their peer review board unethical. Here is a list of the current board and I want to point out how many PHDs and MDs are reviewers.

Paul B. Bishop, DC, MD, PhD, Vancouver, BC, Canada
Jennifer E. Bolton PhD, Bournemouth, UK
Geoffrey Bove DC, PhD, Boston, MA
Alan C. Breen DC, PhD, Bournemouth, UK
J. David Cassidy DC, PhD, Dr Med Sc, Edmonton, AB, Canada
James M. Cox DC, Fort Wayne, IN
Jeffrey R. Cram PhD, Nevada City, CA
Pierre Côté DC, PhD, Toronto, ON, Canada
Vaclav Dvorak MD, Bonaduz, Switzerland
L. G. F. Giles DC, PhD, Queensland, Australia
Christine Goertz DC, PhD, Bethesda, MD
Mitchell Haas DC, Portland, OR
Scott Haldeman, DC, MD, PhD, Santa Ana, CA
Daniel Hansen DC, Spokane, WA
Cheryl Hawk DC, PhD, Kansas City, MO
Walter Herzog PhD, Calgary, AB, Canada
Eric L. Hurwitz DC, PhD, Los Angeles, CA
Jennifer R. Jamison, MBBCh, PhD, EdD, Queensland, Australia
Greg Kawchuk DC, PhD, Calgary, AB, Canada
Partap Singh Khalsa DC, PhD, Stony Brook, NY
Jennifer Langworthy MPhil, Bournemouth, UK
Charlotte Leboeuf-Yde, DC, MPH, PhD, Odense, Denmark
Karel Lewit, MUDr, Doc, DSc, Prague, Czech Republic
Christopher Maher PhD, Lidcombe, Australia
Marion McGregor-Triano DC, Richardson, TX
William C. Meeker DC, MPH, Davenport, IA
Robert Mootz DC, Olympia, WA
Craig F. Nelson MS, DC, Minneapolis, MN
Niels Grunnet- Nilsson, DC, MD, PhD, Odense, Denmark
Joanne Nyiendo PhD, Portland, OR
David H. Peterson DC, Portland, OR
Reed B. Phillips DC, PhD, Whittier, CA
Anthony L. Rosner PhD, Arlington, VA
Sidney M. Rubinstein DC, PhD, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Akio Sato MD, PhD, Tokyo, Japan
Charles Sawyer DC, Bloomington, MN
Gary Schultz DC, Whittier, CA
Robert C. Shiel PhD, Lombard, IL
Kevin P. Singer PT, PhD, Perth, Western Australia
Heidi Haavik Taylor BSc Chiro, PhD, Auckland, New Zealand
John J. Triano DC, PhD, Plano, TX
Howard T. Vernon DC, PhD, Toronto, ON, Canada
Terry R. Yochum DC, Denver, CO

You show us everytime you open your mouth just how stupid you are. You have been owned gump!

"a claim by one single chiropractor should not be included in a "research" journal?"

Have you ever read a research journal before? Its called a case study moron. One or two of those in every single issue of every single medical journal. Owned, Owned, Owned!